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hey I know it was posted some time ago - but I didn't look it up and don't want to scrounge thru old pages ------ what is the BEST website for Australian Sprint Car News and Results??????
thanks in advance................
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http://www.openwheeltimes.com/
A great site to look up all sorts of stats from. I know Kevin is always open to more sponsors for his great site as well.
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Or to put it completely and clickable, http://www.sprintcarworld.com.au
Definitely a great site.
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ok so is World Series Sprints the main (biggest) sprint tour in AU? kinda like their WoO?
and Tyrepower PCR is like their biggest track so to speak? like US Knoxville or Williams Grove?
from everyting I've read it seems TPCR is their #1 track all things considered. No offense to fans of other tracks there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
what tracks or series there are 410ci?
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on November 18 2007 at 08:30:34 PM
ok so is World Series Sprints the main (biggest) sprint tour in AU? kinda like their WoO?
and Tyrepower PCR is like their biggest track so to speak? like US Knoxville or Williams Grove?
from everyting I've read it seems TPCR is their #1 track all things considered. No offense to fans of other tracks there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
what tracks or series there are 410ci?
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Though I've followed sprint car racing in Australia the past two U.S. winters, I'd like some of the same info OKCFan12 asking about. Also, is Ian Madsen any relation to Kerry Madsen, He's running pretty strong down under.
Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on November 18 2007 at 08:30:34 PM
ok so is World Series Sprints the main (biggest) sprint tour in AU? kinda like their WoO?
and Tyrepower PCR is like their biggest track so to speak? like US Knoxville or Williams Grove?
from everyting I've read it seems TPCR is their #1 track all things considered. No offense to fans of other tracks there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
what tracks or series there are 410ci?
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World Series is the biggest tour Starts in Perth Finishes in Brisbane
TPCR is regarded as the Knoxville
410 is now the main DIVISION Country wide
Lets say Saldana Schatz Kinser Meyers and so on are all Parramatta based
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Posted By: jeff24 on November 18 2007 at 10:02:21 PM
Though I've followed sprint car racing in Australia the past two U.S. winters, I'd like some of the same info OKCFan12 asking about. Also, is Ian Madsen any relation to Kerry Madsen, He's running pretty strong down under.
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Ian Masden is Kerry Masden younger brother .Their father Joe was a Late Model Driver in the 70s and 80s
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WSS hits most of the states while all other states have there own series. Most states have 2-4 different tracks that they will run at during the season. Parramatta has the largest car count and run nearly every week over the summer. Most other tracks get around 20-30+ car counts. 3 states run 360's and they are getting more numbers every year. A bit of debate over there engine rule as it is not inline with ASCS or any other American series as yet. Steel blocks and steel heads. Most states have someone that has aligned themself with an American parts supplier. Adelaide has Maxwill motors who is a BR Motorsport agent and so on.
Most if not all cars on the WSS are WoO quality cars in terms of parts and motor wise. With only doing half the racers obvioulsy there is no need for teams to have 6-7-8 engines.
Most shows will run Quailfying, 2 rounds of inverted heats, a dash race of some sort, c,b and a mains.
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Thanks Chicofan for the link...
OKCFan12, we have a "Sprintcar World Quick Guide to Sprintcar Racing Down Under" which may be of some assistance to you. It has the map and locations of the major 'Sprintcar' tracks and shows quickly where everything is....http://www.sprintcarworld.com.au/guide.asp
For all the information on the major series down under - Wanless World Series Sprintcars - please visit http://www.worldseriessprintcars.com
Cheers
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Posted By: sprintcarworld on November 19 2007 at 03:32:56 AM
Thanks Chicofan for the link...
OKCFan12, we have a "Sprintcar World Quick Guide to Sprintcar Racing Down Under" which may be of some assistance to you. It has the map and locations of the major 'Sprintcar' tracks and shows quickly where everything is....http://www.sprintcarworld.com.au/guide.asp
For all the information on the major series down under - Wanless World Series Sprintcars - please visit http://www.worldseriessprintcars.com
Cheers
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OKCfan12 and everybody else Daniel has the best site by a Million Miles fpr Australian Sprintcar Racing
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much to my satisfaction there seems to be some folks here that know much of the Aussie SC scene.
I looked at the guide - which was awesome by the way - and b/c of interest it raises even more questions than it answers - which is a good thing. Here's a few more questions if you fellas do not mind.
