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jus the facts
November 09, 2012 at 08:19:36 AM
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As someone who attends roughly 60 percent of outlaw races and works closely with a few teams i have noticed a lot of officiating calls this year made to benefit the 7 car. This is a very hot topic around all teams in the pits almost nightly. Im sure i will get hammered for this so i will give examples. this is especially true at SLS faces where boyd is a past owner ofthe 7 and also his sister is dj lindsey s wife. Merced flat tire stuck in work area next start mystery yellow nobody sent back for jumping 7 restarts Grand forks red comes out for seperate incident :7 crashes and gets to rebuild car and gets spot back Pevely darrah gets flat and is forced to pits by woo officials then charlotte dollansky gets flat under red and is allowed to restart and twakes out half of field when he blows rr. Also saldana has same issue of seperate crash under yellow and is forced to tail. At rolling wheels officials put show on hold cuz 7 had bad fuel supposedly when all that was wrong was crew did not drain fuel out of tank after switching to a new tank prior week which as anyone who works on these cars know fuel in a new tank will turn brown due to oils in bladder after sitting a week in new tank.G Go to any sls show id 7 is out early track is dry slick if 7 out late they put an extra load of water before hot laps to make it greasy 4 seperate times this year when 7 qualifief good and started 2nd row of heat he got a bad start then yellow comes out, nobody penalized but complete restart. According to outlaw rules any start called back will result in someone being put back


opnwhlr
November 09, 2012 at 09:05:09 AM
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I have no idea if anything you wrote has merit.

I will comment on a number of my observations over the years when it comes to the WoO and their rules.

On ANY night of racing you will find them "bending" the rules to benefit one of their regular drivers.

The most blatant, at least to me, is their "two minute" work area rule. I have witnessed this rule being broken too many times to count when it comes to a regular "tour" driver yet have seen just the opposite when it comes to a local driver.

While this may not be a big deal to some I will say, as far as I am concerned, it cheapens the credibility of the organization in my eyes!


 
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Speedkills
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November 09, 2012 at 09:45:15 AM
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OK, so you very much dislike Craig Dollansky. Have you ever noticed that when there is someone or something you really dislike you pay more attention to it? Could it ever possibly be that you have such a hatred for Craig that anytime anything happens involving him you are paying 100% attention to what they do to him and if you hate him of course whether it was his fault or not you want the screws put to him. If it was a driver you liked or didn't care about its more likely that you wouldn't even notice these issues or you'd take them as "Alright, my guy caught a break".

So is it conspiracy or coincidence. I'm of the belief that we see the things in life that we pay attention to, we pass hundreds of cars in a day driving, maybe you notice 1 car because it has a certain bumper sticker on it, then a day later you see that same car again. In a bigger city thats abit strange to see the same random car or did you just see it because that one little thing caught your eye and you were paying attention to it or possibly even looking for it. It comes down to we each choose what we pay attention too and filter out what we don't want to see. What I'm saying is if you focus so hard on 1 person you will likely see discrepancy because your not paying that much attention to the others, or simply seeing it the way you want to see it. Really what was hoping to be accomplished by this anyways, The WRG isn't going to read this and have a meeting that they need to stop giving preference to Dollansky. Conspiracy Theorists are annoying!


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BigRightRear
November 09, 2012 at 09:53:19 AM
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I will tell you one thing that has merit...permitting a car to restart with a tire that cant make it two laps is not only amatuer hour (ala county fair bomber division)...but a very expensive crock of horsesh!t when you have a double file format.

that car should have been black flagged...

 

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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YungWun24
November 09, 2012 at 09:59:36 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on November 09 2012 at 09:53:19 AM

I will tell you one thing that has merit...permitting a car to restart with a tire that cant make it two laps is not only amatuer hour (ala county fair bomber division)...but a very expensive crock of horsesh!t when you have a double file format.

that car should have been black flagged...

 

 



I thought this same thing ....and look what happened.
Keep It Real

Speedkills
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November 09, 2012 at 10:12:19 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on November 09 2012 at 09:53:19 AM

I will tell you one thing that has merit...permitting a car to restart with a tire that cant make it two laps is not only amatuer hour (ala county fair bomber division)...but a very expensive crock of horsesh!t when you have a double file format.

that car should have been black flagged...

