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A shout out to other track promoters in Oklahoma.

When this season ends the racers all will be asking everyone of us that are running a race track "What can we expect for next year - What are the rules going to be?"

The end of our seasons are creeping up day by day.

We are dedicated and we all work very hard to give the racer the best track and the fans the best show. But we also seem to have worked very hard against ourselves to bring some kind of unification of the car rules. There is always something different it seems from race track to race track.

We do however seem to share the Sport mods are the NCRA Sport mod rules at every track. I believe that is one of the best things I see for the future and the good of the racer we need to keep that going. The NCRA Sport Mod is now also the same thing as an IMCA Southern Sport Mod which is even better as that means more tracks and more racers are coming together.

Factory stocks, pure stocks, Modifieds, and Street Stocks seem to not the same hardly anywhere. I know between two close tracks my racers in Enid have to change manifolds, and shocks. Neither one of those race tracks can our local guys race at without changing something. Of if they do not change they will be at a disadvantage.

I want to propose that we track operators get together soon to layout some plans for either going Sanctioned Racing with someone like IMCA or NCRA. And for the classes that do not fit in either one of their sanctions maybe we do our own TOGETHER. Bring the Street Stocks together with one set of rules and the other classes like Factory Stocks and make this a place where a racer can go from track to race track without wondering what the difference in rules is.

Please none of you track operators take offence to this, but lend your ideas on how we can make it better for all. I know I am new to Oklahoma but sometimes it takes someone as bold as me to say we have a problem and let's fix it.

As far as Enid Speedway I have some plans for 2011 and would be glad to share those with you.

Thanks,
Ed Beckley
Enid Speedway
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Good post Ed, I wish you luck with getting some kind of unity with dirt track rules in Oklahoma. It is time to put the differences aside between tracks and somehow make it better for all involved.

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

I have been saying this for years. It would be better for everyone. Does Enid have a current websight to see their schedule for the rest of 2010?

Sorry we have not got the website done yet but we do have a facebook site under enid speedway and it is quite busy to say the least.

facebook site:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Enid-Speedway/100001203768363

Our next races are:

ENID SLAM JAM
Sunday Spt 26th 5pm

ENID WINTER NATIONALS
Saturday and Sunday Oct. 23-24th

Thanks!
Ed Beckley
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sport mods IMCA best way to go.

How about sharing some of those Enid plans?? Might let some of the guys know where they stand next year,either building or modifying their present car.

For 2011

We shall sanction our races with IMCA in the Southern Sport Mod class. We can also run NCRA Sanction at the same time which will allow our guys to get points in both and know what the rules are going to be when you leave the house...........they will be the same.

Thinking we should sanction the MODIFIEDS thru IMCA also. You can still run an IMCA car at NCRA races or outlaw races just like Gemmils do.

Bomber youth class for sure will be added and might add that before seasons ends.

Enid is like everywhere else we need this econonmy to straighten out before we can committ to weekly but we are thinking at least twice a month on Sunday's to not disturb anyones point chase at other tracks. We will start at 5pm to get done earlier.

Some of the classes there will be run intermittently. A close look will be done to the Street Stock class and the Factory Stocks. Both need to a statewide rules package.

Street Stocks rules in Enid allow for different suspension that other tracks is what I am hearing - where the heck did that come from?

3 bar rear? Who else in the area has those rules?

Factory Stock and Pure Stock Car classes are doing ok, but nothing to write home about. We could take the Factory Stocks and turn them into IMCA Stock Cars with a year transition and let other guys change em over and get points and be able to race other IMCA tracks.

There is just some of what we are looking at for 2011.

Racer input is always a valued thing with us.

In Enid I am sure it is the same everywhere..........there are a whole lot more race cars sitting than are racing. They tell me it is because of the rule changes in the last few years.....whatever the case the trend needs to be rebuilding or building not scrapping race cars.

Enid is not alone nor are we the total problem .........but we need to be part of the solution to all this spending by our racers and try to keep it down while still have a safe - racey - fun race car that can be hauled out of the County maybe even the state and be able to race without doing anything to the car.

Ok there yah go. There's more but I think you get where I am going.

Specials for:
NCRA LATE MODELS -
NCRA / IMCA SPORT MODS -
MODIFIEDS (USTMS)
SPRINT CARS (360 ncra type and non winged sprints)

Thanks for the comments and questions!
Ed Beckley
Enid Speedway

facebook website
http://www.facebook.com/people/Enid-Speedway/100001203768363

[email protected]

Thanks for the reply, So if this does go to the imca stock cars, will it be entirely by the book per imca rules?? Tires etc. The reason I ask, is where is the economy on imca versus track tires? I realize that this is next yr we are talking about, and nothing is set in stone at this time. Hope you can work something out with other promoters, but honestly dont see it happening. Good luck

Let's just say, from conversations that I have had with several, the wheels are turning...

