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Which horse is out front?

That sucks. I don't understand why HL needed to get their grubby hands on the all-stars. If you look at the HL series, it started out great with high car counts and plenty of fan interest but both waned drastically as the season went on. Now they are basically ending a popular series that's been around for 40+ years. I just don't get it. Should have kept the series' separate.

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I agree eliminating the All Stars name from the sport doesn't sit well with me at all. They were the triple A series to the Woo now they split the full time traveling teams, none of the regional team that supported the All Stars are gonna tow out to the west coast. Splitting the teams is diluting the product for the FANS of the sport. No organization has done more for the sport than the Woo but here we go again with another group that thinks they can do it better 

Maybe the Attica Fremont Championship Series can rebrand as the Fremont Attica All Star Tour (FAAST).  Would that work around Copyrights?

That's because sprint car racing is a small part. They don't give one shit about the health of the sport or the future of the sport or the grassroots teams and fans that are and always have been the backbone of the sport. They care about how the sport benefits them. They see money to be made and they're here for it. If things ever get rough in the sport, don't expect them to step up. They'll walk away in a heartbeat because they've got so many other irons in the fire that sprint car racing isn't worth them ever bending over backwards so to speak. As long as there's easy money and promoters who are naive enough to give them their product for pennies on the dollar, they'll be here. But if this deal were to fail or if they don't get everything they want out of it, they'll bail on the sport and think nothing of it. 

Gonna be a real bummer when the only two to run the entire series will be Sweet and Rico and they take home all the point money... 

Im with fiXXXer though and have stated it before, High Linit has not been afraid to absolutely charge at the front gate. I believe we as fans will be financing this new money pit playground for the sprint car elite. If it's bad enough I'll stay home. Hope I'm wrong. 
 

Whats crazy is I have posed the question on here before about which is preferred as a fan: 5-8 high dollar races with total big names vs 20-30 + regular weekly type or lower quality series shows. Most pick would rather go to 5-8 shows. Just not my style. Knoxville weekly and local 360 sprint invaders at my local po dunk track shows often out perform WoO shows regularly (in my mind). You just have to take the time to get to know some different names and appreciate the good races. Way more relatable people than most on the national tours.

I live in central Pa and I prefer a regular show over a sanctioned show for one if you don't support the regular shows it might all go away and I'd rather spend less money and have just as good of a time. I don't need to see a "National Star" win from the front row.

it was cool seeing the ALL STARS come to my small towns of Jacksonville and Canton

Doubt High Limit will

HL is going to schedule the majority of there shows in pa, ohio, indiana and west coast. For the fans I say they need to get 10 followers on there tour. KL filled the seats at most shows but you need a supporting cast to go along with him.

This doesn't sound too good....

From TJ Slideways:

• It appears communication from the High Limit Series on some fronts needs to be improved drastically. Leading into the press conference I talked to two promoters with prominent All Star shows that had not received a single phone call from the High Limit Series during or after their acquisition of the All Stars. 

Early indications are neither of these tracks appear to be in the High Limit’s plans for 2024. It was my lead in question in the press conference, which Sweet responded to with a surprised reaction. 

“As far as promoters reaching out or talking. I feel like we’ve talked to, you know, hundreds of promoters. If they’re not reaching out to us, you know, we may be under the impression that they don’t want to race. But we feel like we’ve talked to, you know, seems like every track, you know, it just about the whole United States.”

Literally as Brad was saying this during the press conference, I was receiving a text from one of the promoters I inquired about confirming that nobody else on his staff received a call from the High Limit Series. 

This coming from a facility that had hosted multiple All Star Shows on traditional dates for a couple of decades even caught me off guard. On top of that the FAST Series, who has been contacted to take over Ohio Sprint Speedweek, had not reached out to this same promoter to discuss that series taking over the event.

Wow, Flo is the devil personified to you isn't it? Why do you hate them so bad? 

I understand not liking something - as I said before, I don't like the Outlaws, DV, or Johnny Gibson, but damn. What exactly are you basing all of your accusations above on?

