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So how many employees you think TSr KKR SMR have? How about Childress Racing? They are absolutely a business and their employees get paychecks like every other business. Not sure why you think they don't.
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November 21, 2022 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 21 2022 at 12:33:30 PM
Where are you getting the $30,000 figure and why is anyone at Flo sharing that info?
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Not sure where I read it, maybe Area Auto Racing News, a local racing paper in the Northeast. Or maybe it was in relation to what Flo throws in to Castrol Night in America.
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November 21, 2022 at
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Read your last sentence. Even you are pointing out that you're a dumbass.
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November 21, 2022 at
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Sounds like a great way to run off sponsors...
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November 21, 2022 at
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Posted By: SpcJay on November 21 2022 at 03:31:24 PM
One thing you'll see one the new Outlaws schedule is released is that the teams will likely be forgoing the traditional California swing and instead heading to Pennsylvania for an early season swing in it's place. This will help many of the teams with cutting costs and will go a long way in smoothing some of the teams concersn in regards to the start of the season. I also believe there will be at least a small bend in regard to High Limit where you'll see them at least able to attend a handful of the events. There are steps being taken to build a better relationship between the carowners/teams and the series.
Now......this will also create a big ripple affect within the All Stars. Because depending what happens up above, they could potentially be a place for the Outlaws to pick drivers from to fill out spots if drivers decided to go on a full Outlaw schedule. In those regards, you'll see the All Stars shortening their schedule by likely a quarter and raising purses to not only cut down on travel and costs, but allow their guys more freedom to persuade them to stay on should the offer to jump to the WoO come about.
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Port Royal has the WOO Latemodels & 410 sprint cars on the Sat. that should be the Woo sprint cars weekend in May At Williams Grove. I wondered when I saw that if there was going to be a change in the Outlaws spring schedule.
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November 21, 2022 at
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Posted By: SpcJay on November 21 2022 at 03:31:24 PM
One thing you'll see one the new Outlaws schedule is released is that the teams will likely be forgoing the traditional California swing and instead heading to Pennsylvania for an early season swing in it's place. This will help many of the teams with cutting costs and will go a long way in smoothing some of the teams concersn in regards to the start of the season. I also believe there will be at least a small bend in regard to High Limit where you'll see them at least able to attend a handful of the events. There are steps being taken to build a better relationship between the carowners/teams and the series.
Now......this will also create a big ripple affect within the All Stars. Because depending what happens up above, they could potentially be a place for the Outlaws to pick drivers from to fill out spots if drivers decided to go on a full Outlaw schedule. In those regards, you'll see the All Stars shortening their schedule by likely a quarter and raising purses to not only cut down on travel and costs, but allow their guys more freedom to persuade them to stay on should the offer to jump to the WoO come about.
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Where are you getting this information????
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November 21, 2022 at
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I was gonna disagree with Strawser as usual, cause this money is a loan, gets paid back, not "ripping off taxpayers" at all....
Until I saw this: "If companies follow spending guidelines such as salaries, benefits mortage interest, rent and utilities then the loan is mostly forgivable."
So now I kind of agree with him but for a different reason. Of course race teams are a business, & its good to keep people employed. But $17 million to Childress, Ganassi & Roush??? Just think of how many lives would be bettered if they used this $$$ to pay rent for homeless people this winter....
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: revjimk on November 21 2022 at 10:08:33 PM
I was gonna disagree with Strawser as usual, cause this money is a loan, gets paid back, not "ripping off taxpayers" at all....
Until I saw this: "If companies follow spending guidelines such as salaries, benefits mortage interest, rent and utilities then the loan is mostly forgivable."
So now I kind of agree with him but for a different reason. Of course race teams are a business, & its good to keep people employed. But $17 million to Childress, Ganassi & Roush??? Just think of how many lives would be bettered if they used this $$$ to pay rent for homeless people this winter....
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I know a couple local small companies that got over a $1,000,000. I don't see a difference between a racing based company , or a small manufacturing company. They all had to keep employees working.
