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This car has been coming on the radar for some time now. Don Edmunds remembers this car since it had rectangular frame rails. Many of us do not know what happened to this car, but today I was talking to Clinton Herring of Lawton, Ok. He filled me in on at least part of the story.

Isaac had of course two Edmunds cars, the 6 and the 8. In the mid 70's Isaac had to pay in on his taxes it seems and a car had to go. The #6 Edmunds was still there and the new Parson either was there or was coming.

So Clinton bought the #8 and renumbered it the 'Singin 5' with JL Nash driving.

Look at those headers, is that a Jim Hysaw application?

JL Nash was killed in the mid 70's, at a night club right after the races. It was a case of mistaken identity and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

AJ Little took over the driving duties , and somewhere after he was driving at OkC when Dannu Wood(?) lost a motor and came down in front of AJ. AJ went into a piece of track equipment and totally destroyed the car to the point that only the radiator was usable for Herring. This is where it was an open door for Herring bought the #67 from Parson after Parson got it back from the Sikes deal.

Clinton said he does not know what happened to the remains of the old #8. I asked him if they took it to the scrapyard, but he gets foggy at that point leaving it open only to the possibility. He mused about the rectangular frame rails.

Here's where it gets even more interesting. This #8 has round tube frame rails, could this be the #6 with the #8 body on it? Temporary of course? Look below the bumper on the right side, round tube.

This is entirely plausible---- Bill Cundiff bought a top and tail from the #6 Edmunds and used it on his 6 cylinder car. This 'might' be during the time Isaac was having taxe issues, a rebodied #6 car. Fill us in those that know more please.

There are many who say this car is the original #8, however the rectangular frame rail issue keeps coming up. Could this be the round tube #8 we see in the photo above? This is the car from Missouri with a new Edmunds body on it.

Brian,

Unless they cut the left hand part of the X brace out of the rear hoop this is not the #8. both the #6 & #8 had the full X brace in later years. This car is built alot like an orginial Edmunds which came with only the right hand diagonal. If I remember right Danny King had one of the Issac cars and it was #88 with Terry Uhiling, Jon Johnson & Dave Frusher as driver's if this is so we could contact Danny King and find out for sure as Danny is still going strong with Zach Chappell currently driving his car. Issac got the Parson car in the winter of '74/'75 if I remember correctly, Evertt came down in a big ol Chrysler Imperial and picked the car up, I always thought that was neat.

Yeah, this car has a cloudy history.

I was thinking that there were 2 #8 cars built for Issac by Edmonds the first was a square or rectangular frame rail. And the 2nd car was a round rail car.This info came from Edmonds.I am not sure but i was thinking that the Square rail car was crashed and Destroyed but i am not sure what year it was.. And that is why the round rail car was built. The #6 and both #8 cars were Edmonds cars.

Issac had a number # 8 in the late 60s,Herb Copeland drove it at the Hutch Nationals in 69 and Won the Race and David Ross got 2nd in a photo finish type race,.

Also the round tube # 8 car was turned into a Sprint car for a while and then a Salt Flats speed car for a while.And then in the last few years was reset back to the 100inch car that it is now. I was there were they did this work to it North of Lincoln Ne. And then the body was done in SW Mo and it was put to its roller condition as it is today.I know the cage was replaced in the last few years because it was changed so much when it was turned into a Salt Flat car.And alot of the front end was changed also.The car was changed alot for the Salt Flats.

Just another thought,the #8 was not as Fast on the small tracks as the #6. And the #8 car was much better than the #6 on the longer tracks like Hutch. Maybe Issac had it changed to be more like the #6. That is a possibility.

I got several pictures of this car i will see what else i can find out.And i know other people who were around this cars alot.

Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed 
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot 
harder to stay there.

Clinton Herring claims he owned the square rail car until AJ Little crashed it, when it was renumbered as a #5 from out of Lawton. Clinton claims that happened in 1976--which led him to buy the Dale Parson #67.

Trust me, Clinton had the money and the relationships in Kansas with Isaac.

This info means this car may be the round rail #8, it was on its way from Missouri going to Houston.

Further more, the tail tank in this car and the dash look VERY much like what Edmunds was selling with these cars.

The dash and fraimrails are unto their own in style with the primered car, much inline with a wide body Edmunds (original width).

I have heard this was a kit car from Nance, however I have never seen framerails bent out midway along the car like this one. Everybody else seemed to use straight frame rails, not bent outward.jmo

So I'm thinking, that if there were two #8s, then this could be the round tube car in primer with the rear bracing done very much like the square rail car, an Edmunds supermod signature.