"They don't give one shit about the health of the sport or the grassroots teams and fans that are and always have been the backbone of the sport" - and Dirtvision does? How? By charging double what Flo does? Giving us "thrilling" tracks like Sharon and the Grove? Creating a rival non-wing sprint and midget series against USAC, which by the way folded for the sprints after one year and is on life support for the midgets which struglle to darw even 20 cars? They created a successful mid-week late model series called "DV Night in America"....oh wait that was Flo trying to grow dirt racing.

Sit back and take a deep breath my friend (and others here). It will all be OK. You haven't lost your beloved Outlaws or DV, Ohio Sprintweek will continue, and the sun will come up tomorrow. The worst that's happened to you Outlaw homers is that you've lost a few teams like Sweet. You still have Gravel, Macedo, probably Shark racing. So your pool of guys that could win on any given night now drops from maybe 5 down to 4. 

From what I see and read there are plenty of fans who are excited about HL. The support will be there in the stands. Don't watch or attend if this aggrevates you and others so badly. It will all be OK.

And I'm sure there will be new tracks on the HL schedule that were never on previous All Star schedules/tours to begin with.

Everyone is now all of the sudden upset that the All Stars are "gone", yet I can remember All Star shows through the past couple of years that had half-empty stands. Where was all this sudden love and support for the All Stars then? Even one of the all-great central PA tracks dropped them this past season (Lincoln).

Give it a little time to work it's way out. Neither sanctioning series has even released their 2024 schedules yet. 

Finally, do people not think Tony Stewart would have sold the All Stars to someone else if Sweet/Larson hadn't bought it? Or did Sweet/Larson hold a gun to his head and force him to selll to them. Who's to say the next buyer in line wouldn't have been someone like Guy Webb?

Thanks Kyle.

Can't have a logical discussion, resort to smartass comments.

What track are you talking about specifically? Are you talking about a track that hosted a Speedweek race in the past? In Aaron's press release it was stated that all tracks who hosted a Speedweek race will be offerred a Speedweek race in 2024, and that several other tracks had expressed an interest in a Speedweek race should a date come open.

Sincerely, 

YungMoney

As long as the promoter made money and it was worth their effort it wouldn't matter how full the stands actually were. Maybe they only need 2000 butts in the stands to actually turn a profit. Byle (new buzzword for Brad and Kyle) bought the series, chopped it up into little pieces, kept the parts they wanted and are going to throw the rest in garbage. Tony isn't any better, he sold the ASCOC knowing this would be the end. 

More from TJ Slideways....

If I were obtaining a business one of the first things I would want to do is to reach out to customers, even ones I didn’t plan on doing business with. No matter what other associations with other series or partners the track had, they deserved a much better line of communication. 

It’s clear that High Limit obtained the All Stars, pillaged the races they did want, and left the rest to fend for themselves. A smokescreen from the PR spin of farming out Ohio Sprint Speedweek provides some shielding from the fact that multiple events outside of Speedweek throughout the region the All Stars covered will be forced to promote a lesser-known brand or just go unsanctioned. 

For full disclosure I did pass on the contact information for both facilities to Sweet after the meeting, but it shouldn’t have taken me doing that to facilitate the communication taking place.

What say you Kyle?

I wish I could agree with you, but....

I live about a 4-5 hour drive from any of the Pa. tracks, so usually only go to the "bigger" shows

One time (when I was still in Colorado) I hit The Grove at exactly 7 PM, Friday, on my annual summer migration to the East Coast. Whoopie, says I... regular weekly show. I'm sorry to say it was kinda boring

Nothing to say to you people who are deadset upon hating HL/FL/Sweet and Larson. Neither sanctioning body has released their schedules yet but that doesn't matter to you conspiracy theorists. Sprint car racing as we knew is done forever according to you. May it rest in peace. 

No wonder the modified (Northeast style) and late model people laugh at us. Nothing is ever good enough for you, and any type of change, even when it hasn't even played out in the slightest, is bad.

Not all change is bad. Nothing lasts forever - things change. Sorry. 

V/R,

YungMoney

Not according to me, I am quoting Slideways. The half-ass plan to lease out Speedweeks shows is not a good sign, nor is them ignoring previous All Star promoters. But we'll see how it plays out. 

Seems like if the AllStars are as big a thing in Ohio, etc. as people are saying, that some other group would come in and fill that void. That could be a new group, or an existing group. It could be in conjunction with H-L, or even in conjunction with WoO.