 

 



Would possibly agree that they could have forced him in to change the tire and go to the back on the restart, but do you think that had anything to do with it being Craig Dollansky? It is not uncommon at all for a bleeder to stick when they go yellow and the tire starts loosing air and sometimes when the race starts they are able to get them back going and I've seen several times they don't and the same thing that happened to Craig on Sat. happens, by no way is it just Craig this happens to, I've seen it happen to Sammy a couple of times just off the top of my head, but I will say I don't think I've ever seen them force someone off the track because of it during a yellow.


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mwilaski
November 09, 2012 at 10:35:23 AM
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This message was edited on November 09, 2012 at 10:36:28 AM by mwilaski
Both Big Game cars are nothing but problems on many nights. Neither car will win a WoO championship, but I think they would do very well in demolition derby competition.

outlaw_fan_7_8
November 09, 2012 at 10:46:30 AM
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i have seen several drivers with low tires try like hell to hang on. your hatred for the #7 just makes Charlotte worse. Any of the big guys would have tried to hang on. yes it was a bad deal when he collected 2 others but it happens. as far as getting poster boy status and getting away with stuff...IF it was true im sure its no more than the other full time teams get. IF there is anything there.

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November 09, 2012 at 11:09:49 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on November 09 2012 at 09:53:19 AM

I will tell you one thing that has merit...permitting a car to restart with a tire that cant make it two laps is not only amatuer hour (ala county fair bomber division)...but a very expensive crock of horsesh!t when you have a double file format.

that car should have been black flagged...

 

 



Agree 100%




minthess
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November 09, 2012 at 11:22:50 AM
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Posted By: BigRightRear on November 09 2012 at 09:53:19 AM

I will tell you one thing that has merit...permitting a car to restart with a tire that cant make it two laps is not only amatuer hour (ala county fair bomber division)...but a very expensive crock of horsesh!t when you have a double file format.

that car should have been black flagged...

 

 



That made everyone including the 7 bunch look like fools.


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

BigRightRear
November 09, 2012 at 12:30:37 PM
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Posted By: Speedkills on November 09 2012 at 10:12:19 AM

Would possibly agree that they could have forced him in to change the tire and go to the back on the restart, but do you think that had anything to do with it being Craig Dollansky? It is not uncommon at all for a bleeder to stick when they go yellow and the tire starts loosing air and sometimes when the race starts they are able to get them back going and I've seen several times they don't and the same thing that happened to Craig on Sat. happens, by no way is it just Craig this happens to, I've seen it happen to Sammy a couple of times just off the top of my head, but I will say I don't think I've ever seen them force someone off the track because of it during a yellow.



I don't if it DID or DIDN'T...the car should have been sent packing...this was the finale event of the year, huge TV audience and the ruling was a crock of horsesh!t.

and before you lose you minds, I don't like Dollansky any "worse" than I don't like Lasoski or T-Sac - the 19 car was trashed because the 7 thought he could win on 3 tires.

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

cheroger
November 09, 2012 at 12:55:06 PM
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I agree the 7 car should have been black flagged because of the obvious low tire. A better solution to the tire pressure problems with bleeders releasing pressure is to outlaw bleeders. They should have never been allowed in any form of dirt track racing. Do away with them and everyone is on the same playing field. Oh, and take the wings off also.




Speedkills
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November 09, 2012 at 01:06:17 PM
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Why would they need to black flag him for a low tire, they would have just told them over the raceciever they had to change the tire. He would have pulled into the work area and changed the tire but would of had to go to the back of the pack, he didn't cause the yellow. Any driver out there leading the race at that time would of did the same thing.


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TMac #24
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November 09, 2012 at 02:00:48 PM
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Posted By: jus the facts on November 09 2012 at 08:19:36 AM
As someone who attends roughly 60 percent of outlaw races and works closely with a few teams i have noticed a lot of officiating calls this year made to benefit the 7 car. This is a very hot topic around all teams in the pits almost nightly. Im sure i will get hammered for this so i will give examples. this is especially true at SLS faces where boyd is a past owner ofthe 7 and also his sister is dj lindsey s wife. Merced flat tire stuck in work area next start mystery yellow nobody sent back for jumping 7 restarts Grand forks red comes out for seperate incident :7 crashes and gets to rebuild car and gets spot back Pevely darrah gets flat and is forced to pits by woo officials then charlotte dollansky gets flat under red and is allowed to restart and twakes out half of field when he blows rr. Also saldana has same issue of seperate crash under yellow and is forced to tail. At rolling wheels officials put show on hold cuz 7 had bad fuel supposedly when all that was wrong was crew did not drain fuel out of tank after switching to a new tank prior week which as anyone who works on these cars know fuel in a new tank will turn brown due to oils in bladder after sitting a week in new tank.G Go to any sls show id 7 is out early track is dry slick if 7 out late they put an extra load of water before hot laps to make it greasy 4 seperate times this year when 7 qualifief good and started 2nd row of heat he got a bad start then yellow comes out, nobody penalized but complete restart. According to outlaw rules any start called back will result in someone being put back


