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I've have been racking my brain about the Isaac cars. I received an e-mail several years ago, but couldn't remember who it was. I was doing some heavy searching tonight and found this in another Kansas Web Sites guestbook. Bruce Unruh is who emailed way back. It would be interesting to know what #6 he has.

What a great page! I grew up going to McCarty Speedway in Dodge City KS. I have a lot of stuff from the 70s and 80s, old programs, paper stories, photos, weekly program inserts, and Merrick Auto Racing stuff. I also raced super-modifieds and sprints at DC and 81 Speedway. Have not raced in years, but still have the sprint, also most of the Evert Isaac 6 super which was my first car. Now living in Wichita. thanks for the great time sharing this page with my wife Tricia - Bruce

Brian,

Unless they cut the left hand part of the X brace out of the rear hoop this is not the #8. both the #6 & #8 had the full X brace in later years. This car is built alot like an orginial Edmunds which came with only the right hand diagonal. If I remember right Danny King had one of the Issac cars and it was #88 with Terry Uhiling, Jon Johnson & Dave Frusher as driver's if this is so we could contact Danny King and find out for sure as Danny is still going strong with Zach Chappell currently driving his car. Issac got the Parson car in the winter of '74/'75 if I remember correctly, Evertt came down in a big ol Chrysler Imperial and picked the car up, I always thought that was neat.

Brian the guy north of Lincoln Ne that reset this car a few years back had a Edmonds jig and he said it was a Edmonds car for sure.He showed me that it was a Edmonds jig . The jig was marked so i dont have any worries about where the jig came from.

I was there when he had it on the jig. He said somethings about the car being cut on over the years. But he did say that it fit the jig well and that he was not going to have any problems getting it back in line like it needed to be..

From the looks of the cars he had built before and reset for people over the years. I felt pretty good about what he was doing to it. He had done work on some pretty good cars that have been restored and are still out there.today. And being close to Lincoln you can just amagine who he has done work for. He knew my Dad and we hit it off real well and out come the scrape books.It was a fun visit. I have seen him a few more times sence then at Eagle Racway.

He is real good on building Mini Sprints from the ground up.He had a Mini Sprint he was building there and told me who it was for ,i wish that owner would have been there.

I was there taking parts for it to him for a friend that owned the car at that time and was having him do the work on it because he had the Edmonds jig. My friends are the ones from SW Mo that sold the car to the guy in the Houston area..

I think he kinda wants to stay out of the lime light because he has a pretty heavy load on cars to redo and has all he can handle.He still loves working on them and just does one at a time. Tim

Fits an Edmunds jig, has an Edmunds tailtank, takes an Edmunds hood, looks like no other car i have seen from our region builtwise.

Talking with the previous owner I got this,

Between Evert Isaac to the current owner, this car was refitted with a more modern cage, also ran Bonneville with a Jimmy 6, was placed onto an Edmunds jig, which it DID fit, and was refitted with an Edmunds design cage. The tailtank and the dash were always there with the car.

The previous owner also had a discussion with Don Edmunds himself, who was interested in how the original molds got to the midwest.

Now here's the hard part,

This car is said to trace back through to Isaac by way of Danny King. A poster on this board had talked with Danny King and Danny had said he had cut his car up years ago. NOW THEN, I do know I have seen others pick up remains of old race cars

even when they were not collectable. I am that way, throw one away in the dump or scrapyard, I'll wait until you are gone and I will pick it up and take it home. Many of us are like that for some reason. Unless you you actually see the remains being thrown onto the truck from the scrapyard going to the smelter, you just never know.

Or like this- So many cars, so many years, this story gets tangled up with that story, confusion ensues down the line.

How did this car get an Edmunds tailtank?(it's there, I checked)

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I have talked with the current owner, and his results are showing something different. His trip to Kansas and talking with Jerry Soderberg indicated this could be a Nance frame kit.

How does a Nance frame kit fit an Edmunds jig?

Finally, ALL parties in this have ONLY good intentions, and wish to resolve this matter. I wish to establish that this region has at least one Edmunds 100" car EVEN if most of it has been rebuilt. I am also a fan of Don Edmunds work, and wish no hard feelings on anybody.

brian 26, you indicated the car ran at bonneville with a jimmy 6. do you know what year the engine was, as per bonneville rules the engine would have to be built prior to 1948!!!!! waddy ya thinl about that ????? i have a bonneville rule book in my desk.......

Ok i have some history on the Issac #8 bear with me and here it is.

And note the cage thing.,and the pictures that go with it..

Danny King bought this car from Issac.....Randy Jones drove the car #88 pic of it on RFTP Kansas Supers of the 60s and 70s Page 10 photo#69. The car still has the origanel cage on it.

Terry Uehling drove it also #88 pic of it RFTP Kansas Supers 60s and 70s Page 23 Photo #59. Car still has the original cage on it.

