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If their ideas are inferior or bad for each individual track, the new group will fail all by themselves. (refer to the NST) No need to launch a campaign, if the options are as clear as you say.

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I agree with you Cristy, but I don't think it's going to happen. Promoters working together. What's that? I've never seen that happen and I don't think we're going to see it happen here. By allowing the ASCS type engines in the first couple of seasons, I think they are going to get a false sense of success. When they do go to their one off spec. engine, my thought is that the car count is going to drop. Why not go with ASCS type rules with a little tweaking? Jeff Swindell has been saying it for years. The ASCS rules are good, but possibly harden the RR tire and use a smaller top wing. I'm originally from PA and look at the success the 358's have out there. I hope the new series is a success, so I don't have to drive so far to see a good sprint car show. I just think they are going about the engine rules all wrong. Build a base with what you have around the area and right now nobody has one of their proposed engines. Just a thought from another dumb race fan!

Wing Slider

MSS Part II?

One of the organizers recently suggested that if their effort fails, that it will be because the race teams didn't support it. That's a great idea, blame the race teams.

If this new idea fails, it will be because their rule package failed to appeal to the majority.

I love it: Develop an idea that fails to address the real issues, or will make the situation worse, and then blame the competitors for their lack of understanding. Great job guys!

Is this the new cost efficient sprint car class Huset's is gonna add? I also hear they can run those engines some hundred nights before a refresh? If that is true, that right there is simply amazing. I just hope they don't run starters. That would just be plain stupid.

Cappy can talk to the other promoters all he wants. Even if he likes that new class, he has no power to just add them. Everything has to go through the Knoxville Raceway fairboard.

Jeff

Cristy,

Who are you? Do you live in the Minneapolis area? If you want people to take you serious then you should say who you are. Same goes for you pitnotes. But of course neither of you will say who you are. If you have constructive thoughts then go to the meeting this Saturday. Cristy, you have been reading Stan's board so you know where the meeting is.

"The Cedar Lake promoter is used to Mods that race for "free" and invite half their family to join them in the pits. "

Cristy, what do you mean Mods that race for free? I race a Midwest Mod weekly at Cedar Lake Speedway and I have never raced for free. I have raced CLS since 2005 and have never heard of any class racing for free. So please explain what you meant.

"It's no wonder the Cedar Lake promoter is on board."

You obviously don't understand or know the whole situation regarding this new class. I am not going to fight about it online but I do want to clarify somethings that you are saying. The guy behind this idea was a part owner of CLS. He no longer has any ownership of CLS. He is trying to convince tracks to come on board and not the other way around. If you are going to yak online at least know the situation.

pitnotes,

Feel free to write another degrading message about me and then delete it. I am not going to respond to either of you. How can you be vocal about a group that hasn't even had their first meeting yet? Have a wonderful day, Cristy. Oh, and you too, pitnotes.

Chad Patterson

Minneapolis, MN

What financial commitment is not risky business now a days? Come on seriously.. quit your bitching on the message board and express your concerns at the meeting, bashing the idea on here is going to get nowhere. I think this is a great idea, get more racers interested in sprint cars and help them get their feet wet and then hopefully send them on their way to a bigger and better class of sprints.

What about the 305 class in Iowa and the 317 class at Jackson, or the IMCA class at Arlington and Redwood Falls? I thought these where suppose to be the economical class in sprint car racing?

Sigh........I was going to bypass this message but being a close, personal friend of the man who is trying to do something good for the sprint car racers and fans in the Twin Cities I simply can't let you belittle him or the others who would like to support this concept. The idea, again, which I know you have read and obviously don't understand, is to give Twin Cities area racers an opportunity to run their car without buying a 20K motor and without driving 200 miles to race it. You have had numerous invitations to attend their first meeting Christy so please do so. If it is that important for you to rally tracks and promoters against this concept it surely must mean enough to you to attend. I am sure there are lots of people who will be there, like Chad, who would love to meet you and hear what you have to say.

