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August 30, 2013 at
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Hello sprint car fans! I am curious to everyone's opinion on whether or not we need TV Coverage for Sprint Car Racing? I have been closely watching the ratings for Nascar on ESPN and they are absolutely horrible. Nascar is in for a rude awakening during the next round of negotiations. They're ratings are only about 1.5 points higher than what the live telecasts of the Knoxville Natitonals were.
Personally I thought the Outdoor Channel has the best coverage and if you can find a network that is willing to do what they did then I say by all means go for it. I have not seen MAVTV's coverage so I can not comment but I think TV is over rated. Sponsors want "ACTIVATION" they want to engage with the fans at the event. They want to see increased traffic on their site and social media along with sales. If you happen to be at an event where PLJ Promotions is doing sponsorship activation by all means we welcome your feedback. It is our intention to be at the Short Track Nationals as well as the World Finals with sponsorship activation.
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August 30, 2013 at
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NASCAR just signed a deal with FOX for 8.2 Billion over the next 10 years.... not exactly a rude awakening.
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+1 to what Pete just said. Ratings, according to you, are down but the advertising dollar is up so at least FOX is going out on the limb. The one we love to hate is smiling all the way to the bank and our form of racing continues to suck hind tit when it comes to broadcasting.
I am all in favor of tape delayed programs. "Live" sprint car racing does not make for good TV in my opinion.
The "call" recently has been for internet to cover sprint cars. It seems that this is where any "TV" for sprint car racing is headed.
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I think a weekly TV tape delay broadcast is great. Do it just like NBCSN is doing with the ASA series on Wednesday. Tape it on Saturday and show it on Wednesday or Thursday. Only need an half hour show of the racing and a half hour of reporting of the racing from other parts of the week and anywhere that runs 410 sprints, WoO, Allstars, KWS. And move around one week WoO next Allstars next KWS for the tape delay or use the video shot by someone that is highly known...
Yep it's sponcership and Money to run the wholething.
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Posted By: sc lm race fan on August 30 2013 at 11:23:03 AM
I think a weekly TV tape delay broadcast is great. Do it just like NBCSN is doing with the ASA series on Wednesday. Tape it on Saturday and show it on Wednesday or Thursday. Only need an half hour show of the racing and a half hour of reporting of the racing from other parts of the week and anywhere that runs 410 sprints, WoO, Allstars, KWS. And move around one week WoO next Allstars next KWS for the tape delay or use the video shot by someone that is highly known...
Yep it's sponcership and Money to run the wholething.
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I would rather see a 30 minute (don't want to get greedy and ask for an hour) show that just shows highlights from WoO, USAC, Knoxville, WG, All Stars, etc. Thats all I would ask for. Live sprint car racing sucks for the fans who are in attendance.
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August 30, 2013 at
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Posted By: opnwhlr on August 30 2013 at 10:55:25 AM
+1 to what Pete just said. Ratings, according to you, are down but the advertising dollar is up so at least FOX is going out on the limb. The one we love to hate is smiling all the way to the bank and our form of racing continues to suck hind tit when it comes to broadcasting.
I am all in favor of tape delayed programs. "Live" sprint car racing does not make for good TV in my opinion.
The "call" recently has been for internet to cover sprint cars. It seems that this is where any "TV" for sprint car racing is headed.
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Amen! Someone comes up with these ridiculous threads three or four times a year. Sprint car racing definetly sucks on TV. Cramming 20 minutes of live racing into a 2 hour show and then filling the rest of the time with driver interviews and commercials is pretty awful if you ask me. You can only watch Lasoski wink at the camera or hear Kinser say "uh" so many times! I'd just about rather watch reruns of Mork and Mindy...
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Posted By: PLJ on August 30 2013 at 09:54:32 AM
Hello sprint car fans! I am curious to everyone's opinion on whether or not we need TV Coverage for Sprint Car Racing? I have been closely watching the ratings for Nascar on ESPN and they are absolutely horrible. Nascar is in for a rude awakening during the next round of negotiations. They're ratings are only about 1.5 points higher than what the live telecasts of the Knoxville Natitonals were.
