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egras
November 17, 2013 at 10:48:07 AM
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Are die hard fans of their sports an asset to the growth of their sport or a detriment? 

I left a Chicago Blackhawks game thursday night that ended in a shootout.  Die hard fans were flooding the radio with calls about how shootouts cheapen the game and they wish it was like the old days when games just ended in a tie.  Reminded me of die hard sprint car fans.

      Here is the problem with that:  the first game I ever went to (years ago) ended in a shootout.  If the game had ended in a tie, I may have never gone back to another hockey game again.  To me, spending hundreds of dollars on an event, sitting through the entire game--you want some closure to the game.  The finish of the game was very exciting and transformed me into a big fan.  I go to a lot of games now and watch religiously on TV.

      Sprint car racing appears to have the same problems.  Some die hards will not let go of the 70's and 80's and hate any change that may pull in new blood to the sport and peak new interests.  Look at the longer races in some of the big events for instance?  I took a group of Nascar fans to the 2010 Knoxville Nationals.  Some of them had never even seen a sprint car in person before.  They are now hooked and absolutely loved the 50 lap feature with the pit stop and can't understand why anyone would want a 30 lap race.  They know the meaning of the word "sprint" but feel you get more bang for your buck with the longer feature.  They say "what is the big deal about the fuel stop?--why do sprint car fans hate the idea of putting gas into a car during a red flag?"  I have no answer for them other than "they just didn't do it before--and they don't like change"  

       Folks--wake up.  You are going to need new fans to drive any sport.  If they aren't interested in your sport the way it is now, you need to make changes to draw in some interest.  If that 2010 Nationals would have ended at 30 laps--and had not had the amazing drama at the finish that it had--would my group of guys have come back for the last 3 nationals?  Maybe, maybe not.  It worked out awesome that it was their first race. 

       Hockey is the same--for years people would not go see a hockey game.  "I'm not going to a game that could end in a tie"  Die hards hated the shootout--new fans said "what the hell took you so long to add a shootout?"

       To me, die hard fans that don't like any changes are dooming their sport.  Once you are all dead and gone, so will your sport be.  Open up your minds and enjoy new fans and new ideas.  You may not think it is the greatest idea ever, but it may just be enough to help sell some extra tickets and make new fans for life.

I have given you two examples as proof!




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sidewayz
November 17, 2013 at 11:54:57 AM
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do you know why they didnt do it before? Oh because they did run 50 lap races, alot more so then now. But now they run midget size tanks when before ever notice the huge tanks in the old days? nothing like a time out during a sprint race and lining the field back up like at a CORR race...

The only reason sprint car racing isnt popular is because only 3 percent of americans even know what a sprint car is... A detriment. lol haha think those are the ones who attend weekly.




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November 17, 2013 at 01:09:45 PM
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Hockey, not exactly the most popular sport in the country. Maybe they would draw bigger crowds if they did not need a shootout because the games were not tied at 1 - 1 at the end of 3 hours of play!

 

Nascars fans do not mind a fuel stop, wow, thats a big revalation! They probably would not mind if they put starters on sprint cars either.

 

Do your nascar friends go to sprint car races every weekend now or just the Nationals? We need weekly fans to support the sport, and thats what die hard fans do.

 

 

I like the 50 laps for the biggest race in the world, but like sidewayz said, they would not need the fuel stop if they ran the bigger tanks. The freinds I take all like watching the leaders race through lapped traffic and fuel stops eliminate that for a bunch of laps.



egras
November 17, 2013 at 01:38:32 PM
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Posted By: oswald on November 17 2013 at 01:09:45 PM

Hockey, not exactly the most popular sport in the country. Maybe they would draw bigger crowds if they did not need a shootout because the games were not tied at 1 - 1 at the end of 3 hours of play!

 

Nascars fans do not mind a fuel stop, wow, thats a big revalation! They probably would not mind if they put starters on sprint cars either.

 

Do your nascar friends go to sprint car races every weekend now or just the Nationals? We need weekly fans to support the sport, and thats what die hard fans do.