Then Danny King changed the cage for a different look for whatever reason.And also changed the front end to a Parallel Torsion bar. Dave Frusher drove the car and won the 1979 NCRA title,,,.......PICTURE OF IT WITH THE BIGGER CAGE.,,,,RFTP Kansas Supers 60s and 70s Page 6 ,,photo #761.

The car was then bougth to be a Salt flat car,THE NAME OF THIS GUY ,WERE ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING.

Then Mark Waugh bougth the car he lives in Minneola ks ,,it is very close to Dodge City,,Mark also has the #666 Super from the same time frame.,, that has been restored and still has it today..He was very familiar with the Issac cars.

David and Gill Johnson in Neosho Missouri close to Joplin, bought the car from Mark Waugh.. David Johnson has i Picture of the car with the bigger cage still on it,,,from when he bought the car from Mark Waugh. ,like it had when David Frusher drove it and won the NCRA 1979 title.

The bigger cage was still on the car when David and Gill Johnson bought it.

David and Gill wanted to put it back to its original condtion.So they sent it to Nebraska up by Lincoln to have the Origanal Edmonds cage and the Spring front put back on it.

I went there myself and seen the jig this guy had .It was an Edmonds jig. And living that close to Lincioln you can just think who all he has redone cars for. His name is Bender and he is one of the topp Mini Sprint builders up in that area,and has redone alot of cars. I took parts up there and spent 3 hours at his shop.And went back another time.He had done other Nance and Edmonds cars before that.

The fact that David has the pictures of the car with the bigger cage on it that it had when David Frusher drove it,,,is pretty convencing stuff to the proff of the car.

And we all know that Nance cars copyed alot of the Edmonds cars stuff back then,its easy for someone to think it could be a Nance cars with changes.I mean no disrespected to Nance for what i just said.

But when that Racing Magazine came out in 1966 with the picture of the #54 Edmonds Super Sprint is what got everybody going because they were running them in California in 1966 and they didint not come here untill 1968 or late 67.

Nance built cars and did equaly well aganits the Edmunds. But Edmunds was first to get the Front End and Rear end right in these cars that is why they were faster than all the rest..That front end and rear end set ups is what was copyed the most,,there were already some car around here with simaliar frame disign but they were not as fast becuase they did not have the front end and rear end setups right on them...But what i am trying to say is that some of the first cars that Nance built in the late 60s were very close to Edmonds cars,and other biulders also were close to these.NOW YOU KNOW WHY SOME CARSWERE FASTER THAN OTHER CARS IN THE EARLY TO MID 60s around here,,they had better Front End Set Ups and Rear End set ups . You might have to have one of each of them setting side by side to see the diffenrnce.Alot of people copyed the disign,if you get my drift. And alot of people change Nance and Edmonds cars to make them faster to fit them.

Just like the 1975 Nance car that Roy Bryant drove the Blue # 37, alot of chnages was made to that car,and it won. 81 speedway that year.Alot of changes were made to every fast car back then.

The fact that David Johsnon the guy that sold the car to Kieth Roller the guy who has it now,has a photo of it with the bigger cage like it was when Dave Frusher drove it .That is pretty good stuff.

Maybe David could get that photo and send it were it needs to go.

I am open to rebutal........Tim

Fits an Edmunds jig, has an Edmunds tailtank, takes an Edmunds hood, looks like no other car i have seen from our region builtwise.

Talking with the previous owner I got this,

Between Evert Isaac to the current owner, this car was refitted with a more modern cage, also ran Bonneville with a Jimmy 6, was placed onto an Edmunds jig, which it DID fit, and was refitted with an Edmunds design cage. The tailtank and the dash were always there with the car.

The previous owner also had a discussion with Don Edmunds himself, who was interested in how the original molds got to the midwest.

Now here's the hard part,

This car is said to trace back through to Isaac by way of Danny King. A poster on this board had talked with Danny King and Danny had said he had cut his car up years ago. NOW THEN, I do know I have seen others pick up remains of old race cars

even when they were not collectable. I am that way, throw one away in the dump or scrapyard, I'll wait until you are gone and I will pick it up and take it home. Many of us are like that for some reason. Unless you you actually see the remains being thrown onto the truck from the scrapyard going to the smelter, you just never know.

Or like this- So many cars, so many years, this story gets tangled up with that story, confusion ensues down the line.

How did this car get an Edmunds tailtank?(it's there, I checked)

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I have talked with the current owner, and his results are showing something different. His trip to Kansas and talking with Jerry Soderberg indicated this could be a Nance frame kit.

How does a Nance frame kit fit an Edmunds jig?

Finally, ALL parties in this have ONLY good intentions, and wish to resolve this matter. I wish to establish that this region has at least one Edmunds 100" car EVEN if most of it has been rebuilt. I am also a fan of Don Edmunds work, and wish no hard feelings on anybody.