Why do all the tracks skirt the coastline? as big as AU is that must be major miles (or kilometres) from one to the other. It's amazing that sprint racing has flourished there the way it has b/c the tracks are so spread out. How long a haul is it from the Perth area east to - I think it is Victoria's race tracks? also why are there no race tracks along the west and northwest coast between perth and Darwin? I know the WSS drivers go to most of those tracks - but do other Aussie drivers bounce around between all of these tracks? It's interesting - how it goes just around the coast and is so spread out......there must be a lot of good organizational work and coordination for benefit of all Aussie sprint racing.........
and funny enough I was lookin at airline tickets - man it's like almost 3,000 $$ round trip from Oklahoma City to Sydney......thats not counting hotel and stuff. How do these american drivers do it? Do they ship their cars there? I know some run AU cars like J. Johnson.......but what about the Outlaw guys? Seriously - how can they afford the cost between travel - getting their cars there- lodging - and then racing on top of that?
Finally - I have decided that if I ever win the lottery I will leave the US after Short Track Nationals in Little Rock and head to AU for 4 or 5 months and watch many many races, blow all the money, and never have to experince an actual winter for that year - since our winter is Aussie's summer.
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on November 19 2007 at 10:10:02 PM
much to my satisfaction there seems to be some folks here that know much of the Aussie SC scene.
I looked at the guide - which was awesome by the way - and b/c of interest it raises even more questions than it answers - which is a good thing. Here's a few more questions if you fellas do not mind.
Why do all the tracks skirt the coastline? as big as AU is that must be major miles (or kilometres) from one to the other. It's amazing that sprint racing has flourished there the way it has b/c the tracks are so spread out. How long a haul is it from the Perth area east to - I think it is Victoria's race tracks? also why are there no race tracks along the west and northwest coast between perth and Darwin? I know the WSS drivers go to most of those tracks - but do other Aussie drivers bounce around between all of these tracks? It's interesting - how it goes just around the coast and is so spread out......there must be a lot of good organizational work and coordination for benefit of all Aussie sprint racing.........
and funny enough I was lookin at airline tickets - man it's like almost 3,000 $$ round trip from Oklahoma City to Sydney......thats not counting hotel and stuff. How do these american drivers do it? Do they ship their cars there? I know some run AU cars like J. Johnson.......but what about the Outlaw guys? Seriously - how can they afford the cost between travel - getting their cars there- lodging - and then racing on top of that?
Finally - I have decided that if I ever win the lottery I will leave the US after Short Track Nationals in Little Rock and head to AU for 4 or 5 months and watch many many races, blow all the money, and never have to experince an actual winter for that year - since our winter is Aussie's summer.
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Same physical land mass as USA but vastly inferior population (i.e. 22 million compared to your 260m?) with nothing but inland desert between Perth and Adelaide across Nullabor Plains. Incidentally 'Nullabor' is aboriginal for 'treeless' as you can drive 100 miles straight devoid of a bend in road plus not see one tree! Something like 90 per cent of our population is located within 100 miles of the sea - mostly on eastern and south-eastern coastlines.
I worked on the first 14 years of World Series and, believe me, the state of our roads is nowhere like the quality of your Interstates so haulers take a real mauling. Nothing like giving an Amercian a fright by sitting him up in a cab of a truck and seeing his eyes wide open as a road train (C-Triple) roars at you with just a mere foot or two separating you on narrow two-lane road - driving on wrong side of your road. WSS is the OZ equivalent of WoO yet with what I consider a vastly superior fan-friendly format featuring time trials, 2 rounds of heats then accumulated points go towards dash, C, B, A etc.
Virtually all our tracks are exclusively quarter mile as we haven't converted from county fairgrounds like you. Most were set up as motorcycle (2-wheel) speedways that evolved to fit Midgets then Sprints with clay replacing dolomite dirt. Similar classes but in terms of popularity Sprints, Midgets, Sedans (Stock Cars), Dirt Modifieds, Mini Sprints, etc. Very few Showgrounds tracks left like old ghosts in Sydney, Brisbane and Perth which once ran to 30,000+ crowds during hey days in 1960s.
Now that we have (finally) embraced 410ci engines the ratio of cars per head of population is staggering with weekly car count at Parramatta (Sydney - Australia's biggest city) around 50+ rising to 75 or so when Outlaws Down Under is on mid-January. Then there is the Grand Annual Sprintcar Classic at seas side resort of Warrnambool which is more akin to the Knoxville Nationals, although Kville's 8,500 population is way short of Wbool's 26,500.
