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August 17, 2009 at
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ok, after listening to knoxville (thanks Hoseheads radio!), I feel I need to post this. The answer to fix the racing at knoxville and let the best "driver" win is to run spec tires at least on the left and right rear. Make the tires a bit narrower and harder than hell, then horsepower wont matter nearly as much. The drivers like schitz wont like it but its a knoxville deal not an outlaw deal. Remember when drivers could actually come from the c or d main? Not any more Think about it, what actually puts on a better show, an elbows up deal like the Gold Cup or a horsepower deal like knoxville? I've been around sprint cars a very, very long time and its been a long time since I've seen a really good race at knoxville, maybe not since Wolfgang ran it...
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August 17, 2009 at
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Apparently the BEST "driver" did win it. Isn't it supposed to be the best of the best at Knoxville?
My 2 Cents.
Sean,
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August 17, 2009 at
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harder/narrower tires are sorely needed in sprint car racing right now. Making a less effective wing while maintianing the sponsor-happy billboard and safety would be a huge bonus too. In short....unhook them and the engine cost/fuel consumption issues go away.
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August 17, 2009 at
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track prep and promotion are the sole problem with sprint car racing..... nothing wrong with the racing track was good in the b lasoski from the back to 3rd and the a was a barnburner,, nothing different as to when kinser won every year
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August 17, 2009 at
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August 17, 2009 at
02:46:09 AM by hamslam2003
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Posted By: nowingsallballs on August 17 2009 at 01:51:23 AM
Apparently the BEST "driver" did win it. Isn't it supposed to be the best of the best at Knoxville?
My 2 Cents.
Sean,
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no, the best motor/tire combo won at knoxville. My grandmother could have driven that car to victory.
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August 17, 2009 at
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Fix it? I didn't know it was broke. Winged sprint car racing in general may have some issues to deal which Knoxville and some other major dirt tracks have some influence over but cannot stand alone to fix them. Knoxville does not need fixed. Mother Nature needs to not raise her ugly head during Nationals week is the only problem.
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August 17, 2009 at
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Posted By: Speedbump on August 17 2009 at 02:05:06 AM
harder/narrower tires are sorely needed in sprint car racing right now. Making a less effective wing while maintianing the sponsor-happy billboard and safety would be a huge bonus too. In short....unhook them and the engine cost/fuel consumption issues go away.
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I'm going to go with this one. lotta views here......................
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August 17, 2009 at
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Wow, really? Your Grandmother? Huh. Well where was she at the bingo parlor? Look the best guy won it fair and square. Joey had his chance and fucked up. Oh yeah and Lasoski came from the middle of the B main to finish in the top eleven where were you and grandma at? Also they are running the same tires, all Hoosier with a few Goodyears, as for motors I bet there were 5 different engines in the top ten, but all around the same horsepower give or take 20 hp. As far as drivers coming from the c, it could of happen this year but rain fell and ruined that. All in all there was alot of passing for as heavy a track it was so be happy that Saldana didn't win or you would have said the track is too hooked up to pass on, then what Grandma gonna run it too.
Oh and are you saying that horsepower don't matter at Chico? If I remember right Joey got it in the 10's at the Mini, oh and incase you say it's only for qualifying he also won the main too.
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August 17, 2009 at
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Posted By: throttlejohnson on August 17 2009 at 03:38:09 AM
Wow, really? Your Grandmother? Huh. Well where was she at the bingo parlor? Look the best guy won it fair and square. Joey had his chance and fucked up. Oh yeah and Lasoski came from the middle of the B main to finish in the top eleven where were you and grandma at? Also they are running the same tires, all Hoosier with a few Goodyears, as for motors I bet there were 5 different engines in the top ten, but all around the same horsepower give or take 20 hp. As far as drivers coming from the c, it could of happen this year but rain fell and ruined that. All in all there was alot of passing for as heavy a track it was so be happy that Saldana didn't win or you would have said the track is too hooked up to pass on, then what Grandma gonna run it too.
Oh and are you saying that horsepower don't matter at Chico? If I remember right Joey got it in the 10's at the Mini, oh and incase you say it's only for qualifying he also won the main too.
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No grandma doesn't play bingo, shes writing a book called "sprint car racing for dummies", maybe I can get you a copy. Also, if you going to try to make a point make sure you get your facts straight, Jason Meyers won the mini, not Saldana.
My point is this, pay attention. I am saying if you limit the tires and even wings a bit, it would require more driving skill. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If shitz is that good he will win regardless of the limits. Hell, you can even race on a wet track and still put on a better show, with less dust.
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August 17, 2009 at
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I think it's more like find a way to fix it so someone else wins, right? I'm not a big Schatz fan, but like him or not, the best driver did win.
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August 17, 2009 at
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All excuses and bitches because Schatz won. Get over it. It wasn't broken when Steve dominated and it isn't broken now.
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August 17, 2009 at
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Not a Schatz fan by any means, but he is the best right now hands down. No one is even in the same ballpark as him right now. You don't get lucky 4 years in a row.
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August 17, 2009 at
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Posted By: hamslam2003 on August 17 2009 at 04:38:26 AM
No grandma doesn't play bingo, shes writing a book called "sprint car racing for dummies", maybe I can get you a copy. Also, if you going to try to make a point make sure you get your facts straight, Jason Meyers won the mini, not Saldana.
My point is this, pay attention. I am saying if you limit the tires and even wings a bit, it would require more driving skill. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If shitz is that good he will win regardless of the limits. Hell, you can even race on a wet track and still put on a better show, with less dust.