What does one say in a deal like this. First off, Cedar Lake Speedway Promoters has nothing to do with the UMSS. All I can say is we had 3 360 sprint car shows within 140 miles of the Twin Cities in 2008. As of Oct, 19, 2008, We could havea possiblilty of having booked 8 times that amount of shows for 2009 already. We don't need that many. If we have a total of 12-15 shows, along with the other shows (IRA,WoO, Jackson Specials,ASCS) in the area, that will be enough. It will be a while before the final list comes out, we have to figure out what the IRA, Jackpot Junction Tour and Jackson Speedway are doing with their bigger shows. So that we don't book against them. Some of you people think we are out to take over sprintcar racing in the upper midwest, we're not, we're here to fill in where we need to so that we can see sprint cars is this area without having to travel 150-200 miles.

As for those who think the rules are so much different, They are really no different then the rules they are running at Arlington, ASCS motors sleeved down. Yes there is a basic UMSS motor in the works, just like the MSA in Wisc, it worked for them. Why can't it work for this area?

As for the tire, we know what tires is going to be used, that will all be announced at the meeting.

So my suggestion is, come to the meeting, bring your suggestions.

Think about this, 12 - 15 sprint car shows and some non-wing shows with restricted motors around the Twin Cities is better then what we have been having. 1 show that got rained out 2 times this past season.

What stake do you have in all this and why is it such a big deal to you? Maybe you are an owner, promoter or sponsor who feels financially threatened by this? Personal vendetta? Not arguing or taking a shot, I'm just curious... Like Chuck said, there are very few opportunities to run a 360 car around our area and this is a void that they are trying to fill. Arlington and ASCS cars (what few there are) will be legal with minor mods and with whatever tire they decide to go with. One of the big points is that there is interest outside of the current tiny group of people in our area who already race sprint cars and that is where they are hoping to grow. There is no intent to compete with any series or track already running sprint cars. To all you promoters that Cristy mentioned above, I am sure your experience, insight and business savvy would be input much appreciated by a new group trying to promote sprint car racing!

      OK Cristy- Here goes....I live in S.D., and am not a "close personal friend" of anyone involved.  What, exactly, is the problem, with a group of racers trying to make things better for themselves?  Sprint car racing is trying to price itself right out of the market.  If someone doesn't come up with an affordable alternative, the high price of racing will kill the sport.  I bet a lot of people tried to squash the WoO before it got on it's feet.

     Isn't this similar to how IMCA started in 1979?  Someone wanted to try something different.  They didn't do to bad by the sport.  Why despise someone who is trying something different?

     How can you say "stop making this personal", if you started a thread, asking promoters to kill something that hasn't even been started yet?  Do you ask that no more restaurants be built in your state, because you already have many?

     If they fail, they fail.  This is America.  You are allowed to fail, but you are also allowed to try.

     "$20,000 engines":  It doesn't matter what that magic number is actually.  Right now, the cost to race a sprintcar seems to be almost too high to be supported at a local level.  That, is what these people seem to be trying to work on.

Two questions. Where are you located and are you coming to the meeting? Somebody needs to buy you a beer because you're way too worked up about this.

The "Settlement" 1.5 miles north of Somerset, Wisconsin, next Saturday Ocbtober 25th at 11:30am. Please RSVP to ChuckP so they know how many people will be there. A cold beer will be waiting for Christy.

Stan Meissner

what large engine requirements are going to fold up a ASCS motor if it is altered to compete? remembr a RR is about $180, methanol is $4 a gal,(so I hear some regions), a motel room is $90(aprox in Minneapolis), Highway fuel (was at a all time high during racing season), most teams travel in a toter, or $35K pickup with a trailer to match $! , I personaly dont think engine rules will effect exhisting or "grounded" teams, let it go, it might be something you like? Im guessing theres details your lacking to tell honestly?