Lots of miles between major tracks, summer season down under runs between October thru April. No snow anywhere, lots of drought conditions, similar climate in summer to Mid West, mild winters, great beaches, wide open spaces and so on. Light switches operate opposite direction (down for on), water swirls in different direction down here, stars in night sky totally different, food is culture shock for you guys. In other words, get your act together, save hard and come on down for a while.
We don't bite - but then we have sharks, spiders and lots of wild life that does!
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on November 19 2007 at 10:10:02 PM
much to my satisfaction there seems to be some folks here that know much of the Aussie SC scene.
I looked at the guide - which was awesome by the way - and b/c of interest it raises even more questions than it answers - which is a good thing. Here's a few more questions if you fellas do not mind.
Why do all the tracks skirt the coastline? as big as AU is that must be major miles (or kilometres) from one to the other. It's amazing that sprint racing has flourished there the way it has b/c the tracks are so spread out. How long a haul is it from the Perth area east to - I think it is Victoria's race tracks? also why are there no race tracks along the west and northwest coast between perth and Darwin? I know the WSS drivers go to most of those tracks - but do other Aussie drivers bounce around between all of these tracks? It's interesting - how it goes just around the coast and is so spread out......there must be a lot of good organizational work and coordination for benefit of all Aussie sprint racing.........
and funny enough I was lookin at airline tickets - man it's like almost 3,000 $$ round trip from Oklahoma City to Sydney......thats not counting hotel and stuff. How do these american drivers do it? Do they ship their cars there? I know some run AU cars like J. Johnson.......but what about the Outlaw guys? Seriously - how can they afford the cost between travel - getting their cars there- lodging - and then racing on top of that?
Finally - I have decided that if I ever win the lottery I will leave the US after Short Track Nationals in Little Rock and head to AU for 4 or 5 months and watch many many races, blow all the money, and never have to experince an actual winter for that year - since our winter is Aussie's summer.
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and funny enough I was lookin at airline tickets - man it's like almost 3,000 $$ round trip from Oklahoma City to Sydney......thats not counting hotel and stuff. How do these american drivers do it? Do they ship their cars there? I know some run AU cars like J. Johnson.......but what about the Outlaw guys? Seriously - how can they afford the cost between travel - getting their cars there- lodging - and then racing on top of that?
According to Parramatta City Raceway .Its cost the promotors 500,000 to bring 15 cars down for the Outlaws Down Under that includes Shipping Hotel Airline .The car are shipped down in shipping containers and are stored on track or in an adjacent property until the Outlaws arrive .Mosts cars are on sold to new owners
Kinser cars to Farrell and Brazier and so on maybe someone can come up with the full list where the cars go
Schatz drives for Garry Rush .Masden for Jeff Leisk .Tatnell for Krikke Motorsports
Keep asking try to give you answers
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Sprintcarworld (Daniel), You're welcome. I visit your site several times a week during your season. Are you by any chance Daniel Heard who takes and posts a lot of photos during ODU? There was great photo coverage provided for the ODU on your site..
To partially answer OKCFan12's question about finances, starting with the first Outlaws Down Under (ODU) promotion five years ago, Brian Healey, the promoter at PCR brought 15 invited teams from the US for that 3 day show. Paid for the shipping of the cars and spares, airfare, the lodging, et al for the 3 days show. Then most of the teams sold their stuff there so didn't have to ship it back. Don't know if they got airfare back, but imagine that was part of the deal. So it was a January vacation adventure with 3 days of serious racing for those guys. The tradition has been continued and this year is ODU V. (Sorry for any dupication here, PCRFan2 - I wrote this before reading your post carefully)
Don't know if Brian makes a lot of money on the deal but it has certainly put Australia and PCR up front in the consciousness of American sprint car fans in the winter here.
Also, Brian has continued to invite the California team of Morrie Williams and the Zero Heros each year. Originally with Dennis Moore, Jr. driving and lately with Jonathon Allard (hometown Chico  ). I understand they will be there again this year. Wishing them Good Luck this year.
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Sprintcarworld (Daniel), You're welcome. I visit your site several times a week during your season. Are you by any chance Daniel Heard who takes and posts a lot of photos during ODU? There was great photo coverage provided for the ODU on your site..