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Since she's writing it for you, will there even be copies that others can get? If you watch any race and watch all the drivers, you'd see that Donny is more consistent in his driving than any others out there. That's why he's winning. It's not motor or tires. There's great racers out there that have as much power and tire choices as him - why is it then that they can't do what he's doing right now? Seems to me the answers are right in front of everyones face - some just can't accept the way it is.
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August 17, 2009 at
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I am big fan of winged racing, however the non-wing fan in me grows every year. If you want to make it more equal then take off the wings and put the driver back in it.
At Oskaloosa, Kevin Swindell came from fourth to first after turn four and got a standing ovation...
FOR A HEAT RACE WIN!!!!
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August 17, 2009 at
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I am not a fan of any single driver, but what impresses me about Schatz and his team is how they do at the end of the races. And that is not just at Knoxville that he takes the lead and walks away in the last quarter of the race.
Confidence is a huge thing in racing and right now Donny knows that the car will do pretty much what is asked when its needed.
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August 17, 2009 at
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after the interview with that McCoy guy...i'd say let him berate the race fans who are in the internet a for the next two years and the problem takes care of itself - nobody will attend.
perfect example of how to take an overpriced event with low attendance and turn it into a PR nightmare. good thing Bill W and Lanny realized it and tried to soften the edges...
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Posted By: BigRightRear on August 17 2009 at 08:52:02 AM
after the interview with that McCoy guy...i'd say let him berate the race fans who are in the internet a for the next two years and the problem takes care of itself - nobody will attend.
perfect example of how to take an overpriced event with low attendance and turn it into a PR nightmare. good thing Bill W and Lanny realized it and tried to soften the edges...
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I was thinking the same thing.. I cant afford to go the entire week anymore.. heck, I was lucky to be able to go Wednesday and Thursday this year,, I hate missing Tuesday. And the more I hear "Just dont come" to anyone involved with this event,, it makes me much more likely to NOT go. I do not agree with the fuel stop... especially one that is not said when it will be. I believe I would rather make the trek to PA or even OH for some races then pay for the purse they have to pay at Knoxville. Do not get me wrong, I love the racing and seeing everyone in one place.... and I did appreciate Kerry Madsens interview after he was done,,, THE FANS are the ones who really pay for the weather,, whether it be losing a day at work or paying to camp an extra night... whatever it is...
One question I do have, why not run what had to be run this year at noon? Just had to run the B and A. Or at least plan it for Noon... It sure would have made things alot better for most fans I believe. Anywho, I know I will be there next year because of my addiction, but it aint because of anything but my love of the sport... but if prices go much higher for tickets, I do know I wont be there anymore... I mean for all 4 night it costs $160.. that is ridiculous, these guys would run this race for $25 to win... Knoxville will eventually price themselves out..... and I already know the answer "if you dont like it, dont come,,lol" See ya!!!
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Posted By: hamslam2003 on August 17 2009 at 02:45:47 AM
no, the best motor/tire combo won at knoxville. My grandmother could have driven that car to victory.
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So what are you saying? Since the "best motor/tire combo" won that anybody who drove the car could win, even your Grandma? Well, let's think about that statement. That apparently does not work for the other TSR driver, or he would be running a Shaver.
Where was Cody Darrah and Cale Conley in the A-main? That's right, they did not make it that far. After Thursday, there were some on this board screaming that the cars are so easy to drive that these two young kids were driving away from everybody and flirting with the track record. Yes, money buys you good equipment, but you still need a great driver to win, especially the Knoxville Nationals. Piss and moan all you want about Tony's money, but his money is only as good as Kasey's money.
Face it, the best 24 drivers made the A-main and the best driver for the last 3 to 4 years won again. FROM THE THIRD ROW. Where's all they people saying if you start in the front row, you win? That's what some have been saying all summer about the Outlaw races. Guess that theory does not hold true again. Like him or not, Schatz is the fastest, smartest most competitive driver out there now and will probably continue to be for some time. If Saldana keeps loosing them like this, he's bound to win one down the road.
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August 17, 2009 at
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It's hilarious every year that it rains we have to listen to the "Knoxville has lost its luster" stuff. Happened in 2007, happened this year as well. Rain kills Knoxville because the format requires an great track with lots of passing to work. We had a great track on Thurs and Fri, but Wednesday wasn't up to snuff. Also interesting to read that the biggest complainers about the event are those who "listened" to it.
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Posted By: hamslam2003 on August 17 2009 at 01:07:44 AM
ok, after listening to knoxville (thanks Hoseheads radio!), I feel I need to post this. The answer to fix the racing at knoxville and let the best "driver" win is to run spec tires at least on the left and right rear. Make the tires a bit narrower and harder than hell, then horsepower wont matter nearly as much. The drivers like schitz wont like it but its a knoxville deal not an outlaw deal. Remember when drivers could actually come from the c or d main? Not any more Think about it, what actually puts on a better show, an elbows up deal like the Gold Cup or a horsepower deal like knoxville? I've been around sprint cars a very, very long time and its been a long time since I've seen a really good race at knoxville, maybe not since Wolfgang ran it...
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It would take a book to answer these questions and comments. I was not at the track this year, listened and watched what was available. So these are generic ideas, and certainly Schatz and his team are currently the class of the field, but-1. If anyone believes there is as much passing in the past either they are not paying attention or do not have a long enough history with the sport. 2. While sitting with a non-fan watching the prelims, he remarked "do they ever pass anyone", not a good way to build a new fan base. 3. Rather than go to k"ville this year I attended Indiana Sprint Week, more passing, more excitement and a better buy.In the end it all about the quality of the racing, I do not care who is dominating, but I do care when we think that a close and competitive race is simply about going fast and cars stretched out like a big parade. Most people understand the answer is to unhook the cars via tire and wing rules, the real problem is how to get it done. As to fuel stops. put the right tank on and get over it.
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