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November 22, 2022 at
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It's called taking advantage of loans. It's the same as calling your business minority owned. There is, or was, because I'm not sure if there are still money's from the feds to support it, millions of dollars. A lot of minority individuals who got money made the claim we are starting a business. Look at the folks from india, these gas stations they own across the country were mostly bought with loans. Most of them are filthy, drive 95 on the east coast and stop, your tax dollars at work.
When omama care first came out, as a business owner you could apply for a loan to pay for the insurance for your employee's and then you could raise there deductible to help fund it. Over 49 employee's you had no choice. I had to go from 70 to 49 overnight. Omama care was a very wealthy proposition for the business owners that took advantage of it. HB12A followed and we have Spanish speaking workers everywhere. Those folks in blue in Washington keep giving America away and nobody see's it.
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November 22, 2022 at
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Glad you guys can turn this into a loan thread. What was the topic again?! n
Keep It Real
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November 22, 2022 at
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leave it to this forum to turn a thread about the 23 WoO slate to a thread about PPP loans. Next its gonne be about Port Royals track prep
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November 22, 2022 at
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Jmac is coming back correct?
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: turn4guy on November 22 2022 at 09:12:10 AM
Jmac is coming back correct?
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Yes and Zearfoss.
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: kvaughn48 on November 22 2022 at 09:03:29 AM
leave it to this forum to turn a thread about the 23 WoO slate to a thread about PPP loans. Next its gonne be about Port Royals track prep
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Typical hoseheads thread actually. Nearly all of them are largely off topic by the time it gets into the third page.
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 22 2022 at 01:25:49 AM
I know a couple local small companies that got over a $1,000,000. I don't see a difference between a racing based company , or a small manufacturing company. They all had to keep employees working.
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Agreed
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: kvaughn48 on November 22 2022 at 09:03:29 AM
leave it to this forum to turn a thread about the 23 WoO slate to a thread about PPP loans. Next its gonne be about Port Royals track prep
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I plead guilty... But Strawser made me do it! ;)
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November 22, 2022 at
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Your employer shouldn't have to be forced to pay your wages. Your pay should come out of a tip jar on the counter.
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November 22, 2022 at
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November 22, 2022 at
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A couple points of clarification...
PPP "loans" ended up being grants, as the loans were forgiven and didn't have to be paid back. Yes, professional race teams indeed are a business. That said, I'd love to know what sprint car team needs nearly $70k in "loans" to cover two months of "payroll". because I'm sure most people would be beating feet to work on that crew. And I don't even have that much of a problem with that...go get your free government cheese if it's available.
But don't be taking my tax dollars as a charity contribution to your race team with one hand while constantly peeing and moaning all over social media about how taxes are too high with the other hand. I'm not much on hypocrites.
Go ahead and search "racing" on the PPP tracking site. It was quite a welfare program for our sport for sure.
Examples:
Kasey Kahne Racing; $112,224
Tony Stewart Racing: $109,800
Mark Richards Racing (Rocket Chassis Late Models): $232,149
WIlliams Grove, Inc: $63,213
Sel-Wil (Lincoln PA Speedway): $80,478
And of course everyone's favorite punching bag World Racing Group: $1,712,000
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November 23, 2022 at
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Joe V, excellent job. See what a little research can do for you if you really want to know. Be amazed people, the government puts it out there for anyone to take advantage of it. You just have to know how to do it. Do I agree with it, NO, as most of you do not. But it's available.
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: alum.427 on November 23 2022 at 04:42:08 AM
Joe V, excellent job. See what a little research can do for you if you really want to know. Be amazed people, the government puts it out there for anyone to take advantage of it. You just have to know how to do it. Do I agree with it, NO, as most of you do not. But it's available.
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True dat. When you look also the major majority of the money went to salaries for those Racing Businesses (yes, businesses) that were shut down due to the COVID (should have/shouldn't have entire different arguement, but the FACT is they were). Those folks are not your weekend warrior race teams where they have 1 crew guy who checks the air in the tires and wipes mud off for pit pass money, they have many employees and employees to keep in paychecks.
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