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The grandstand used to be very tight...does this mean they aren't anymore?

What policies and rules do you not agree with?

THe concessions at Charlotte are the same ones they have for the Nascar race, I have never seen the contracts, but I bet the concession contracts are blanket for the the whole facility...that's how those things usually work and WRG most likely has absolutley no control if you have a problem, email or call the RACETRACK.

That is the thing...they are not the promoter, they promote their series and their raceteams.  They offer promotional support to the racetracks, who are, to be honest, under no obligation to use their support and are the promoters of the actual event.  Every race track I have ever been to that runs local shows, has the same concession prices for their weekly race as they do for the WoO race.  What exactly do you think the WoO controls...if you think they control the price of the race at a track they do not own or lease, you are mistaken.  The prices are set by the promoter of the track based on the purse, the sanctioning fee (which is a set amount), and what they think they can make.  The only time WoO has any additional say here is when the racetrack uses the WoO ticketing system, which is relatively rare.  Port Royal used it last night, but most places do not.  Williams Grove, Knoxville, and Eldora never do.

How do you get creative with music played during warmups?  I think its fine, and most places play and do nothing during this time.

If you don't care for WRG, then fine...but why do you constantly talk about them.  Vote with your wallet and don't show up if you feel unappreciated. 

Wait, you would or would not get rid of time trials?  I don't want to make this personal, but it is really hard to discuss this stuff when I can't follow the train of thought in the post and the English that is being used.  If this is how your emails are formatted, then I am sorry to say, I think I know why you never get a response.  They probably don't take it seriously, presentation of an argument is important in getting an argument listened too.

I can't believe I am becoming a WRG defender, since I hate some of the stuff they have done over the years and are still doing.  Especially with the Dirt Modifieds in the Northeast,

Dude you're so wrong. I heard Steve O'Neil and Greg Hodnett discussing how they would rather have a show in the spring or summer but this was the only option. Look how many local cars would've been there if this show was in July that weren't there last night. Doug Esh and Chad Layton come to mind plus how many others? You need to quit your bashing of the WRG. They run a very fan friendly show and I always look forward to the Outlaws coming to town and apparently so do a lot of other people because the crowds are always good. You always bitch and complain because tracks aren't doing enough for the fans. Well here's an idea, why Don't YOU buy a racetrack and show them how its done instead of trying to spend other peoples money. Whether you thinks so or not, you bitching on a message board doesn't do a damn thing productive. Put your money where your mouth is.

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I hope if they run again next year that they run alittle earlier in the fall if they do a fall show. Yesterday was absolutely fantastic for the end of October, but those of us familiar with the area's weather know that yesterday was the exception not the norm as far as weather goes. 

Last  time  I  was  there  grandstand  was  tight  and not safe  if  a  large   crowd  was there ( at  Volusia )
  The  WoO  ran the show  last night  at  Port , so that is why  they had to use  the ticketing system.You do seem to making it personal  but I don't  really  care , you are entitled to your opinion . I  really don't understand why you are defending the WoO or WRG but I guess  you are   trying to prove a point .

  As   far  as creativity with music, it's easy , not during warmups , I said earlier during intro to heats -feature races , you like the way they do it  , I don't .It could be alot better and I like all  music. Perris Speedway does a good  job with there downtime  music or general announcing . If  I had the money  i would  be more involved , but maybe  I will  in someway   at one of the local Pa  tracks .

   No  I don't care  for the  WRG  racing , I prefer the wingless  racing  because  the driving is still in the drivers  hands , but I respect  our  local drivers and  have  a good relationship with them .

 No , I wouldn't  get  rid of  time trials cause  I guess  they are  somewhat  fair  to the drivers .  I'm sorry  you can't follow my  train of thought  , that  was  not there  reason for not  returning  my  letters or e-mails  ,  they  listen when you talk to them personally  but never  act upon fans  ideas or wishes  to improve  racing .

 Yes , you or  any  fans  ideas could improve the product , to some extent .  I put  my thoughts down on this message  board  to  read  fans  reaction or ideas to issues  which I feel are important .  But  it seems most  people  on here are  pro-outlaw  racing or in favor  to this style  of racing . Believe  me common sense to improve  the product   and rewarding fans for there  support  of our racing  is  easy , but not when the powers  to be  think its great  or  the fans keep packing  the  WoO style of winged racing . We  are  headed  for  more  teams getting out or  losing more  owners ,because of costs or just  not having  fun any more . The  whole  concept  of going  racing  was  completely  different years  ago and they are not ready  to take  a few steps  back  to improve  the  quality  of racing  , or the  expenses  involved .

It may be  productive  from  a  promoters  stad point  , but I do think  fans like  to see  high profile  events  later  summer or fall . This   I believe  is one reason for the  success  of  World  Finals . And  I am not bitching , I am looking  for people  ideas or feelings  or reactions  to various topics . And tracks don't  do enough  only   run the show   which is  important
of course .  I am not bitching  , but  merely  presenting  ideas i have 

I believe if Knoxville thought they would consistently sell out in November, that is when we would have the Ntionals.

Are you saying they wold be better attended at the end of the year?  (I believe they qualify as a big event.)

WOW, you went to the first 2 world finals but did not like the way they presented it so you did not go back!!! I'm more concerned about the quality of the racing, not how it is presented, or what music is played, or concession prices or if they throw trinkets into the stands at intermision.