Personally I thought the Outdoor Channel has the best coverage and if you can find a network that is willing to do what they did then I say by all means go for it. I have not seen MAVTV's coverage so I can not comment but I think TV is over rated. Sponsors want "ACTIVATION" they want to engage with the fans at the event. They want to see increased traffic on their site and social media along with sales. If you happen to be at an event where PLJ Promotions is doing sponsorship activation by all means we welcome your feedback. It is our intention to be at the Short Track Nationals as well as the World Finals with sponsorship activation.
I truly want to know you the fans feedback as to whether you think TV is necessary for our sport to grow.
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I think sprint cars need TV to show people who have never seen it as to what it is all about. About 20 years ago TNN had a winter sprint car series from Arizona. I think NASCAR has just saturated the market. It is not the races, it is every program they have before and after the races. Today they had NASCAR cup cars practice time trial runs. Why do we need to see this, it is practice. The real NASCAR fans must not think much of it either as there was no one in grandstands.
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August 30, 2013 at
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Only way to show sprint car racing and make it watchable is to show the A-main. Maybe half hour to an hour, show highlights at the beginning, then the main, and finally interviews at the end. It would be hard to do though as you have to take into consideration track prep during the event and other factors. It would be nice to get sprint cars on TV more often or at least reported more often. Any type of exposure is good.
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on August 30 2013 at 04:34:54 PM
Amen! Someone comes up with these ridiculous threads three or four times a year. Sprint car racing definetly sucks on TV. Cramming 20 minutes of live racing into a 2 hour show and then filling the rest of the time with driver interviews and commercials is pretty awful if you ask me. You can only watch Lasoski wink at the camera or hear Kinser say "uh" so many times! I'd just about rather watch reruns of Mork and Mindy...
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did you really just log into a sprint car forum board and say youd rather watch mork and mindy? oh wow.... someone needs to walk towards the door.... ANY SPRINT CAR RACE ON TV IS THE SHIT. come on now, seriously... your no die hard
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Posted By: sidewayz on September 01 2013 at 12:20:19 AM
did you really just log into a sprint car forum board and say youd rather watch mork and mindy? oh wow.... someone needs to walk towards the door.... ANY SPRINT CAR RACE ON TV IS THE SHIT. come on now, seriously... your no die hard
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Yep, I did say it and I meant it. And let me add that if sprint car fans are diehards they'll be out at the track watching the races live and not watching it on TV. A "diehard" fan as you call them, would rather have the sensations of speed and sound that come from being at the track!
Going back the OP's question "does sprint car racing need TV to grow?", it's never going to happen. Sprint car racing has already crested in popularity along with NASCAR. Sprint car racing has had it's chance to benefit from TV exposure and raise the sport to another level. Somehow it didn't happen did it? What does that tell you genius?
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calistoga tonight, gold cup wednesday thru saturday, then antioch on sunday... ill be at the races....
mork and mindy lol..
to bad netflix dont put up sprint car races
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September 01, 2013 at
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i don't remember how many years ago it was but i remember speed doing one of the outlaws early season races at lowes dirt track and i thought that was some of the best coverage of sprint car racing i had seen. although after that their coverage went back to a lack luster coverage. it seems some of the things that make sprint car racing, wing or non-wing, so unique gets lost in the pursuit of filling the aloted time frame given by tv. many times the camera angle does not capture sprint car racing at its full glory. i understand sometimes safety of the cameraman plays into this though. for example, jacksonville speedway's racetrack is surrounded by a horse track that leaves the front stretch open with no wall. you can see the sprint cars come out of turn 4 full bore headed into turn 1. your ground level with the sprints and you see how fast they are. i also enjoy sitting in turn 1 high in the grandstand during the later stages of the a-main watching the sprint car drivers come down the front stretch and lay that big right tire up into the cushion . every track has its own unique way of showing how awesome sprint cars are, but tv coverage seems to shoot each one the same. showing the races during the summer is a mistake. most of us are busy. tape the races during the summer and show them in the winter. most of us buy race tapes to keep us intertained during the cold days of winter. also if i watch a taped race of a track that looks interesting i may go to that race in the summer, a form of advertising for the track and race. showing coverage in the winter does not hurt attendance and we mostly agree live sprint car races suck for the racing and the people in attendance.
