Posted By: rpaulson on December 26 2024 at 10:24:28 AM
Late model 55, why so negative?
Did you read the initial Press release. "Over half of the events will feature $7,500 to win purses with four events paying $10,000 to win."
Since than, Jeff Knittel has moved his fathers memorial race to the ASCoC; that Purse is over $90,000
3 drivers have already commited. (See previous posts)
All tracks, that have posted their schedule, have listed their confirmed AllStar dates.
There is a nice points fund, just not made public yet.
Have a good day,
-Ross Paulson
Yes i have read it. I haven't seen a full purse anywhere just what it'll pay to win. Jeff always has done a nice job promoting his fathers race. That's all him with the ASCoC sanction but i'm sure they'll take credit for it. When will this secret point fund and series sponsor become public?
Late model 55, I'm not sure when Farmer will be releasing the points fund, you will need to check with him (let me know if you need his number). I see that they are now up to 5 confirmed members, and have announced $300 per event for member tow money.
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January 07, 2025 at
06:20:45 PM by RodinCanada
WoO have 87 events scheduled, HL have 61 and PA has 97 nights a 410 could race within the state. Just sharing. Maybe nobody cares but i was interested to know.
Last year many HL guys had 85 and up races while the WoO platinums had mostly under 70.
One of those PA winnets like Macri or Marks had 90 plus
Woukd be neat to know if a driver entered every PA event what their top money could be and low money would be guaranteed at.
Even though I may not know you, I
care what most of you think!
Posted By: RodinCanada on January 07 2025 at 06:17:36 PM
WoO have 87 events scheduled, HL have 61 and PA has 97 nights a 410 could race within the state. Just sharing. Maybe nobody cares but i was interested to know.
Last year many HL guys had 85 and up races while the WoO platinums had mostly under 70.
One of those PA winnets like Macri or Marks had 90 plus
Woukd be neat to know if a driver entered every PA event what their top money could be and low money would be guaranteed at.
go on youtube and search for sprintcar unlimited 90 at 9 then go to 12/11/24 for some info
Description: After doing some research and putting pen to paper, I wonder why more teams don't run full time in central Pennsylvania? There are 35 to 40 shows that pay at least $10,000 to win, and the money is better than any other region in the country. We discuss it on today's edition of the SprintCarUnlimited 90 at 9.
I think the tracks in PA have a lot to do with teams avoiding that area. PA races so much and their tracks are pretty unique. Big tracks that take big motors and very solid local teams make it hard to compete in that area. Drivers have talked about the Grove quite a bit and how hard it is to figure out, some people don't view it as worth their time. There was a car owner from Ohio who talked about going to PA, he said they always felt behind the eight ball. According to him the locals had such a huge advantage, just because of equipment. Motors, cars, built just for those tracks plus crews and drivers that run those same tracks a 100 times a year. He felt visiting 5 times a year didn't do anything for them.
Description: After doing some research and putting pen to paper, I wonder why more teams don't run full time in central Pennsylvania? There are 35 to 40 shows that pay at least $10,000 to win, and the money is better than any other region in the country. We discuss it on today's edition of the SprintCarUnlimited 90 at 9.
When putting pen to paper, there are a lot of things to consider. It is pretty well documented that it takes thousands of dollars to have a 410 on the track for a night of racing. With that in mind, most of these races are a loss for pretty much every car-----if we are "putting paper to pen" to figure out the winners and losers. If trying to do the math on this, it only pays to win, or maybe finish second if purse money and travel costs are all that's involved. It's not though. These cars are put on the track by wealthy owners, big sponsorships, or the ultimate combination of wealthy owners with big sponsorships. The series, or schedule these teams run, is determined by their budget at the start of the year, not the track payouts. The purse is what a hired gun driver is aiming to take a percentage of. Purses aren't paying any bills.
So if a team wants to run all 90 races in PA, they're gonna need money! They're not racing for the money. They're racing with it. They need the funds to travel to, and compete in all 90 races. You will only find wealthy owners doing this, or owners that can land some big sponsorship dollars and partners. When it comes to big sponsorship dollars like NAPA for example, do you think they want to advertise their product for millions on a car that doesn't leave PA? No. They are gonna put those big dollars on a wing that travels the entire country or in a large region that carries their brand.
Your question is easily answered. "I wonder why more teams don't run full time in central Pennsylvania?" It's very expensive to run 90 races in an area where sponsorship dollars have a limited reach! This is why I laugh when I hear "he should run a true outlaw schedule instead of the WoO and make more money." Define make more money. These races are losing propositions for 90% of the teams running if only counting on the purse. When it comes to running a big schedule, the WoO, their points fund, tow money, and exposure to lure in sponsors is really the only feasible way to make it a business that stays in the black. The HL is right behind them and trying to also come up with a formula as well. Most of these owners aren't in this to lose or spend their own money. If Tony Stewart didn't care about TSR making money, he could send the 15 car to PA to run all 90 races. However, Tony does care. The car's on the WoO road to turn TSR a profit once all of the purse, points, tow, and sponsorship dollars are factored in. Doint the same thing in PA, would make him lose his ass.