I'm just a fan, so maybe I shouldn't be responding at all.  I'm still on the fence.  Is this a good idea or not.  Everything has to start somewhere.  I guess there is a series in Wisconsin that already runs a very similar rules package.  Look at what the IMCA has done with the modified division.  Maybe the same thing can happen with this.  The series in Wisconsin has proven that this can succeed.  I guess time will tell.  As many have said, we all need to wait and see what comes out of their meeting this weekend.  All I have to say is that it's better than nothing.  At least somebody is trying to bring sprint cars to the Twin Cities on a constant basis.

Wing Slider

Cristy, Whom ever you are, Why don't you call Kelly Wesmar, Justin Zoch, Jon McCorkell, and others and start calling the other 360 teams. Then come to the meeting Saturday and introduce yourself in front of everyone and tell everyone what you got out of talking to those people and if it makes any difference in what we at the UMSS are doing. The UMSS has a plan and we are sticking pretty close to it.

Anyway, I can get you Justin Zoch and Jon Mc Corkell's phone number if that would help. I"m sure if you call Knoxville's main office, they can get you intouch with Cappy.

I really didn't want to write something like this but: if you don't like what the UMSS is doing, stay away. We don't need fans like you. No race track needs a negative person like you.

And I'll even pay for it Stan, cause boy with all his know how, I want some of that.

I dont think it is a "set of rules" rather than a "accomidation to midwest racers" point being, Our local sprint series is labled as "outlaw"

Q: so, are the cars competing localy a outlaw caliber (WoO)? A: no, definetly not!

Q: can a carborated 283 race with a full blown 900hp 410? A: yes!

ya see, if you have it, than bring it, run what youve brung ,is that OK? does the casual fan care? does the blue collar racer care? everybody has a opinion,

Ill leave with this being said,

I attend races up here in the midwest, I love sprints, tolerate doors, and hate asphalt!, If I can get a open wheel dirt show closer to my front door,(with a iron block, mind you) than bring it on! , the Posi has it made, and makes me jelous. Hey there- Humm- 358?

Have fun with the big boys but I don't know how they're going to "handle" this and doubt that they even want to get involved. If this promotes interest in Sprint Car racing it can only benefit places like Knoxville in the long run by giving guys up here a place to start. The 360 racers I know around my area had three races 150 miles up the road at Brainerd and one race at Cedar Lake that rained out twice and was never run. A grand total of 3 races three hours away isn't enough to convince anyone to get involved in the sport. If you've ever driven from western Wisconsin or the east Metro to Arlington you'll understand that it's not local to the people over here. Look at the Arlington results and you'll see that 99% of the people that race there are from the west Metro, Mankato, St. Peter and down that way. Check out the Cedar Lake, Kopellah and Red Cedar results and you'll see they race out of the east Metro and western Wisconsin. We could turn this around and say why don't the Arlington Midwest Modifieds run in western Wisconsin. Location, location, location...

On the other hand, the people I know that own Late Models, Modifieds, Midwest Modifieds and Super Stocks can race three nights a week within an hour and a half of home. Cedar Lake, Kopellah, Red Cedar, Rice Lake, Princeton, and Jim Falls are just a few of nearby tracks. Seems to me that they could work something out around here for the Sprints without having any impact on the big boys.

One last note before I turn in for the night. I was talking to one of the promoters at the Legendary 100 (no Sprints at that one) and he mentioned that the theme of all the promoters workshops this year has been "building a strong local program." Promoters recognize that the economy is not good and that touring shows are only one piece of their overall success. They've got to find ways to build a strong local program and get more young people involved in the sport.

Stan Meissner

Again, for the 8265th time, existing motors are legal, they are not reinventing anything at all. Jason Johnson can come run his 40K ASCS motor against Chad's midwest mod motor any freakin' time he wants. Lots of cars in garages and barns Cristy looking for motors. You can build this one for about 6K and you'll get around 600 ponies that will last you a long time. I don't think you can even get a trashed ASCS motor for that or even double that. I agree with you, the existing rules are fine! Bring your existing car and motor with the sleeves and come race. I am sure all 4 racers in the Twin Cities with ASCS motors will be relieved they don't have to trade their's in for a new one.