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Posted By: sidewayz on September 01 2013 at 10:53:58 AM
calistoga tonight, gold cup wednesday thru saturday, then antioch on sunday... ill be at the races....
mork and mindy lol..
to bad netflix dont put up sprint car races
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You know what Sideways, you just gotta allow for the fact that some people are more easily entertained. You may be one of those people. If you really think sprint car racing is good on TV, you probably like wrestling and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.
When my eyes are stinging from methanol fumes and I'm cleaning dirt and tire rubber out of my ears from watching it on TV, then I'll agree with you that it's great. Otherwise, I'll enjoy my sprint car racing strictly out at the track.
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Posted By: turtle4156 on September 01 2013 at 11:14:20 AM
i don't remember how many years ago it was but i remember speed doing one of the outlaws early season races at lowes dirt track and i thought that was some of the best coverage of sprint car racing i had seen. although after that their coverage went back to a lack luster coverage. it seems some of the things that make sprint car racing, wing or non-wing, so unique gets lost in the pursuit of filling the aloted time frame given by tv. many times the camera angle does not capture sprint car racing at its full glory. i understand sometimes safety of the cameraman plays into this though. for example, jacksonville speedway's racetrack is surrounded by a horse track that leaves the front stretch open with no wall. you can see the sprint cars come out of turn 4 full bore headed into turn 1. your ground level with the sprints and you see how fast they are. i also enjoy sitting in turn 1 high in the grandstand during the later stages of the a-main watching the sprint car drivers come down the front stretch and lay that big right tire up into the cushion . every track has its own unique way of showing how awesome sprint cars are, but tv coverage seems to shoot each one the same. showing the races during the summer is a mistake. most of us are busy. tape the races during the summer and show them in the winter. most of us buy race tapes to keep us intertained during the cold days of winter. also if i watch a taped race of a track that looks interesting i may go to that race in the summer, a form of advertising for the track and race. showing coverage in the winter does not hurt attendance and we mostly agree live sprint car races suck for the racing and the people in attendance.
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Everything you say is probably true Turtle. However, let me summarize what you said with far few words... Sprint car racing doesn't work on TV...
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If you get the big dollar sponsors into the sport, it will find a way on TV. It's the chicken and the road syndrome though - one has to come before the other to do so. I truly believe this to be an untapped market. It just takes the right people calling the shots to make it work. If the PBR, NHRA, etc. can get big TV deals, this can too, but you can't alienate your fans to the point of protest by changing too many things. It's tough water to tread - someone may have the vision to do so. That's why guys like Smoke, Kahne and Larson are going to be very valuable going down the road. You get someone with a high-level presence in racing and their legion of fans will follow blindly.
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If you get the big dollar sponsors into the sport, it will find a way on TV. It's the chicken and the road syndrome though - one has to come before the other to do so. I truly believe this to be an untapped market. It just takes the right people calling the shots to make it work. If the PBR, NHRA, etc. can get big TV deals, this can too, but you can't alienate your fans to the point of protest by changing too many things. It's tough water to tread - someone may have the vision to do so. That's why guys like Smoke, Kahne and Larson are going to be very valuable going down the road. You get someone with a high-level presence in racing and their legion of fans will follow blindly.
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I would love to believe you are totally correct on that SprintFan, but I'll always be skeptical. I also believe guys Smoke, Kahne, and Larson will be very valuable. Not for getting it on TV or growing the sport, but just for the basic survival of the sport. Sprint car racing should have been able to take it to the next level just from the NASCAR crossover appeal. That's the whole reason that Las Vegas, Texas, and Charlotte built dirt tracks right next to their NASCAR cathedrals. I would say that the TMS dirt track is by far the nicest dirt racing facility in the area by far, maybe even in the state. And yet it sits empty most every weekend. It runs a couple of high dollar modified races every year, and maybe a couple of other special events and that's it. I went to one of those events last year because they were running ASCS sprints out there with them. I'd bet it was the first time sprints had been on that track in several years. The Outlaws don't go there, the ASCS has not been there on any kind of regular basis. To me, the fact that the track is there is a testimony to what sprint car racing aspired to be and was supposed to be. The fact that it sits there largely unused in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country is testimony to the reality that sprint car racing actually faces.
