Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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didnt start this thread thinking that WoO was monitoring this and gonna look, this is for what us fans would like to see.

I know of at least one head that is completely legal...when Wayne Johnson won the Fall Brawl, I-80 pulled the heads and sent them in to Brodix where they were certified legal and then Wayne got his $50,000.

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You can put any rule package in place and any format in place and the same guys are coming to the front.

I 2nd this motion. Don't change anything, if people are complaining about this rules package they will complain about another rules package. The only rule changes I am for is any rule that would save owners/promoters money while benefiting fans and anything to improve safety. Format changes do nothing. All that will end up happening is you will have another group of people complaining about that rule's package. I am against pill draws completely. I understand that qualifying can be boring but it serves a purpose. You can talk about however many positions to invert and it will not change the fact that Schatz will figure out a way to win.

I think the days of the invert making any sense are gone, I would keep time trials and line the heats up straight up based on time. I would then line up the feature (or dash line up) by heat finish. At least that would make the fast timers earn their way into dash by making them win the heat, and would give you a chance to make up a bad time trial run by running well in the heat and passing cars. There are some cons to this, obviously the fast cars starting up front theory, but would make the heats truly mean everything and would make time trials less important. This would also take the B main cars and put them 21-24.

The B transfer cars start at the tail of the A main.

The A, B, C and D mains lined up by heat race finish.  Will help offset a poor qualfying draw/time.  Will also ensure every postion counts, racing through out the field.

For big shows, break into twin B mains and twin C mains, its impossible to transefer from the D, C, B and then A main.

Need more laps for A main, would love to see more 40 and 50 lap races.

OK I cant resist, what are you trying to say here? They had a fast enough engine to time 3rd but they yanked that motor to put in a faster one that would win the feature? or They used an Illegal engine to qualify 3rd and put a legal one to win the feature? am I missing somthing? What are you wondering about? 

Ahhh, the only thing that makes perfect sense that Ive read in this thread, Thanks Floyd.  Bottom line is, these rule changes you guys a suggesting are great until your driver is the one who gets screwed by the rule change.

There   are some good ideas here  --- THE  WRG  OR  WoO  ARE  NOT GOING  TO MAKE  ANY CHANGES  AS  LONG AS  FANS   GO AND THINK  THERE  BRAND OF  RACING  IS GREAT  ,which most  fans who support   the WoO , THINK THE RACING  IS  GOOD . They  should  free  up cars ,  but they  won't , cause  the   tracks  are packed .
The  WRG  acts  like they  don't  care about fans  , only that   you support  there  racing . Never  get  replies ? have any of  you ?

1 engine a night will wipe out the middle class of sprintcars. So, if you are a team with two engines and you have a small problem in qualifying you are encouraged to run that engine into the ground and destroy it, instead of a quick engine change and fixing what could be a minor problem the next day?? I don't think alot of ideas on here are very thought through! 

O I was realy confused with the engine change thing but I realy don't understand this.

The tracks are packed but we should change to something that we are not sure they would like.

I thought full stands was what they wanted

dummy me

If I didn't read this thing I wouldn't know anything

I love how threads get jacked by people that dont understand the point of this thread.

I dig a lot the way some races are run in Australia. When Geoff was back there last year, I paid close attention and still couldn't figure it out, but from what I saw, it was two heat races with the second heat inverted. However, the inside row stays in the original spot and somehow the outside row goes to another heat. 4 original heats = 8 heats total. Passing points obviously. At the end either the top 6 in points do a pole shuffle ala Front Row Challenge or they then qualify, starting straight up from qualifying. It was different (to me at least) and made sense because you always wanted to go fast and the fastest guy earned the pole from hauling ass all night long. -  Ron

No Wings

"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell

 
 
 
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I'd like to see time trial laps scrapped after lining up the heats.  I don't lIke the idea that a guy can have a problem in qualifying, drive by 5 cars in the heat, miss the transfer by 1 and then have to start at the back of the C.  This would also benefit guys who draw poorly for time trials.  

yes , we want full   stands   but better  racing , can you understand  that now ?  but  as  the other   reply  said  it  won't change   because  everyone  likes   WoO  brand of  racing  . and yes   cut   tire size  and wing size but  again so many like  it this way

Lets say you have 30 cars

2 lap tt plus 3 10 Lap heats = 360 laps on the track after heats are done.

No tt, 2 - 10 lap heats per car = 600 laps on the track when heats are done

That leaves you with a lot of rubber down A mains or a lot of long intermissions to rework the track.

Not to mention more wear on the cars, double the chance of tearing up a car in a wreck, more money spent on tires & fuel. That means raise the purse ( higher ticket prices ) or drive more lower dollar teams out of the sport.

Explain how the WRG acts like they don't care about fans? Because they don't reply to your requests to change their format to your liking? I have never felt like the WRG owed me anything other than the seat I paid for to watch the race. Ive been to a few races and I have yet to see the perfect format that pleases everyone from the fans to the flag man, no matter how its done someone is not going to be happy.  I'm sure if enough fans drivers and owners complained they would change it up, and maybe they will, have to wait and see.  I  think you guys have some good ideas, just not convinced it will make the racing better. I mean if your a Schatz fan the racing was great in 2014, seriuosly some of the features this year were phenomenal and some we're awful, not sure any format or rule changes ( other than freeing up the cars) would have made the awful races better. Now if you guys think the racing was bad because the same guy won 26 times, your just jealous.

How about putting the whole country on the same tire package so that racers on a lower budget can go race with whatever series they like whenever they choose without having the burden of having to buy tires for just one night or one weekend to race with a specific series, then having the excess unused tires laying around til they rot away. 

ASCS, WoO, PA, Knoxville, King of the West, All Stars, etc.