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Being upfront; I have no favorite in this one. 
HOWEVER;  there is no way anybody should call that a racing deal. Seriously?

Gee tried outside and didn't work and went inside and kept going lower and lower... that was so freaking horrible. Just the cost and potential injuries is unreal.  
I know Esh must have known he was going to get passed so he "went for it"; but instead of wrecking both of them he could have maybe started on the front of the Consy and if he won it had a provisional for next years race. And before you say that the same could be said for Gee; it could but Gee has the run and the position. Should he back off?

And I don't know much about Posse rules but for Esh to be allowed to put a #98 wing on the #91 car just to roll out to collect his $1500 was total bs. Yeah, he started the main. NOT, In the car he started the night in... boy, I would be questioning my morals.

I'd have to see it from another angle, but it looks like hard racing to me.   Looks to me like Esh was a little loose coming out of the corner and was drifting a little low but was trying to straighten it out.  That's how the initial contact started.   From there forward neither driver was going to back out.   

He knew Gee was there and he trurned a hard left and drove Gee into the guard rail, never lifting or trying to straighten it out- desytroying 2 cars. Luckily no one was injured. That is as balatant rough riding as you will ever see and he should have been DQ'd for it. If I was Chiapelli, he'd never sit in my car again.

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Watch the video on youtube and slo-mo it.   Right before the initial impact, if you freeze it at the right moment, you can see where Esh is slightly loose and has his wheels slightly right.   You can see Gee very slightly tight with wheels pointed slightly left.  Two guys racing close and trying to straighten out their cars coming out of the corner and they got together.     

     To be fair, the only replay I can find is the one on Youtube titled "MASSIVE flip at Port Royal". That angle seems to show Esh going wide coming out of turn four and fishtailing just a little bit to the right. As the car swings back to the left, it's just a little bit ahead of Gee's car. When they make contact, it looks like Esh's left rear tire blows after hitting something on Gee's car- maybe the end of the front torsion bar? That blown tire seems to make Esh's car take an immediate left turn into the front of Gee's car, and both start flipping.

     Of course he knew Gee was there, they were side-by-side coming out of the corner. I can't see where Esh drove Gee into the guardrail, as Gee kept his line and never got close to the rail. I also didn't see Esh making a hard left turn- at least not on purpose. The blown tire seemed to cause that.

     Can anybody post a link from a different angle?  Thanks.

Do you guys realize how fast things happen at 100 + mph ? In the blink of an eye they were both into that point of no return. Sure the outcome was really intense. It sucks but cars can be replaced, if Stewart comes into that deal and can't get the 72 slowed it could have been a lot worse.

Sorry, don't see anything in this but two guys who both zigged when they should've zagged.  Who in their right mind would think either one wanted this?  This reminds me of the dumbasses who thought Larson pulled a dirty move on Bayston at Knoxville.  Sure Bayston can be pissed----he got taken out.  But to claim Larson intentionally rode him up the track and pounded him into the fence is stupid.  He clearly misjudged the berm, pulled a wheelstand, and when the front wheels made contact with the racing surface again, he shot up the track.  

He turned left twice down the straightaway and was blocking.  The LR is flat cuz he he turned down on top of Gee and ran over hisRF which lead to this dumpster fire.  This is why you hold your line down the straightaway.  It's a simple rule in racing and when it's violated this what happens.  This was just a needless bonehead move. 
 

    I'm not sure I can agree with you. How you block someone you're not in front of?

That's the way I also saw it. Boneheaded move on Esh's  part.  Drivers like that need an a $$ kicking.

Did he get one?

The wreck originated coming out of turn four, not on the straight because one car was a little loose exiting turn four.   

I agree. That's what I'm seeing.

It did orginate out of four once Esh turned down off exit. The loose you speak of is because he turned the car left and broke it loose as he was coming down to block.  Had he keep the car straight he would have been fine. Then he continued to push the 99 down the track.  Look at where they started on the straight away from a width prespective and where they ended.  The only way that happens is when the outside car runs the inside car down the track.  He kept running Gee down the track till he finally ran over his RF and all hell broke loose.  The 99 held his line and actually moved down to avoid contact.

Watch the video and the distance between the cars and who comes down the track, the 98.   

Peace out!!

You may have a point, and I think a head on angle might be more conclusive.   To me it doesn't look like Esh ever had his car totally straightened out.   

The group I was sitting with in the grandstand had a perfect view of the wreck from behind the incident.  And Esh  clearly carried the #99 down the track into the inside fence.   How many times do race fans agree on any incidents?    Well on this I say 90% of the people sitting around all were in agreement that Esh caused the big one. 

yeah i'm not sure why there's any debate about this.  we were in the infield off turn 4.  esh turned left to break gee's momentum and kept coming  wreck ensued.  done deal.  

only debate is whether that's acceptable racing.  it might be in stock cars with fenders.  i don't think it is in sprint cars. be a race car driver and do a better job getting a run off the corner so you can win the straight line drag race to the finish line.

Exactamundo! Anyone that sees this one any different must belong to the Jared Esh fan club. I actually like the guy(and his dad). He showed a lot of improvement last year but that was a boneheaded, dirty move plain and simple. I don't know anyone with 2 eyes can defend that. 1 of the worst and most obvious I've ever seen.

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So there has bèen a bit of discussion about dirty driving on various threads about various drivers. Do the sanctioning bodies orocal tracks ever suspend a driver for dirty driving?

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

This reminded me alot of the Fred Rahmer - Lucas Wolfe accident years ago.  If memory serves me correct, Rahmer got suspnded work a week from the Grove for this move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouk6_OExIGU