I do disagree with your last sentence. Legions of fans will not follow anything blindly. If you get new people out to the track to check out this awesome sport, they better seeing something overwhelmingly good or they're not coming back! And guess what, you probably have a zero chance of overwhelming them by showing it on TV. Now that I think about it, are there any sprint car fans on these forums that were first attracted to the sport because they saw a race on TV? I would really like to hear from someone who was exposed to the sport that way. My guess would be that most people were raised around the sport, or else a friend took them out to the track and they saw it live.
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I would love to believe you are totally correct on that SprintFan, but I'll always be skeptical. I also believe guys Smoke, Kahne, and Larson will be very valuable. Not for getting it on TV or growing the sport, but just for the basic survival of the sport. Sprint car racing should have been able to take it to the next level just from the NASCAR crossover appeal. That's the whole reason that Las Vegas, Texas, and Charlotte built dirt tracks right next to their NASCAR cathedrals. I would say that the TMS dirt track is by far the nicest dirt racing facility in the area by far, maybe even in the state. And yet it sits empty most every weekend. It runs a couple of high dollar modified races every year, and maybe a couple of other special events and that's it. I went to one of those events last year because they were running ASCS sprints out there with them. I'd bet it was the first time sprints had been on that track in several years. The Outlaws don't go there, the ASCS has not been there on any kind of regular basis. To me, the fact that the track is there is a testimony to what sprint car racing aspired to be and was supposed to be. The fact that it sits there largely unused in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country is testimony to the reality that sprint car racing actually faces.
I do disagree with your last sentence. Legions of fans will not follow anything blindly. If you get new people out to the track to check out this awesome sport, they better seeing something overwhelmingly good or they're not coming back! And guess what, you probably have a zero chance of overwhelming them by showing it on TV. Now that I think about it, are there any sprint car fans on these forums that were first attracted to the sport because they saw a race on TV? I would really like to hear from someone who was exposed to the sport that way. My guess would be that most people were raised around the sport, or else a friend took them out to the track and they saw it live.
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Man i cant beleive how someone could log into a sprint car forum board and say that sprint car racing doesnt deserve a spot on television. REALLY?!!!!! hot dam... HE doesnt speak for us that LOVE US SOME SPRINT CAR RACING.... Any exposure to sprint car racing is appreciated. heck, the American public 75 percent of em dont know what a wing 410 sprint car is.... So how can it be populare on TV. But to say the Sprint Car World Series wasnt the best thing that happened would be foolish, and TV made that happen. MAN BRING BACK THOSE DAYS!!!!!!!!!
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I would love to believe you are totally correct on that SprintFan, but I'll always be skeptical. I also believe guys Smoke, Kahne, and Larson will be very valuable. Not for getting it on TV or growing the sport, but just for the basic survival of the sport. Sprint car racing should have been able to take it to the next level just from the NASCAR crossover appeal. That's the whole reason that Las Vegas, Texas, and Charlotte built dirt tracks right next to their NASCAR cathedrals. I would say that the TMS dirt track is by far the nicest dirt racing facility in the area by far, maybe even in the state. And yet it sits empty most every weekend. It runs a couple of high dollar modified races every year, and maybe a couple of other special events and that's it. I went to one of those events last year because they were running ASCS sprints out there with them. I'd bet it was the first time sprints had been on that track in several years. The Outlaws don't go there, the ASCS has not been there on any kind of regular basis. To me, the fact that the track is there is a testimony to what sprint car racing aspired to be and was supposed to be. The fact that it sits there largely unused in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country is testimony to the reality that sprint car racing actually faces.
I do disagree with your last sentence. Legions of fans will not follow anything blindly. If you get new people out to the track to check out this awesome sport, they better seeing something overwhelmingly good or they're not coming back! And guess what, you probably have a zero chance of overwhelming them by showing it on TV. Now that I think about it, are there any sprint car fans on these forums that were first attracted to the sport because they saw a race on TV? I would really like to hear from someone who was exposed to the sport that way. My guess would be that most people were raised around the sport, or else a friend took them out to the track and they saw it live.
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Askin a question as to if someone saw these sprint cars on tv then found the fourm boards is pretty dumb..... really.... keep typing
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Posted By: sidewayz on September 03 2013 at 05:04:10 AM
Askin a question as to if someone saw these sprint cars on tv then found the fourm boards is pretty dumb..... really.... keep typing
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If you read it again, all he's saying is that it's highly improbable that someone became a fan because of TV exposure.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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and more probable if they did and then found this forum board... i get it
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