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It's happened to Meyers, Saldana and I'm sure more just can't remember. It blows! These guy's blow a tire and can't make it out. Come on, and the reason is what? It's a rediculous rule change. They can't think of other ways to speed up a racing event? If it's major stuff fine but if it's a tire you have to let them change it and get back out. Regardless of who it is local or Outlaw.

I don't care what the rule is, as long as the WoO officials apply their judgement consistently. All a fine would do is further penalize the local, smaller budget teams. The big teams can afford to pay almost any fine, anyway.

It seems to me that almost every Outlaw has been caught up in this rule this year, so I don't see anything unfair here..

Chuck.....

5 Laps! Don't smack the wall and you won't have the tire problems they recently had.

Are you sore because Meyers lost the point lead at Eldora? Remember, the rule is there for everyone, including Schatz.

It takes a better driver to keep the car off the wall.

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They implement stupid rules like this to "speed up the program", but allow incompetent promotors to completly rework a track after qualifying. It's like the blind leading the blind.

The fact that rule is for everyone is not the point. Change it and let these guys finish the race. People come to see these guys race and their new rule's with the halfway point and five lap rule suck.

Yes, my thought too was it reduces the chance of fuel stops with less yellow laps.

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Here's my thoughts.

Don't wait for anybody for anything. If the car is not ready when the lineup is complete thats just Too BAD. If they don't wait for repairs it rewards those who don't wreck equipment = $ saved and time saved.

Speeding up a program would drastically help with recruiting the next generation of fans. People with kids do not enjoy sitting in the stands until midnight watching the yellow flag laps accumulate. Pay attention to people who get up and leave before races are over sometime, most of them have kids along. Do you think that they want to miss the last race? I know there are several other places to save time and those need to be done also.

Waiting for everybody to change tires when a track is taking rubber is a recipe for a fuel stop.
Not to mention it just adds to the number of laps everybody is putting on their tires and increases the number that are blown.

The King's Royal a couple yrs back is a prime example of this. The 1st guy that blew his tire almost got back to the front of the lineup (finished 3rd I think) because everybody except 2 drivers changed the RR.

On track prep. If track prep would start before noon on the day of the race most tracks would hold up much, much better.

If you want to reduce fuel stops, tell the teams "no fuel stops PERIOD". How hard is that? If they were to do that, you would see the larger tanks being taken out of the attic and dusted off.

How many gallons do you suppose it would have taken to finish that Kings Royal a few yrs ago?

I'm guessing they would have had to have a Hazmat license and Placards on the side of the car to transport that much methanol.

You must be speaking of the King's Royal that made Hoosier's bottom line jump by 80%. That goes back to my first post in this thread. When track owners stopped working their tracks throughout the week and wait until the day before and after qualifying to do their track prep, we started seeing the tire problems. Also, the sponge tires we see these days aren't helping matters.

It all goes hand in hand. Piss poor track prep causes rubberdown. Sponge tires cause rubberdown. Rubber down cause blown tires. Blown tires cause yellows. Yellows cause fuel stops. Small tanks cause more frequent fuel stops. Are you starting to get the picture???

Sometimes, the obvious is slapping you in the face. They want to create better racing by limiting the top wing (costing everyone more money) and the RR tire, but then allow the teams to run an open LR tire. That's just STUPID. Go back to hard (and I mean HARD) RR & LR tires, let them run what ever 25sqf wing they want and tell them NO FUEL STOPS and the racing will be great again, it won't cost the teams all that money buying new wings, the tracks won't dust you out, and it will be like it was before half of you were born. 

I agree 100%. In fact I've been saying those exact same things to others for the past at least 5 or so yrs.

The wings, frames, motors, wheels, drive line, fuel and everything except the tires has changed very little in the past 15 yrs. So why mess with everything else?

If they couldn't get the hp to the ground there wouldn't be any need for a 900 hp motor that only last a couple races between rebuilds. Motor costs could and should come down.

Like you said just go back to the hard tires and put some water on the track.

I still don't want to wait for teams to repair equipment though.
Learn how to drive clean and be rewarded by finishing races.
Those who repeatedly take out others should be dealt with the way it used to be.

I cant fit a 28 gal tank in my attic , besides, my arms got sore,although I did look to see if a 33 gal was up there ? lol

Let 'em all race with what they put on the track. Pit stops are for Champ cars, sports cars and Nascar. Sprint cars are intended to race quick at relatively short distances. They are purposely built to endure hard racing and less tham perfect racing surfaces. They were originally driven by men of the same ilk, hard, strong, and fearless. While they have made them tremendously safer and easier to drive lets keep them somewhat reminenct of there past and race them as there were intended ....even if they have young boys and girls in the cockpits.

damn, when I first started preaching some of this 5 years ago I was considered an ass because I stepped into sacared ground.

Now I am just an ass because I try harder to be one. lol lol lol

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Nothing frustrates me more than endless yellow flag laps while a crew tries to get a tire changed or some other repair made in the work area. It's not just the five laps (or three, or whatever), its the two or three laps it may take to get him to the work area, and then another one to three laps to get everybody back in line for a restart after the repair is completed. All it takes is about two of these and you know you're looking at a red flag fuel stop that is going to take at least 10-15 minutes to complete. Especially on a half mile track, five laps can take a fair amount of time at yellow flag speed

It's true that we want to see the stars race, but how many people to you think really watch any of them pass five or six back markers after going to the rear of the field. If there is any action going on up front, most people won't even know he was back on the track. And yes, there have been exceptions.

Sooner or later, probably every drive will get a DNF and it will even out so there would be minimal impact to the points race at the end of the season.

And by the way, I fully agree with the track preparation and tire comments.

I have never liked any of the tire rules. Tire rules and sprint car racing, still doesnt make alot of scence to me. But if the rule is that you must compete on the same tire all night long, its the same for everyone. Are some of these teams running a softer tire trying to get an advantage and then having the tire pop? What happend Sunday night sounded like guys just bouncing off the wall causing their own problems. I still believe you should be able to put on any tire you can find, and run it if you think it is the set up.