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linbob
July 06, 2022 at 01:47:43 PM
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Government sent out billions of dollars during Covid 19 pandemic so companies could keep employees and be ready to reopen.  How much money did they get and what did they do with it?



Murphy
July 06, 2022 at 02:56:30 PM
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Does that even matter, if they can't get the raw materials form their suppliers?



brewer1s
July 06, 2022 at 03:49:24 PM
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In the case of one of those mentioned I have heard from a reliable source that it is not the materials it is manpower other higher paying jobs in the area    



Charles Nungester
July 06, 2022 at 04:07:57 PM
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There have been press releases by both companies that Nylon, One of the components to make structure of a tire is in short supply.  I know a couple NW teams that ordered tires over a month ago and still havent got them.



HoldenCaulfield
July 06, 2022 at 04:32:47 PM
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The guy from Hoosier said it's a lack of employees and getting new guys trained, not materials. Who knows about American Racer since 410's aren't allowed to even run them at nearly all 410 tracks and series.


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linbob
July 06, 2022 at 08:55:11 PM
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Does that even matter, if they can't get the raw materials form their suppliers?



Last oval track NASCAR race I saw couple of weeks ago each team had 32 tires.  They use nylon and hire people.  We can not buy 1 tire, not 32.



revjimk
July 06, 2022 at 09:41:59 PM
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A) Inflation & shortages are  worldwide, not just in the USA, so you can't just blame it on American government

B) No politics!!!!!!



RodinCanada
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July 06, 2022 at 10:52:17 PM
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Remember the days when you overcame problems by being creative or shop elsewhere., mostly because we were independant self thinking people. I actually miss that.

 

We have an air seeder manufacturer close to my home. When they don't like the price or availability of a product, they make their own. It works for most of their problems, I know it wont for all 


Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

alum.427
July 07, 2022 at 07:13:13 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on July 06 2022 at 09:41:59 PM

A) Inflation & shortages are  worldwide, not just in the USA, so you can't just blame it on American government

B) No politics!!!!!!



Sorry, I don't buy it. Let's go back to the gas shortages of the 70's. I had no problems because a good friend had a sunoco station, remember those before corporate giants moved in ? You could actually make a decent living, anyhow. His in ground tanks were full, he was told you can't sell any of it until we tell you, if so he would have lost the dealership. These corporate giants take every possible advantage to get around regulations that the goverment put in place because of what happened back then.  Corporations can control shortages today just as they did 50 yrs ago. Watch what there reported earnings will be at the end of the year, let's see how much they lost. Oil and drug companies make billions and it has a trickle down effect to everyone except the little guy. He dies, and it's happening to racing, prices are out of control 60k for a motor, 200 for a tire, that guy that could afford to have his own race team is getting smaller every new season that comes along.



longtimefan
July 07, 2022 at 07:28:00 AM
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I stated on here a while back what the problem is nationally and world wide and a couple of guys got their feelings hurt so won't say it again. It really is a simple answer and solution needed to start over two years ago.



hiroshimacarp
July 07, 2022 at 07:31:22 AM
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Let's go back to the gas shortages of the 70's. I had no problems because a good friend had a sunoco station, remember those before corporate giants moved in ? You could actually make a decent living, anyhow. His in ground tanks were full, he was told you can't sell any of it until we tell you, if so he would have lost the dealership. These corporate giants take every possible advantage to get around regulations that the goverment put in place because of what happened back then.  Corporations can control shortages today just as they did 50 yrs ago. Watch what there reported earnings will be at the end of the year, let's see how much they lost. Oil and drug companies make billions and it has a trickle down effect to everyone except the little guy. He dies, and it's happening to racing, prices are out of control 60k for a motor, 200 for a tire, that guy that could afford to have his own race team is getting smaller every new season that comes along.



exactly.  there is bipartisan support of big corporations because they fund campaigns.  oil companies are making record profits and everyone else is trying to make up for what was lost during the pandemic.  i'm sure there are challenges with supply and labor...but the old go-to for corporations is paint a picture of the lazy american freeloader who wants handouts without working while they bank huge profits. 

get us fighting about things that don't impact most of our daily lives too.  makes it even easier for us to miss the point.



beezr2002
July 07, 2022 at 08:20:15 AM
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A) Inflation & shortages are  worldwide, not just in the USA, so you can't just blame it on American government

B) No politics!!!!!!



