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pretty true description.....

when was the last time a protest was actually allowed? the pro stocks 2 years ago? 110 cars in the pits tonight - how many were legal? I guess thats a dumb question to ask ------- since just about anything goes at a Lanny Edwards track. no rulebook really exists...

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Amen, brother, fire crackers or not it seems that the Officials at Ain't Fair Speedway don't have time for protest. Hells bells they can't even keep Score. Cody you do a much better job of keeping track of who's who and their finishing position. For you to keep up with the fantasy deal amazes me. I was lost from week 1. Maybe that's why I'm doing so good in the fantasy league. lol

Yes 1 Protest and the outcome of those protest was ? NO competive advantage . just car parts scattered all over the stage, next week same thing , a car stripped to it's wiring and nothing wrong

HorsePower is Function of Torque

Who is gonna tech anyway?Most of the tech peoples aren't experienced enough to catch much.In micros a few years back I had a driver that "doctored "his fuel,after the race and the cool-down period was over,these officials checked timing advacers,ports then did spec gravity test with the fuel.Their results found the car legal.After we arrived back to the shop I told the dude one more time your done.I was later working on the car and found a timing advancer had been installed.I have thought it to be funny most micro tracks get engine builders to tech these engines,they all do thier fancy tinkering on them but if they tech an engine of theirs they'll pass it every time.Why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot?

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

So why was it when SFS puffed Michelle (sorry kids, I know that don't sound right) and she was found to be at 388c.i. the Track Officials said, "you need to look into that." No DQ, no nothing.

I guess we have Mexican Officials at SFS. When you try to approach them all they can say is, "I Don't Know Something"

That's too funny. Jew mus no what I said essay.

ok this thread just took a weird ass turn.

as long as the promoter wont even follow his own rulebook - then it is he who should be protested (and disqualified too).

thats the short version of what I would like to say.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

So are we allowed to run whatever we want? Are there no rules anymore, because that is what I am getting out of this. I'm sure I could be a lot faster with dad's old 410, some traction control, and some "exotic" fuel. Lanny and Tom have got to do something to get all of this under control.

388c.i. ??????

Well you will get DQ'ed for running over something on the track with 4 laps to go and knock your turn down & muffler off, that seems to be all they are concerned with is if you have 2 mufflers in your headers after the race is finished.... we got DQ'ed for loosing a muffler for 5th place, and last year Stanley won lost a muffler and was DQ'ed, if a racer is going to be DQ'ed for pete's sake make it for something illegal, that's my .02

Danny Waller Jr.
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Ok...that is just wrong. So next time they mention her name everyone should yell CHEETER!

The point here is that isn't an isolated incident. There hasn't been a legitimate tear down in so long (in the sprints at least) that this deal is starting to get out of control.

It has been well-documented by me that I am racing ignorant so that should still serve as the basis for this commentary. What I do know, at least a little, is statistics. Here are some from this year's super sprint division at SFS after 11 nights of racing ...

8 different A feature winners

18 drivers with at least one top 5, six with at least four top 5's

12 drivers with at least five top 10's

21 drivers with at least one heat win

1 driver is over 2,000 points, but a total of 7 are over 1,500 (and there would be more if people like Wood, Jr., and Neighbors had raced all 11 shows).

From a strictly statistical perspective, those numbers really don't support a lot of cheating unless most of the division is illegal. I also know you can make statistics say a lot of things and that stats may not transfer very well to a mechanical issue, but the numbers on their own point to decent parity.

"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

The Promoter's Guide to $$$$$ says "do your tech inspections after the race, you already have the money", Don't worry about the cars that shouldn't even be out on the track racing , Can anyone tell me why the SFS owns 3 roller packers? that never get used, a 1500 lb Sprint car just doesn't seem to work as well . the tracks up North use these packers and can get about ten heat races in before the dust comes up, they take 10 mins to work the track then and it comes right back to being sealed off. taking so much rubber it looks like asphalt.

HorsePower is Function of Torque

huh?

how do you determine who should or should not be on the track racing.

where do the packers come into this - have you been talkin to cheese? lol.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Kenny,

The areas that you can cheat on in a sprint car will only give about 50 or so horsepower. Now if you just don't care the sky's the limit, but most people try to cover up what they are doing so a half-assed tech inspector can't find the infraction. This 50 horsepower won't necessarily make you just a rocket, but it will make you faster, which in turn makes you more consistent. Consistency wins championships and more overall money for the team.

There are mainly 2 reasons that things are illegal.

1. They cost too much. (worked heads, big motors, traction control, etc)

2. They are not safe. (fuel, weight rule, only 1 u-joint on the driveline, etc)

With that said rules are rules for a reason, to keep the sport around. Now if someone is cheating and it is blatantly ignored then everyone will start doing it and the expenses will become unbearable. Unbearable cost during bad economic times = no cars. Another point is that I (along with every other racer out there) spend way too much time, effort, and money to get cheated out of a win, good finish, or making the A feature because of people cheating.

In order to stop all of this all you have to do is pull a head, send in the MSD box if they run one (the track would have to have one to loan to the racer for the next week), and get a fuel sample every few weeks of a few cars in the top 5. This could stop the cheating and the belief that you are getting cheated.

A car that gets DQ ed in a pre race tech inspection isn't going to be on the track to race against. IMCA does random tech inspections as cars come off the trailers.It will really change ones thinking about taking a chance. Kind of a "do you feel lucky", thing , : about a month ago they had to use one of those packers to fix the ruts in 2/3 turns, after they finished {about 15 mins} you couldn't break a tire loose in the back straight away at full throttle.

HorsePower is Function of Torque

Easy there Dyno Tom, calm down! Its ok I will personally talk to the little jew about the roller thingy. Dont blow a head gasket. Besides, these guys like dry slick just axe dem.

There will always be some at any track that will cheat.Some just for the rush of not getting caught,while others just want that extra security of a win.I dont know about SFS but @ i-44 some of them fools are doing stupid stuff to their engines,tires,ignitions and or fuel.The funny thing is this track will be slick from about May through Oct the extra hp or torgue does'nt have much effect except in the heats.The only thing I ask is, please do not use propylene oxide in your fuel.That shit is to dangerous to be around.At least consider the peoples around the pits and the fans in the stands that may have sinus problems like myself,or even worse that old guy that usually sets on the front row in the stands wearing a respirator.Better yet dont cheat,an earned win lasts longer.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

Those classes don't have many rules because they can't get hooked up enough for hp to really matter. They run 410 sprints with 900 horses and there are still complaints that they are too hooked up.