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cubicdollars
February 21, 2018 at 03:46:12 AM
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This message was edited on February 21, 2018 at 03:48:23 AM by cubicdollars

The FIA is finalising plans for a minimum Formula 1 driver weight in 2019 to ensure that heavier drivers are no longer penalised.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-minimum-driver-weight-2019-halo-997615/amp/


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



Murphy
February 21, 2018 at 08:23:14 AM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 21 2018 at 03:46:12 AM

The FIA is finalising plans for a minimum Formula 1 driver weight in 2019 to ensure that heavier drivers are no longer penalised.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-minimum-driver-weight-2019-halo-997615/amp/



OMG !!! FIA is *Fat shaming* their drivers! wink



Murphy
February 21, 2018 at 09:17:49 AM
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THe linked article actually has some interesting points about how race sanctioning bodies should be looking at things and working for improvements in safety and cost containment. The headline is a hoot as weel.



Eric Smith
February 21, 2018 at 10:25:43 AM
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I think all sprint car groups should also have a minimum around 1600.  Then I wouldn't be penalized for being a big, old, fat guy.


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linbob
February 21, 2018 at 06:23:28 PM
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I think all sprint car groups should also have a minimum around 1600.  Then I wouldn't be penalized for being a big, old, fat guy.



410 need to raise car with driver to say 1225 lbs.  The safety seats weigh at least double of what old seats did Things like tethers and TB resraints also add weigh.  To stay ahead of increase weight they buy carbon fiber brake peddle and more Ti parts.  Shave more weight of other parts and put new parts on more often before they break.



RodinCanada
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February 21, 2018 at 07:16:07 PM
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Headline makes it sound like the driver has to be a certain weight. Funny



oswald
February 21, 2018 at 08:37:14 PM
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410 need to raise car with driver to say 1225 lbs.  The safety seats weigh at least double of what old seats did Things like tethers and TB resraints also add weigh.  To stay ahead of increase weight they buy carbon fiber brake peddle and more Ti parts.  Shave more weight of other parts and put new parts on more often before they break.



I thought 410 class at Knoxville was 1400 lbs with driver minimum post race.



Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 07:35:48 AM
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     I checked out minimum weight in the WoO rulebook. That was an interesting read in itself.  WoO is 1400# with driver in race ready condition. How much slower would a 1450# car be? How much safer could a 1450# car be? How much more affordavle could a 1450# car be? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?



Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 07:51:20 AM
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     A couple observations after reading the FIA article;

FIA has Strategy Groups to study and discuss the important aspects of their sport.

FIA has a Technical Working Group that works with technical aspedts of their sport.

According to their new rules, the driver and seat together must weigh a minimum of 176#. How heavy is a good, wrap-around seat? Those drivers must be some little fellas.



linbob
February 22, 2018 at 01:53:27 PM
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Posted By: oswald on February 21 2018 at 08:37:14 PM

I thought 410 class at Knoxville was 1400 lbs with driver minimum post race.



you are correct I screwed up with my first grade math.  My advice is do not post on a subject late at night  when you should be in bed.



alum.427
February 22, 2018 at 04:37:36 PM
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12 pds. Why would that even be noteworthy ?  If I ever had the opportunity to go to see a F1 race. I'd rather stand in a rain shower under the bleachers. 



cubicdollars
February 22, 2018 at 06:05:36 PM
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12 pds. Why would that even be noteworthy ?  If I ever had the opportunity to go to see a F1 race. I'd rather stand in a rain shower under the bleachers. 



What is noteworthy is a sprint car is 200 lbs lighter than a F1 car


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 06:20:43 PM
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12 pds. Why would that even be noteworthy ?  If I ever had the opportunity to go to see a F1 race. I'd rather stand in a rain shower under the bleachers. 



     I suppose it's notewothy because that 12 # seems to be just enough to make bigger drivers uncompetitive. It's also noteworthy in my mind that their sport has groups of participants that are working together to better the sport and make it safer.

    My old bosses used to fly all overr the world to attend Formula 1races. I couldn't see me wanting to see one, but enough people do to keep it succesful.



Johnny Utah
February 22, 2018 at 06:25:50 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 22 2018 at 07:51:20 AM

     A couple observations after reading the FIA article;

FIA has Strategy Groups to study and discuss the important aspects of their sport.