This would be a great thing but not only do the promoters all or mostly all have to be on the same page but drivers seeing the benefits as well.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

David you are right.

For his question here is what we did in this area. We had a ok car count for the factory stocks but there was no other place to race them so the first year we ran em together and only gave IMCA points to IMCA legal cars.

Well it did take a year or so for most to change over. IMCA has some different roll cage ideas and some other stuff that we got slid thru for our track to let those cars be legal for two years if they were making an effort to get legal. Competitive they were with no real competitive advantage other than they had a bigger two barrel on the factory stocks but there was no weight jacks and the IMCA cars were lighter. It worked but it took basically a 2 year transistion.

So what we would do in Enid is do likely the same thing.

Hope that answered your question.

On the modifieds we took the spoilers off, made em run 25 lbs on the front of the car for rear pumps and another 25 lbs for a roller motor. Everyone is on IMCA TIRES in the modified division on rr-rf-lr on the left front we did not car what tire.

They got points and all that with those cars. Did any of them win.... once in a while but it was gonna happen with those drivers if they were racn a peddle car.

Yes I want to do IMCA RULES and would like other tracks to do so also. But that is only on classes there are IMCA like Sport Mods.

Not sure if you race or what you race but if you had a sport mod and we were IMCA this year you would have point fun money coming to you. Now there is none.

Anyway what class do you race Chris?

Unification of rules be a tough thing to do and get them all (Promoters) to agree,Seems all have their own ideas/ways of how they want it and know how it should be to benefit them , that ME/I world mentality, All I can say is good luck in your efforts.

Even if they all had the same rules... The problem will be the enforcement of the rules... There will still be the tracks that go by the rules and enforce them. And there will be the tracks that let you run what u brung. I wish all the rules were the same myself.

Well I had one call already and he and one other track have already said we will meet in Okc this Winter and hopefully soon so if something of a big scale is going to be done we need to do this prior to Christmas so racers will have time to plan.

Enforcement of rules is a track thing that is for sure. We have two tech guys in Dodge and a couple in Enid. My guys are busy to say the least.

Yep, as Mr. Beckley stated, the wheels are turning.....

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

I like hearing that as that will make racing in the state that much better for everyone.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Ed, you are on the right track. I have been preaching the same for years. Seems Pride and Greed sometimes gets in the way of Reality. If anyone of you Promoters think, "I'm going to Dictate the Racin' at my own track" you are not in it for the Sport, nor are you seeing the BIG picture. It is so obvious why the car counts are down at your tracks. Nobody can show up and be Legal with so many different rules floating around.

Racers are just as much to blame, I fully understand you have al-lot of money, time, and effort in your Race Teams, but in order for this to work we all have got to be on the same page no matter what division (class) of car you are racing in. Sanctioning bodies offer that the same rules apply to all, Pretty Simple.

I am not saying we should all jump on the wagon with some of the exsisting Sanctioning bodies, but they have rules in place that have been proven over the years. This brings up the subject of "Tech", if all tracks have seperate rules, how do you as a Racer expect the "Tech Official" to keep up with what you are running. If the rules were common the "Tech" would also be common. If you as a Racer wanted to dispute, it is most likely, You are Cheating the Rules.

"Nobody likes a Cheater, but Everybody likes a Winner"

Problem one is we fragmented the classes.

There was maybe two classes of stock cars then they were split and split again.

Now:
Late Models
Street Stocks / Pro Streets
Factory Stocks
Pure Stocks
Bombers

Modifieds have done the same thing:
IMCA Modifieds
IMCA SPORT MODS (Northern)
IMCA SPORT MODS (Southern)
NCRA Modifieds South
NCRA Modifieds North
360 Mods
E Mods
NCRA SPORT Mods

Now recently in Oklahoma:
NCRA SPRINT CARS
ASCS SPRINT CARS
OCRS SPRINT CARS
and now Non Winged Limited Sprint Cars

We have to stop fragmentating classes to have any numbers.

Tracks have there rules on the web page. If a driver shows up and is not legal at the end of the race,,, DQ him.

You may loose a car here and there but if the track sticks to there guns the car count should turn around..

Nothing pisses me off more... Than a track with rules in black and white and some IN BIG LETTERS. and you watch a car go threw tech( not running by the rules) and nothing is done. Then the next week there is 2 cars running and then 3 cars running not by the rules and still nothing is done.

what ever rules that they come up with,,,,,, ENFORCE THE RULES.