To partially answer OKCFan12's question about finances, starting with the first Outlaws Down Under (ODU) promotion five years ago, Brian Healey, the promoter at PCR brought 15 invited teams from the US for that 3 day show. Paid for the shipping of the cars and spares, airfare, the lodging, et al for the 3 days show. Then most of the teams sold their stuff there so didn't have to ship it back. Don't know if they got airfare back, but imagine that was part of the deal. So it was a January vacation adventure with 3 days of serious racing for those guys. The tradition has been continued and this year is ODU V. (Sorry for any dupication here, PCRFan2 - I wrote this before reading your post carefully)
Don't know if Brian makes a lot of money on the deal but it has certainly put Australia and PCR up front in the consciousness of American sprint car fans in the winter here.
Also, Brian has continued to invite the California team of Morrie Williams and the Zero Heros each year. Originally with Dennis Moore, Jr. driving and lately with Jonathon Allard (hometown Chico ). I understand they will be there again this year. Wishing them Good Luck this year.
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Sprintcarworld (Daniel), You're welcome. I visit your site several times a week during your season. Are you by any chance Daniel Heard who takes and posts a lot of photos during ODU? There was great photo coverage provided for the ODU on your site..
To partially answer OKCFan12's question about finances, starting with the first Outlaws Down Under (ODU) promotion five years ago, Brian Healey, the promoter at PCR brought 15 invited teams from the US for that 3 day show. Paid for the shipping of the cars and spares, airfare, the lodging, et al for the 3 days show. Then most of the teams sold their stuff there so didn't have to ship it back. Don't know if they got airfare back, but imagine that was part of the deal. So it was a January vacation adventure with 3 days of serious racing for those guys. The tradition has been continued and this year is ODU V. (Sorry for any dupication here, PCRFan2 - I wrote this before reading your post carefully)
Don't know if Brian makes a lot of money on the deal but it has certainly put Australia and PCR up front in the consciousness of American sprint car fans in the winter here.
Also, Brian has continued to invite the California team of Morrie Williams and the Zero Heros each year. Originally with Dennis Moore, Jr. driving and lately with Jonathon Allard (hometown Chico ). I understand they will be there again this year. Wishing them Good Luck this year.
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Yes Chicofan, this is the same Daniel 'Beard' who takes and posts a lot of photos on Sprintcar World and Hoseheads... I hope you appreciate the photos as much as we enjoy taking them. We will be up at Outlaws Down Under 5 doing it all again....
Also these days doing the Wanless World Series Sprintcars website - http://www.worldseriessprintcars.com - and trying my best to get halfway near the job that JE did with the PR on that series for 14 years..
As well as SCW and Wanless WSS I also look after the site of a guy by the name of Steve Kinser - http://www.stevekinser.com so make sure you check it out some time!
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Yes Chicofan, this is the same Daniel 'Beard' who takes and posts a lot of photos on Sprintcar World and Hoseheads... I hope you appreciate the photos as much as we enjoy taking them. We will be up at Outlaws Down Under 5 doing it all again....
Also these days doing the Wanless World Series Sprintcars website - http://www.worldseriessprintcars.com - and trying my best to get halfway near the job that JE did with the PR on that series for 14 years..
As well as SCW and Wanless WSS I also look after the site of a guy by the name of Steve Kinser - http://www.stevekinser.com so make sure you check it out some time!
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Hi SprintcarWorld
Did this race ever happen?
$5000 To Win Non Wing Sprintcar Nationals
Author :
Rod Howe & the Northam Motorsports Park would like to announce the inaugural non wing
sprintcar nationals to be held at Northam speedway on March 31 2007.
It will be a $5000 to win event allowing all forms of sprintcars to compete, no engine rule, no tyre
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Same physical land mass as USA but vastly inferior population (i.e. 22 million compared to your 260m?) with nothing but inland desert between Perth and Adelaide across Nullabor Plains. Incidentally 'Nullabor' is aboriginal for 'treeless' as you can drive 100 miles straight devoid of a bend in road plus not see one tree! Something like 90 per cent of our population is located within 100 miles of the sea - mostly on eastern and south-eastern coastlines.