 

 

I like the 50 laps for the biggest race in the world, but like sidewayz said, they would not need the fuel stop if they ran the bigger tanks. The freinds I take all like watching the leaders race through lapped traffic and fuel stops eliminate that for a bunch of laps.




1.  Hockey has been making rule changes yearly to increase the scoring.  Why?  That's what todays fan and youth want.  The scoring has been down the last few years and they feel they need to help it out.  Has it worked yet as much as they have wished?  Time will tell.  The point is, they are making strides to attract more interest.  The shootout game I was at Thursday was 4-4 at the end of regulation.  Very, very exciting game. They are doing what they need to be doing to increase the viewership of their sport.  It is working as hockey is starting to gain in popularity again.  And most fans don't even care if they see a fight anymore--the games have been more exciting to watch without a fight. 

2.  Nascar fans don't mind a pit stop.  And now, those guys I brought to the track who WERE Nascar fans, are now sprint car fans.  4 or 5 more guys, spending their money at sprint car races and not Nascar races.  You seeing the pattern yet?  They haven't been back to a Nascar race since then and have attended the last three Nationals and a handful of other races nearby with me.  All because of the excitement generated by that 1st race they attended.   Can we attend weekly racing?  No.  Hours away from us--no local shows close by. 

3.  Your comment about the starters--that sums up my entire post about die hard fans being a detriment to the sport.  Would you really dislike watching those cars run around the track if you knew they could start without being pushed?  If the answer is yes, you are the problem.  Not saying I want them to put starters on the cars--but wouldn't be a deal breaker with me.  Do I like the fuel stop?  No.  Who likes a break in the action.  Am I going to bitch and complain about them putting in fuel?  No.   I want to see more laps of racing.  And, whatever they think they need to do to give me those laps--bigger fuel cell--fuel stop--I couldn't care less.  Do what you need to do to entertain me more--that's why I bought a ticket. 

Everything you said in your response was ignorant and is the example I was trying to make.  You obviously have this "us against the world" crap in your head and don't think you should have to share your sport with new fans.  I brought new fans to the sport of sprint car racing--10 or 12 in the last ten years.  They don't understand the absolute stubborn attitude the die hard sprint car fans have for changing their sport.  How many have you introduced?  Any?  Are you afraid they won't agree with every rule and unwritten rule you believe in?  

 



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I'm all for changes that make the sport better for the fans, old and new, like double-file restarts for example, but a "halftime" break doesn't do it for me. Try taking those same group of new fans to a regular show and explaining to them why there is no fuel stop!

What will draw NASCAR fans in to our racing are guys like Stewart and Larson.




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November 17, 2013 at 01:44:48 PM
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Put the silver crown tank on them and make them run 50 laps. Oh wait.... the tires won't last that long. 35 laps would be good for the Nationals with no stop. It just makes sence.



egras
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Hmmm--my point is made.  Never mind.  Please let the rest of this thread be about how many laps are acceptable to run in a sprint car race.  Forget the other mumbo jumbo about drawing interest from outside your little box.



oswald
November 17, 2013 at 03:46:07 PM
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I have not kept a count of how many new fans I have brought to sprint car racing, but it is way more than 10 or 12 in 10 years that you brag about. And they love the sport as is. 

 

Look at all the changes nascar has made to try to apeal to the stick & ball crowd (a chase to simulare playoffs) and look at all the empty seats at their races now.

 

I watched the Williams Grove show last weekend on CBS and can't see where any changes would have made that better. If new fans did not like that racing they are not going to like sprint car racing anyway

 

Calling me ignorant for posting an opinion (which is just what you did in your original post) in response to your question simply shows what kind of person you are. Looks like you have the "us against the world" crap in your head since any views different than yours you bash as ignorant.

 

It's always the ones like you who go to a few races a year that want to change everything and bash those of us who go to 40 or 50 races a year. I'm sure those 10-12 fans you made that attend a few races a year have saved a bunch of promoters from going out of business!




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Are die hard fans of their sports an asset to the growth of their sport or a detriment? 

I left a Chicago Blackhawks game thursday night that ended in a shootout.  Die hard fans were flooding the radio with calls about how shootouts cheapen the game and they wish it was like the old days when games just ended in a tie.  Reminded me of die hard sprint car fans.