Why do you think you are the law and last word of this site?  Just go back to answering your own posts that no one else cares about.



Murphy
July 07, 2022 at 08:22:50 AM
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For comparison-

# of places on the web where you go and argue politics and call people names: About 4 billion.

# of places you can go to discuss our passion of sprint car racing: About 1- this one.



linbob
July 07, 2022 at 01:58:05 PM
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Let's go back to the gas shortages of the 70's. I had no problems because a good friend had a sunoco station, remember those before corporate giants moved in ? You could actually make a decent living, anyhow. His in ground tanks were full, he was told you can't sell any of it until we tell you, if so he would have lost the dealership. These corporate giants take every possible advantage to get around regulations that the goverment put in place because of what happened back then.  Corporations can control shortages today just as they did 50 yrs ago. Watch what there reported earnings will be at the end of the year, let's see how much they lost. Oil and drug companies make billions and it has a trickle down effect to everyone except the little guy. He dies, and it's happening to racing, prices are out of control 60k for a motor, 200 for a tire, that guy that could afford to have his own race team is getting smaller every new season that comes along.



Tires are $315 at Knoxville if they have any--I heard a Shaver TSR Ford is $72,000



revjimk
July 08, 2022 at 02:39:28 AM
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This message was edited on July 08, 2022 at 02:41:14 AM by revjimk
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Posted By: beezr2002 on July 07 2022 at 08:20:15 AM

Why do you think you are the law and last word of this site?  Just go back to answering your own posts that no one else cares about.



Its pretty much a general consensus among posters & moderators to keep politics out of this SPRINT CAR site!

I didn't just come up with it myself.....

Furthermore, looks like the comment I was responding to has been deleted by the moderators... so there!

 



revjimk
July 08, 2022 at 02:42:11 AM
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exactly.  there is bipartisan support of big corporations because they fund campaigns.  oil companies are making record profits and everyone else is trying to make up for what was lost during the pandemic.  i'm sure there are challenges with supply and labor...but the old go-to for corporations is paint a picture of the lazy american freeloader who wants handouts without working while they bank huge profits. 

get us fighting about things that don't impact most of our daily lives too.  makes it even easier for us to miss the point.



Exactly....BOTH major parties!



Joe V
July 08, 2022 at 10:54:22 AM
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It's likely a supply chain issue.  I know getting any type of synthetic (like nylon, or rubber roofing) materials is impossible in the construction industry right now.  If you can get the materials, you can't get the bonding agents/glues. There's a big COVID hangover/hiccup in the materials manufacturing industries and their supply chains.  They've been really slow to spool back up after the global slowdowns.



MoOpenwheel
July 08, 2022 at 11:09:37 AM
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It's likely a supply chain issue.  I know getting any type of synthetic (like nylon, or rubber roofing) materials is impossible in the construction industry right now.  If you can get the materials, you can't get the bonding agents/glues. There's a big COVID hangover/hiccup in the materials manufacturing industries and their supply chains.  They've been really slow to spool back up after the global slowdowns.



This is where I'm confused. It's not just tires. It seems to be literally every industry in the world. Why is that? If labor is the hangup, like many companies say, where did all those workers go who kept things running prior to Covid? I just don't understand what's going on. 



fumanchu
July 08, 2022 at 11:31:09 AM
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California this weekend:

USAC / CRA double header Hanford and Tulare Cancelled due to Tire shortage , Water restraints and gas $$$

NARC Petaluma speeedway cancelled due to tire shortage

 

bummer.



MoOpenwheel
July 08, 2022 at 01:57:05 PM
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Yes apparently there are lots of ships waiting to unload. But what's the hold up? What's different now than 3-4 years ago when things seemed to be going pretty well. That's the question that no one seems to be able to answer. 



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