Waaaaaaah Waaaah Wah

Sounds like someone is a little butt hurt that Dollansky finished 2nd in points this year.



do the dang thing
November 09, 2012 at 02:12:54 PM
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Of these 60 percent of races that you attended can you point out flaws of the other drivers as well?

Here are some things to think about...

If Dollansky was favored, when he brought out the caution during one of the Gold Cup nights and it was after the halfway point... why didn't the Outlaws give him extra time? This was during a time when the points were really tight.

At Charlotte that red for Schatz/Darrah lasted a long time, it wouldn't have been that hard to have a quick 2 minute open red. They sat out there for a lot longer than 2 minutes. Looks like many other people agree that other drivers would have done the same thing while leading.

Did you see Steve pass four cars before the cone after he restarted on Saturday? No caution was thrown because of it.

Like Speedkills said, you are so tied up in hating one driver and need to start seeing what else is going on.




Fuelstick
November 09, 2012 at 03:57:13 PM
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Posted By: jus the facts on November 09 2012 at 08:19:36 AM
As someone who attends roughly 60 percent of outlaw races and works closely with a few teams i have noticed a lot of officiating calls this year made to benefit the 7 car. This is a very hot topic around all teams in the pits almost nightly. Im sure i will get hammered for this so i will give examples. this is especially true at SLS faces where boyd is a past owner ofthe 7 and also his sister is dj lindsey s wife. Merced flat tire stuck in work area next start mystery yellow nobody sent back for jumping 7 restarts Grand forks red comes out for seperate incident :7 crashes and gets to rebuild car and gets spot back Pevely darrah gets flat and is forced to pits by woo officials then charlotte dollansky gets flat under red and is allowed to restart and twakes out half of field when he blows rr. Also saldana has same issue of seperate crash under yellow and is forced to tail. At rolling wheels officials put show on hold cuz 7 had bad fuel supposedly when all that was wrong was crew did not drain fuel out of tank after switching to a new tank prior week which as anyone who works on these cars know fuel in a new tank will turn brown due to oils in bladder after sitting a week in new tank.G Go to any sls show id 7 is out early track is dry slick if 7 out late they put an extra load of water before hot laps to make it greasy 4 seperate times this year when 7 qualifief good and started 2nd row of heat he got a bad start then yellow comes out, nobody penalized but complete restart. According to outlaw rules any start called back will result in someone being put back


I'm glad 'm not the only one that noticed that! lol

Just another thing to throw in there, at a majority of the SLS races that the 7 car made the dash,how often did the miracle pill get drawn that put the 7 car off the front of the Dash??



TMac #24
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November 09, 2012 at 04:03:32 PM
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Posted By: Fuelstick on November 09 2012 at 03:57:13 PM

I'm glad 'm not the only one that noticed that! lol

Just another thing to throw in there, at a majority of the SLS races that the 7 car made the dash,how often did the miracle pill get drawn that put the 7 car off the front of the Dash??



Fuelstick or Dipstick?



sprntcar7
November 09, 2012 at 04:27:52 PM
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I dont have a dog in this fight but i was at pevely and witnessed darrah get forced to the pits to change a flat tire, thought exactly the same thing when they didnt force dollansky to the pits with a flat


threadkillllllller
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November 09, 2012 at 04:53:27 PM
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Being consistent is the best way to get known for good officiating and it amazes me how so few tasked to do the job understand that most basic of concepts.



Bet n Housen
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November 09, 2012 at 05:57:45 PM
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Favoritism? I must say that with all these infractions,long yellows,reds,who is relative to who,and where and when, then the Big Game 7 should have won the championship by 100 points,whew,most drivers and officials are really very busy driving and making sure none of the fans get hurt and nothing flys into the stands to hurt someone much less hurt another driver,my dog stays on the porch and will not enter the fight until your first foot steps onto the porch then look out.Other than that, its over,Donny won.



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