      Here is the problem with that:  the first game I ever went to (years ago) ended in a shootout.  If the game had ended in a tie, I may have never gone back to another hockey game again.  To me, spending hundreds of dollars on an event, sitting through the entire game--you want some closure to the game.  The finish of the game was very exciting and transformed me into a big fan.  I go to a lot of games now and watch religiously on TV.

      Sprint car racing appears to have the same problems.  Some die hards will not let go of the 70's and 80's and hate any change that may pull in new blood to the sport and peak new interests.  Look at the longer races in some of the big events for instance?  I took a group of Nascar fans to the 2010 Knoxville Nationals.  Some of them had never even seen a sprint car in person before.  They are now hooked and absolutely loved the 50 lap feature with the pit stop and can't understand why anyone would want a 30 lap race.  They know the meaning of the word "sprint" but feel you get more bang for your buck with the longer feature.  They say "what is the big deal about the fuel stop?--why do sprint car fans hate the idea of putting gas into a car during a red flag?"  I have no answer for them other than "they just didn't do it before--and they don't like change"  

       Folks--wake up.  You are going to need new fans to drive any sport.  If they aren't interested in your sport the way it is now, you need to make changes to draw in some interest.  If that 2010 Nationals would have ended at 30 laps--and had not had the amazing drama at the finish that it had--would my group of guys have come back for the last 3 nationals?  Maybe, maybe not.  It worked out awesome that it was their first race. 

       Hockey is the same--for years people would not go see a hockey game.  "I'm not going to a game that could end in a tie"  Die hards hated the shootout--new fans said "what the hell took you so long to add a shootout?"

       To me, die hard fans that don't like any changes are dooming their sport.  Once you are all dead and gone, so will your sport be.  Open up your minds and enjoy new fans and new ideas.  You may not think it is the greatest idea ever, but it may just be enough to help sell some extra tickets and make new fans for life.

I have given you two examples as proof!



There was a club who tried these things with very little success. They are called Silver Crown, and although they are still around to a degree, the longer laps and such did not draw the fans. 

I wonder if your buddies would have liked the Nationals had they gone before the rules changes? For those who had never been to a Sprint Race it probably would have been exciting under the old format as well. The Nationals is a different animal and is exciting in and of itself, so if that is your first experience with Sprint Car Racing it can be impressive. 

I am not knocking your desire to see the sport grow or your ideas with regards to being open minded when it comes to new things, but some of the suggestions are also not feezible from a saftey standpoint. Yes, we need more fans and yes there needs to be some changes, but I personally have never been to a Sprint Car race that has had a pit stop that has really been all that exciting, and I have seen several of them that were not able to make it to the end without a fuel stop.

Sprint car racings problem is not one of format changes as much as it is one of professional image. Most tracks that we race at are not packing the house weekly with any form of car, stock cars, sprint cars, midgets, it just isn't happening. Those local short track programs are not packing the house, but when the big clubs come to town with their big ticket advertising and their larger than life drivers they do pack the house, regardless of the number of laps or whether or not they have starters.


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egras
November 17, 2013 at 06:39:44 PM
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I have not kept a count of how many new fans I have brought to sprint car racing, but it is way more than 10 or 12 in 10 years that you brag about. And they love the sport as is. 

 

Look at all the changes nascar has made to try to apeal to the stick & ball crowd (a chase to simulare playoffs) and look at all the empty seats at their races now.

 

I watched the Williams Grove show last weekend on CBS and can't see where any changes would have made that better. If new fans did not like that racing they are not going to like sprint car racing anyway

 

Calling me ignorant for posting an opinion (which is just what you did in your original post) in response to your question simply shows what kind of person you are. Looks like you have the "us against the world" crap in your head since any views different than yours you bash as ignorant.

 

It's always the ones like you who go to a few races a year that want to change everything and bash those of us who go to 40 or 50 races a year. I'm sure those 10-12 fans you made that attend a few races a year have saved a bunch of promoters from going out of business!