Posted By: egras on January 08 2025 at 11:18:45 AM
When putting pen to paper, there are a lot of things to consider. It is pretty well documented that it takes thousands of dollars to have a 410 on the track for a night of racing. With that in mind, most of these races are a loss for pretty much every car-----if we are "putting paper to pen" to figure out the winners and losers. If trying to do the math on this, it only pays to win, or maybe finish second if purse money and travel costs are all that's involved. It's not though. These cars are put on the track by wealthy owners, big sponsorships, or the ultimate combination of wealthy owners with big sponsorships. The series, or schedule these teams run, is determined by their budget at the start of the year, not the track payouts. The purse is what a hired gun driver is aiming to take a percentage of. Purses aren't paying any bills.
So if a team wants to run all 90 races in PA, they're gonna need money! They're not racing for the money. They're racing with it. They need the funds to travel to, and compete in all 90 races. You will only find wealthy owners doing this, or owners that can land some big sponsorship dollars and partners. When it comes to big sponsorship dollars like NAPA for example, do you think they want to advertise their product for millions on a car that doesn't leave PA? No. They are gonna put those big dollars on a wing that travels the entire country or in a large region that carries their brand.
Your question is easily answered. "I wonder why more teams don't run full time in central Pennsylvania?" It's very expensive to run 90 races in an area where sponsorship dollars have a limited reach! This is why I laugh when I hear "he should run a true outlaw schedule instead of the WoO and make more money." Define make more money. These races are losing propositions for 90% of the teams running if only counting on the purse. When it comes to running a big schedule, the WoO, their points fund, tow money, and exposure to lure in sponsors is really the only feasible way to make it a business that stays in the black. The HL is right behind them and trying to also come up with a formula as well. Most of these owners aren't in this to lose or spend their own money. If Tony Stewart didn't care about TSR making money, he could send the 15 car to PA to run all 90 races. However, Tony does care. The car's on the WoO road to turn TSR a profit once all of the purse, points, tow, and sponsorship dollars are factored in. Doint the same thing in PA, would make him lose his ass.
As I'm sure we're all aware...the way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a large one.
Posted By: UTRockets on January 08 2025 at 01:04:53 PM
As I'm sure we're all aware...the way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a large one.
Agree 100%. I can't figure out what "I wish they could run more races so they can make more money" means..................... If a sponsor makes a $500,000 agreement with a team to run 65 races, you become less profitable if you run 75. That's the only math that makes sense to me. Running those extra 10 races costs money.
Not to be confused with the hired gun driver. He (or she) wants to run as many races as possible if they get a % of the winnings.
Posted By: egras on January 08 2025 at 11:18:45 AM
When putting pen to paper, there are a lot of things to consider. It is pretty well documented that it takes thousands of dollars to have a 410 on the track for a night of racing. With that in mind, most of these races are a loss for pretty much every car-----if we are "putting paper to pen" to figure out the winners and losers. If trying to do the math on this, it only pays to win, or maybe finish second if purse money and travel costs are all that's involved. It's not though. These cars are put on the track by wealthy owners, big sponsorships, or the ultimate combination of wealthy owners with big sponsorships. The series, or schedule these teams run, is determined by their budget at the start of the year, not the track payouts. The purse is what a hired gun driver is aiming to take a percentage of. Purses aren't paying any bills.
So if a team wants to run all 90 races in PA, they're gonna need money! They're not racing for the money. They're racing with it. They need the funds to travel to, and compete in all 90 races. You will only find wealthy owners doing this, or owners that can land some big sponsorship dollars and partners. When it comes to big sponsorship dollars like NAPA for example, do you think they want to advertise their product for millions on a car that doesn't leave PA? No. They are gonna put those big dollars on a wing that travels the entire country or in a large region that carries their brand.
Your question is easily answered. "I wonder why more teams don't run full time in central Pennsylvania?" It's very expensive to run 90 races in an area where sponsorship dollars have a limited reach! This is why I laugh when I hear "he should run a true outlaw schedule instead of the WoO and make more money." Define make more money. These races are losing propositions for 90% of the teams running if only counting on the purse. When it comes to running a big schedule, the WoO, their points fund, tow money, and exposure to lure in sponsors is really the only feasible way to make it a business that stays in the black. The HL is right behind them and trying to also come up with a formula as well. Most of these owners aren't in this to lose or spend their own money. If Tony Stewart didn't care about TSR making money, he could send the 15 car to PA to run all 90 races. However, Tony does care. The car's on the WoO road to turn TSR a profit once all of the purse, points, tow, and sponsorship dollars are factored in. Doint the same thing in PA, would make him lose his ass.
Egres,
What experience do you have in regard to running a sprint car team, working on sponsorship deals, or working on annual racing team budgets ?