I worked on the first 14 years of World Series and, believe me, the state of our roads is nowhere like the quality of your Interstates so haulers take a real mauling. Nothing like giving an Amercian a fright by sitting him up in a cab of a truck and seeing his eyes wide open as a road train (C-Triple) roars at you with just a mere foot or two separating you on narrow two-lane road - driving on wrong side of your road. WSS is the OZ equivalent of WoO yet with what I consider a vastly superior fan-friendly format featuring time trials, 2 rounds of heats then accumulated points go towards dash, C, B, A etc.
Virtually all our tracks are exclusively quarter mile as we haven't converted from county fairgrounds like you. Most were set up as motorcycle (2-wheel) speedways that evolved to fit Midgets then Sprints with clay replacing dolomite dirt. Similar classes but in terms of popularity Sprints, Midgets, Sedans (Stock Cars), Dirt Modifieds, Mini Sprints, etc. Very few Showgrounds tracks left like old ghosts in Sydney, Brisbane and Perth which once ran to 30,000+ crowds during hey days in 1960s.
Now that we have (finally) embraced 410ci engines the ratio of cars per head of population is staggering with weekly car count at Parramatta (Sydney - Australia's biggest city) around 50+ rising to 75 or so when Outlaws Down Under is on mid-January. Then there is the Grand Annual Sprintcar Classic at seas side resort of Warrnambool which is more akin to the Knoxville Nationals, although Kville's 8,500 population is way short of Wbool's 26,500.
Lots of miles between major tracks, summer season down under runs between October thru April. No snow anywhere, lots of drought conditions, similar climate in summer to Mid West, mild winters, great beaches, wide open spaces and so on. Light switches operate opposite direction (down for on), water swirls in different direction down here, stars in night sky totally different, food is culture shock for you guys. In other words, get your act together, save hard and come on down for a while.
We don't bite - but then we have sharks, spiders and lots of wild life that does!
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damn dude - that was one of the coolest and informative posts I've seen on hoseheads. the race format there is great. as here it's either time trials and 1 set of heats - or 2 sets of heats minus the time trials. Driving - if it's like that I'm having none of it - I would take an ambien and hope I wake up at the track. lol.
Australia has got to be one of the most fascinating places to me. more so because throughout my life I've studied history and geography hardcore. and when it comes to geography - aussie has it all. and I would like to hear more of personal perspective on the wildlife there. You guys have some crazy wildlife. I'm not talkin bout kangaroos. I'm talkin about the crazy swarms of mice and more importantly - the WHACKED OUT spiders ya'll have there - including the funnel-web. From my readings I learned one of the most populated regions for the funnel web is western sydney and the outskirts. How do people there deal with that? Knowing that if that sucker bites ya you are probably a goner. And I also noticed that TPCR is in the western part of sydney - funnel webs around there too? I read those spiders have taken a liking to urban areas in sydney.....that whole thing really peaks my curiosity................
why are the roads in such bad condition? One would think around the populated coastlines they would be really good. not suprising to hear they aren't good in no man's land though. One other thing - what attendence do most tracks average there? and thank you for the quarter-mile comparison - as when lookin at track web sited it lists them all in meters - which loses me fast.
thank you all for the great replies - man this is really cool stuff............and another thing - if I ever came to AU I would definitely have to go to New Zealand too - which I hear has sprint races too. what are they like? I watched a show about this place in New Zealand - I can't remember the name of it which pisses me off - but it was about a highway that went through some very lush mountain area that also had glaciers, forests, vert short and steep cliffs and mountains. looked awesome. whats terrain like in AU by the coasts? any mountains and hills? or is it flat dry plains like where I live in Oklahoma?
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thank you all again for the great posts and replies. I enjoy reading them very much. any additional facts, tidbits, or thoughts are very welcome. great stuff.
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The two best winters of my life were spent in Aussie land. Of all the many tracks in many places I was ever lucky enough to see, PCR and Warrnambool rank in my top half dozen, some of the best racing I ever saw was there as well.
The Aussie hard core fan is as passionate as the Posse fan in this country and that's tough to compete with. Guys like Mr. Beard, Mr Evans and a few others put their LIVES into this sport and it's better because of them.
Aussie's by and large like to do three of the same things I have most enjoyed in my time on this planet, Drink/Party, Gamble and go Racing. The only negative, they don't let you wear shorts in some of their 'clubs', WTF?
If anyone gets to PCR this winter give a hug and a hello to Patti and Don at the Pit Stop Shop souvenir stand. They were my hosts for almost 6 months and likely the two nicest people I have ever known, love you guys! Take It Easy.....
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