Your not ignorant for posting your opinion--your response was ignorant for not answering the question.  All you wanted to do was bash my post.  So, before going any farther, I will say this:   Sprint car racing does not ever need to change a thing for me to be happy and attend races.  That was not my point--I don't want to change a thing.  I am a sprint car fan and have been for a long time.  When I explained to these friends of mine why folks like yourself don't like the 50 lap race with a fuel stop, they thought that was just plain silly.  Would I still be going to sprint car races if the Nationals was still a 30 lap race.  Yes, I would.  No changes needed. However, changes aren't made for the hell of it.  Those that make these changes have the best interest of the sport of sprint car racing in mind and I think those of us who have followed it for a long time, should have a much more open minded approach to these changes. 

Nascar's changes?  They made them to improve their product.  They actually would have succeeded had it not been for the one thing they messed up.  The new cars (aimed at saving the owners money) suck!  (the last two cars)  But hey, at least they are trying.  They added double file restarts--didn't need to do this but they thought it would enhance the racing.  They kept tweeking the chase.  Why?  Not just to annoy sprint car fans.  They thought it would generate excitement.  And it would have if the cars could actually pull out and pass each other.

I think we got off on the wrong foot when you thought I was trying to say we should change everything.  Remember, I am a "die hard" fan also.  I am one that has an open mind.  So I ask again:  are die hard fans an asset or a detriment to the growth of their sports?   I believe they are mainly a detriment.   They are an asset for keeping things in a holding pattern but growth is not their main focal point.  Think about where all of the major sports in this country would be if they were just like the way they were when invented. 



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As you already stated, egras, "Die hard fans" are great to maintain the status quo, but we need new blood to ensure that the sport will be around long after we shuffle off this mortal coil.

If you don't change, you stagnate and eventually go away. If I had the answers, I'd probably be a rich consultant. But, there does need to be changes made! If you can't see that we are losing our sport slowly (and quickly in some places), you are part of the problem.


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Are die hard fans of their sports an asset to the growth of their sport or a detriment? 

I left a Chicago Blackhawks game thursday night that ended in a shootout.  Die hard fans were flooding the radio with calls about how shootouts cheapen the game and they wish it was like the old days when games just ended in a tie.  Reminded me of die hard sprint car fans.

      Here is the problem with that:  the first game I ever went to (years ago) ended in a shootout.  If the game had ended in a tie, I may have never gone back to another hockey game again.  To me, spending hundreds of dollars on an event, sitting through the entire game--you want some closure to the game.  The finish of the game was very exciting and transformed me into a big fan.  I go to a lot of games now and watch religiously on TV.

      Sprint car racing appears to have the same problems.  Some die hards will not let go of the 70's and 80's and hate any change that may pull in new blood to the sport and peak new interests.  Look at the longer races in some of the big events for instance?  I took a group of Nascar fans to the 2010 Knoxville Nationals.  Some of them had never even seen a sprint car in person before.  They are now hooked and absolutely loved the 50 lap feature with the pit stop and can't understand why anyone would want a 30 lap race.  They know the meaning of the word "sprint" but feel you get more bang for your buck with the longer feature.  They say "what is the big deal about the fuel stop?--why do sprint car fans hate the idea of putting gas into a car during a red flag?"  I have no answer for them other than "they just didn't do it before--and they don't like change"  

       Folks--wake up.  You are going to need new fans to drive any sport.  If they aren't interested in your sport the way it is now, you need to make changes to draw in some interest.  If that 2010 Nationals would have ended at 30 laps--and had not had the amazing drama at the finish that it had--would my group of guys have come back for the last 3 nationals?  Maybe, maybe not.  It worked out awesome that it was their first race. 

       Hockey is the same--for years people would not go see a hockey game.  "I'm not going to a game that could end in a tie"  Die hards hated the shootout--new fans said "what the hell took you so long to add a shootout?"

       To me, die hard fans that don't like any changes are dooming their sport.  Once you are all dead and gone, so will your sport be.  Open up your minds and enjoy new fans and new ideas.  You may not think it is the greatest idea ever, but it may just be enough to help sell some extra tickets and make new fans for life.

I have given you two examples as proof!