But I notice you never mentioned the quality of the racing as a reason to go or not go to the world finals. Or any other event.

Do you really think the WRG is going to change something they do based on 1 e mail from a (so called) fan??

So since you have such strong opinions please tell us, if you owned and promoted a sprint car track what EXACTLY would you do for the fans???

There is only one reason WRG promoted the Port Royal show on that date was to keep any Woo regulars from running the STN as in past years there is always 3-4 of them showing up in Little Rock. WRG figures they might as well schedule a show otherwise guys will race somewhere.

Thats funny right there.  Also...... something else the race proved was who could tiptoe on the bottom like a girl the best instead of who has the biggest balls and the coolest hotrod like Port does when there is a cushion.  Speed Palace my snow white butt.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

What the race at Port proved last night was who could get around the track 30 times the quickest and on this particular night it was Ryan Smith. Who gives a shit which groove he was running. There were multiple grooves working for cars to run all all over the track you can't ask for more than that. It wasn't a fright around the bottom with every one running there.Any one who wasn't happy with that race no matter who would have won it went with the intention of not being happy before they got there.

" something else the race proved was who could tiptoe on the bottom like a girl the best instead of who has the biggest balls and the coolest hotrod"

He beat Donnie Schatz didn't he? Why didn't Donnie take his cool hotrod & win?

From video highlites, looked like a good race to me....

I've been called negative but you take the cake!

Winning...(whining).  Gotta say I think all you are doing is trolling to get people to comment.  Unfortunately, I feel the need to join the foray.  Saturday night at Port Royal was awesome!  From the camping and hanging with friends to the great race we all got to see.  Not sure, but maybe you were too drunk or stoned to appreciate?  Shawn Brouse always chooses great music week after week and Johnny Gibson just added to that.  Not sure where you were, but the fans in the stands appreciated the music, stomping their feet, clapping & singing along at times.  The whole atmosphere of the weekend was fantastic!!!!  Ticket & concession prices = obviously you have not been at Williams Grove, Selinsgrove or a few  of the more western PA tracks.  RACE FANS went to that race Saturday night and I'm sure they had a wonderful time!!!!  I know I did!

The weather played out in their favor, the late date could have bit them in the butt.  However, Port wanted to get the WoO back and they wanted to come back and this was the date they had to work with.  The horrific winds died down just enough during race time to allow for great racing and track crew kept up with the track all day and it was a great surface.

winning drive,

you do realize that your ideas might be good for (1) track across the nation, but they have to set their format, policies, rules, presentation, etc. to fit a multitide of tracks across the USA right?  Some tracks have curfews while others don't, so the format has to fit where they can get it done by XX:XX every night no matter the car count or weather.

What might work in PA (track is taking rubber, so we'll take a 45 minute intermission to re-work the track), may be an utter disaster in CA (we took an intermission and now we've passed our curfew.  Thank you for coming, we'll make-up this feature next season when the WoO returns - no refunds or ticket exchanges as we got through the heats and dash) and vice versa.  Are you looking at the "big picture" or just your little area of the country?  I'd guess the latter.

While I don't care for some of the rules, I understand why they have them when I go outside of my home-base.  Double file restarts (IMO) are HORRIBLE and they should go back to single file, however, I've went to tracks where without double file restarts, there would be ZERO passing.

Do I think there are times when they NEED to do more for the Fans?  Yes, but they are the EXCEPTIONS, not the rule.  If you have a rain delay during the program, you need to do something to keep fans entertained (T-shirt gun, crowd interaction with the drivers), if you have a long delay starting on time (due to over-watering track for example like they did @ Spencer IA in 2013 -- hot laps started at nearly midnight) - you need to do something besides play music over the PA.

Now, if you start on time, run the show in a timely manner, the program they run works fine (Do I personally care for some of the music?  no, but it's not a big deal because you'll never please everyone no matter what music is played.)

Maybe you should become a promoter and show everyone what they are doing wrong....I respect those that do it becuase they have ALL THE RISK (financially).  We fans have no risk, we pay to see the races and that's what we get in return for our ticket $$.  Sometimes we get more than the races, but we never get anything less than what we paid for.

Let's see you strap your ass in one and “tip toe like a girl" around the bottom. I'm sure Ryan and Donny would be happy to give you plenty of room each time they lapped you. 

Well your ideas suck and posting them on a message board and having these discussions is not going to change anything. All you talk about is fans this and fans that but I'm going to let you in on a little secret, fans ARE NOT the most important part of a race track operation. The teams are. Think about it, fans have it easier than anyone. We show up, spend some money on a ticket, maybe grab a bite to eat, sit on our asses, maybe catch a free t-shirt or csn coozie, watch the race, maybe get drunk then either go sleep in a camper or for those who don't usually drink such as myself, go home and call it a night. At worst we may have seen a bad race. The teams on the other hand, take a far bigger financial risk than we do and we all know the worst that can and unfortunately sometimes does happen to those who drive sprint cars. They take far more risk than us fans do and let's face it, no fans are gonna show up and buy a ticket to sit at an empty race track with no race cars. I think if anything, the WRG and dirt tracks across the country should try and do more for the teams because they're the ones who really make it go. Us fans have it really easy compared to the teams and track owners/promoters.