FIA has a Technical Working Group that works with technical aspedts of their sport.

According to their new rules, the driver and seat together must weigh a minimum of 176#. How heavy is a good, wrap-around seat? Those drivers must be some little fellas.



Some are basically the size of horse jockeys. I'm exaggerating, but not by much. A couple of years ago some drivers were having health issues because they were cutting weight like we used to do back in the day at wrestling practice. I remember Adrian Sutil being referenced as one of the heavier guys and he only tipped the scale at a robust 165. 



Johnny Utah
February 22, 2018 at 06:30:41 PM
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This message was edited on February 22, 2018 at 06:31:20 PM by Johnny Utah

I definitely stopped watching F1 on a full time basis a couple of years ago. I'll still catch a race every now and again. I remember being a kid and getting up early (I was always an early riser) in the morning to watch events live. I can remember channel surfing and coming across the opening race of the 1992 season. I was hooked throughout the year and made sure to always be up. Because of that, I've always been a Nigel Mansell fan and my favorite car was the mighty FW14B.



RodinCanada
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February 22, 2018 at 11:04:59 PM
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If they are 165 to start a race i wonder what they weigh after sweating in the car for 3 hrs. Definetly unhealthy for most people.



oswald
February 22, 2018 at 11:14:16 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 22 2018 at 06:05:36 PM

What is noteworthy is a sprint car is 200 lbs lighter than a F1 car



And an apple is a different color than an orange. So what



alum.427
February 23, 2018 at 04:54:18 AM
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F-1. car cost, millions. driver salary, millions. races, boring as heck. yea for nascrap there not far behind.

Sprint car, 100 grand will put you in quality equipment with some spares, for a season probably 500 to 1 mill. driver salary, you better get up on the seat or you mite be hitch hiking to the next event

so after the last, lets just say 15 years, what has all this tech brought us. F-1, BORING. Indy cars, BORING. Nascrap, you would have thought they got the message, BORING. Foriegn drivers that we as americans really couldn't give 2 cents for. Why are some still watching nascrap ? Kyle Larson, Blaney, and a very short list of a few others. 

The tech they have let into the sport has become there downfall. Less cars, Less fans. But, the one thing they do have is the TV money. So screw the small family team that used to be able to do it. The millionaires are taking good care of auto racing are they not ? 



Murphy
February 23, 2018 at 07:25:54 AM
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F-1. car cost, millions. driver salary, millions. races, boring as heck. yea for nascrap there not far behind.

Sprint car, 100 grand will put you in quality equipment with some spares, for a season probably 500 to 1 mill. driver salary, you better get up on the seat or you mite be hitch hiking to the next event

so after the last, lets just say 15 years, what has all this tech brought us. F-1, BORING. Indy cars, BORING. Nascrap, you would have thought they got the message, BORING. Foriegn drivers that we as americans really couldn't give 2 cents for. Why are some still watching nascrap ? Kyle Larson, Blaney, and a very short list of a few others. 

The tech they have let into the sport has become there downfall. Less cars, Less fans. But, the one thing they do have is the TV money. So screw the small family team that used to be able to do it. The millionaires are taking good care of auto racing are they not ? 



F-1 has always been a league for millionaire playboy owners. Which small family teams used to race F-1?


My point is this: Even though it's a millionaire's club, they have some people working on ways to improve competitiveness and safety. In our sport, we just have one little group with power (WoO) dictating things for the rest of the sport. Quite honestly, I feel that arrangement is causing our sport to decline. Sprint car racing is being dictated by what is good for the WoO.



blazer00
February 23, 2018 at 10:07:15 AM
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F-1 has always been a league for millionaire playboy owners. Which small family teams used to race F-1?


My point is this: Even though it's a millionaire's club, they have some people working on ways to improve competitiveness and safety. In our sport, we just have one little group with power (WoO) dictating things for the rest of the sport. Quite honestly, I feel that arrangement is causing our sport to decline. Sprint car racing is being dictated by what is good for the WoO.



Too bad track owners and promoters are so independant. What if (one of my very few) the top five to ten sprint car tracks gathered together with a group of drivers/teams and came up with their own rules package? Would that force the WoO to relenquish some of their power/control and conform to what the tracks want? Maybe that's what it takes to get sprint car racing to a better level. You're right Murphy, and the WRG/WoO are only looking out for their interests, which I think is actually short sighted.





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