A die hard fan and being silly are two different things.  The Knoxville Nationals is a special race.  There is nothing wrong with 50 laps.  You have to be a little different than your normal Sat. night show.  They talk about  larger 30-33 gal feul tanks.  The 410 cars now burn about 1 gal per 1 lap at Knoxville.  This is alot more fuel used than say 20 years ago.  If you had a 33 gal tank and ran a 30 lap feature you have no idea how many laps you will actually run.  You have say 3 pace laps and 3 different yellow flags of 2-4 laps each.  Will you have enough feul to finish the race?  You do things at special races and Knoxville runs a 50 lap feature.  Knoxville had a vote by fans as to the 50 lap feature.  I think it was around 75% in favor.  You guys that do not go to the race quit bitching,  you would not go if is was 25 laps.  Ever hear of Little 500?  Sprint cars for 500 laps on a 1/4 mile track with 33 cars.  This has been run about twice as long yearly as most of you have been alive.  People bitch because they run stock cars at Indy.  In this day and age see if you can run just 1 race a years at a track and make enough money foe improvements.  I love the past,  those guys were rough and tuff.  AAA (usac) lost 7 drivers in 1 year but the others kept racing.  Try to adapt to today and be real fans, not a whiner.



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As a motorsports fan, im only really interested in a few series:

 

F1 as it is the premier series where money is being spent to improve cars. Drs is a travesty.

Sprint cars as they have relatively loose rules and the racing is the most entertaining you will see with 4 wheels. 

Motorcycles because 2 wheels is more exciting than 4 - roadracing, speedway, motoX, flat track, its all magnitudes more exciting to watch than most auto racing

 

Stuff im not interested in:

Nascar - boring as hell. Races too long. Pitstops shouldnt decide the winner. Why are the ones that are not in the chase even on the racetrack? Last place football teams dont continue into the playoffs. Provisional starting spots? Yuck! That makes me gag. If you cant make the show, you should put your car in the trailer and go home. Never mind the silly stock car bodies. Restrictor plates!??!  Are we talking 6 yr olds racing kids karts?

Indy cars -  a spec car series where drivers bring their sponsor money to race. Why should i watch? 

 

BTW - hockey is awesome!  Lots more fun to watch than football, which is just an excuse for the tv networks to show a crapload of commercials.



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Nascar changed thier  rules too many too often, I cant even force myself to watch 20 laps, Im not sure sprint racing is dieing?, we have what we have, new fans are always welcome, but to change the sport to accomidate new fans "mild intrest" is the real factor here.. if they dont like it they dont like it! thats fine.., im not about to cast a vote to put windshields and doors on sprintcars.. IMO Nascar got what they deserve, its watered down now, the racing sux, marketing females into the sport to see test thier fate,(where does the talent shine thro there?) pit brawls to keep from sleeping!, if  another " has been" or "never was" comitator steps on board to flap his lips about everything that doesnt matter,rehash and rehash over thier love for this guy or gal,  it all just sux.. I have begun to follow anything BUT Nascar,  i recently went to the 24hrs of Rolex, it was awsome, my first NHRA event in Vegas, way cool! multiple WoO shows almost religously, Knox Nats ect,  I went to Talledega years ago, i was so bored ,the drivers are totally disconnected from the crowd-fans, I dont mind a few changes here and there to hype up the intrest in sprint racing, but, to change a black cat to white isnt the answer either ..




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A die hard fan would say take the wings off, run 100 lap mains, and invert the field.  (Fortunately I have seen a 100 lap sprint car race, the oval nationals a few years back, had a pitstop at 50 laps, I primarily watch non-wing racing (but starting to watch more wing racing these days, and have seen some of the best racing with complety inverted fields (non -wing Billet Cup at Santa Maria, and of course the best race every year, Trophy Cup (wing and non-wing).  Also had the pleasure to watch Damion Gardner start dead last at a CRA race at Perris, and run thru the field with only a few cautions and whip the boys for a win.

 

Also have seen USAC mess up one of the best formats in sprint car racing with the CRA guys dropping fully inverted heats, and 8 car inverts for the main  to a horrible 6 car inverts for mains and heat races.