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but mention of the Isaac cars has got me thinking about some history that Dick Rhea of Sharon Springs told me quite a few years back. He made mention of a coupld of California built Supers that competed in Western Kansas back in the late 60's or early 70's that were hard to beat. I can't remember all the details but one of them blew up a clutch and or flywheel and killed the driver, I think, in the car running next to it. Maybe Rhea ended up with one of them, I just can't remember the facts but it's a story that I've also heard from others. Maybe I've got it all mixed up but I've always wondered what the truth really was. Anybody else rmember anything like this? Who ended up with the cars? Whatever happened it makes for a good tale and there has to be more to it than I remember.

I can understand if somebody changed the car to a round tube . Because a round tube car will flix and hook up better on dry slick surface..A square tube car wont flix as much and it makes the tires take the full brunt of the pressure.Its to ridged. But more ridged will work on a heavyer car like 3200 lbs.

A lot of changes were made back in them days trying new things. Like were to make the first weld and were to start when you build a car.

The full history and changes of this car may never be figured out unless you can talk to Issac or somebody very close to them when this was going on.With all the changes that were made to this car from its time as a Sprint car and then when it was a Salt Flat car. It may be tuff to figure out.

I might know someone that drove this car when it was a Sprint Car ,i will try to talk to them when i get the chance.But if they drove it a few times they might not know much.

If that guys says that the car was distroyed that might be right ,,,Maybe this is the 2nd #8 .And they biult it like the square tube car but with round tubes to make it more flixable.

Alot of guys changed little things on some of the Nance and Edmonds cars and that might just be way they were faster at times then others.

It is a shame that they didnt mark or tag these cars some place on them. Even the tags would be worth something.

Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed 
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot 
harder to stay there.

Brain,

May have just found a few answer's on the Issac cars, talked to Danny King this morning and he told me Issac had more then the 2 Edmunds cars maybe as many as 4, he did confirm a couple were rectangle frame cars, Danny's #88 was the #6 round tube frame he purchased it in '76 from Issac. He does not know where all the other Issac cars are but he cut his up. So it is possible that Clinton had the 1st #8 as it was rectangle tube and as you and I have discussed the dash with tag in the pic's you have posted looks to me like an Edmunds. So this could also explain how this car could be the round tube #8.

Brian the guy north of Lincoln Ne that reset this car a few years back had a Edmonds jig and he said it was a Edmonds car for sure.He showed me that it was a Edmonds jig . The jig was marked so i dont have any worries about where the jig came from.

I was there when he had it on the jig. He said somethings about the car being cut on over the years. But he did say that it fit the jig well and that he was not going to have any problems getting it back in line like it needed to be..

From the looks of the cars he had built before and reset for people over the years. I felt pretty good about what he was doing to it. He had done work on some pretty good cars that have been restored and are still out there.today. And being close to Lincoln you can just amagine who he has done work for. He knew my Dad and we hit it off real well and out come the scrape books.It was a fun visit. I have seen him a few more times sence then at Eagle Racway.

He is real good on building Mini Sprints from the ground up.He had a Mini Sprint he was building there and told me who it was for ,i wish that owner would have been there.

I was there taking parts for it to him for a friend that owned the car at that time and was having him do the work on it because he had the Edmonds jig. My friends are the ones from SW Mo that sold the car to the guy in the Houston area..

I think he kinda wants to stay out of the lime light because he has a pretty heavy load on cars to redo and has all he can handle.He still loves working on them and just does one at a time. Tim

Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed 
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot 
harder to stay there.

I know this primered car had a tail tank under the rear shell JUST like the tank in the Edmunds/Kimble drawing above, also the dash was very much like what I have seen from Edmunds. There were no rivet holes in the dash for the tag from what I remember, but the tag may have been glued/two sided taped onto the dash.

Interestingly, there was an unmarked Edmunds Autoresearch tag on E-Bah last year for $80, I wanted that one just to have.

This car had some things so unlike what we have seen through here. I took some time that sunday morning whilst no one was around, I KNEW i was looking at a rarity I might never see again.

Brian ,,let use know if they get this car track worthy. It would be cool to see it make a lap or to.When the Johnsons sold it he never told me what the guy was going to do. If he was going to do it up like the #8 or his own design..

If he is going to race it any he better make them top shock mounts on the front alittle stronger with a 2 sided flange. And level that stearing rod were it is level from front to rear. They sure turn easyer when that bar is level.,, that bugs me when i see one that aint level. Hell here i go trying to make it track ready.

I sure wish the guy luck with it and hope it gives him lots of fun owning it.True piece ah history there.

Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed 
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot 
harder to stay there.