 

I've always heard about the good ole days when I first started going to Sprint Car races in the 70's at Ascot.  But I got to see the Dean and Bubby show, Thursday Night Thunder Shows, WOO when it first started (Kinser, Wolfgang, Swindell, Ferkel  WITHOUT WINGS )  at Ascot at the PCH with the local boys (Venard) whipping them on occasion,  Shuman/Leland McSpadden and finally  the Damion/Cory feud.

I know I didn't see the Golden age, but still I got to see alot great racing.  With that all said, racing as it is now, is pretty awesome.  Unfortunately, racing is really expensive, the fans are getting older and older and are not getting replaced by younger fans, and I wonder about the long term future of dirt track racing.  Hopefully, the youngsters will fall in love with what I have been going to since I was 6.  Unfortunately USAC had kinda sowered me on 410 non wing racing, and have now started going to more WOO and KWS series on the West.  Something special watching Myers, Rico, Larson, both Kaedings, Allard sling dirt at Tulare  Smile

Dirt track racing has always been good, enjoy the good times now as they will probably be looked upon favorable in the future

 



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I'm not seeing how die hard fans can be a detriment anymore than the casual fans or fans that come out to the tracks a couple times a year.  Promoters like everybody's money and just like in any other sport there are fans with various degrees of interest.  They're all part of that composite whole that makes up the crowd at any race. 

The die hard fans are likely the ones that if their circumstances ever permit are going to step up as sponsors and car owners.  They're good people to have around.  wink


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I'd just settle for improving the sport by better track prep and less p!ssing around!

40 laps is a good number - if your track is too big and requires more fuel - either have a fuel stop during a caution or fix the track size.


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I'm all for changes that make the sport better for the fans, old and new, like double-file restarts for example, but a "halftime" break doesn't do it for me. Try taking those same group of new fans to a regular show and explaining to them why there is no fuel stop!

What will draw NASCAR fans in to our racing are guys like Stewart and Larson.



You know what will draw the NASCAR fans?  The BULLSHIT 'Chase", that's what.  I was a huge NASCAR fan, attended the inaugural Brickyard, 4 more after that, went to Vegas for a race.  The chase began, and I haven't been back since.  I did not even watch the race yesterday, I watched the Aaron Rodgerless Packers lose their 3rd in a row.  I haven't seen that since 2008.  But Watch NASCAR, and the crap that goes on to just make the chase?  Not me.    They took that away from me.  I watch Hockey like EGRAS, am a huge Hawks fan, in fact, I am going to my first game in January, courtesy of my Daughter.  In between halves, I watched a recorded Indiana Sprint Car race, and the Williams Grove Outlaw show I had recorded.  I can go to local shows, and do.  Wilmot is a half an hour away.  Maybe not the Mecca of Mecca's, but they have the IRA periodically, and I enjoy that.  Just my 2 cents worth.  Go Hawks........



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I'm not seeing how die hard fans can be a detriment anymore than the casual fans or fans that come out to the tracks a couple times a year.  Promoters like everybody's money and just like in any other sport there are fans with various degrees of interest.  They're all part of that composite whole that makes up the crowd at any race. 

The die hard fans are likely the ones that if their circumstances ever permit are going to step up as sponsors and car owners.  They're good people to have around.  wink



The die hards i refer to are the ones who claim to be die hard but stop attending races because they are pissed off at a rule or format that is new or different.   They keep referring to the good 'ol days all of the time.   The main example would be the change at K-ville to the 50 lapper with the fuel stop.  I know people who stopped going to the race for that reason.  If you don't like it, then just voice your opinion--but for God's sake, support the racing that you love.   I'm the right kind of die hard--i support the changes because I know they are doing what they believe is best for the future of our sport.  And if it does not make a positive impact they will almost always try something different. 

 

And hey Maddog, have fun at the 'hawks game.  I have only been to 2 of them but I have attended dozens of their AHL club's games in Rockford.  (the Icehogs)   Have seen a lot of those guys come up thru the ranks.  Has been fun watching the young guys before they make it big and then see them scoring goals in the Stanley Cup Finals!   I have tickets to one more game in March--taking my 9 year old son to his first NHL game.   Hope to get more tickets before the season is over. 





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