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Posted By: BigRightRear on August 14 2014 at 01:37:29 PM
so far we have heard from tony's fan club...ward's family...speaking for each driver...but not Tony himself.
would be too much for his supporter's to ask him to speak for his actions himself?
or perhaps that is what Bubba has been directed to do...get TS side of the story out there?
I am hearing tomorrow is the day Nascar will speak.
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C'mon BRR. You know he can't speak about this publically with potential civil lawsuit pending. You can be sure that his lawyers have told him to not speak about it. He WILL talk sooner or later.
My heart tells me that NOBODY would intentionally do this and that Tony was in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Alternatively, my brain tells me that anything is possible. I'll wait for the investigation to run it's course.
I just hope that people leave Tony Stewart alone if he is found to have done nothing wrong. The national media is driving this witchhunt. This degree/size of negative press can drive even a normal person past sanity. Let's hope Smoke can get on with his life after this os over. Even if innocent, he will carry a burden to the degree of which I wouldnt wish upon anybody.
Anybody.
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Posted By: donimus on August 14 2014 at 07:51:23 AM
Check out the footage slowed down and Ward grabs Tony's wing and is never pulled under the car.
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August 14, 2014 at
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Just stop everyone
these threads are sad and useless. Robin Miller had a great article on this.
It boils down to this, did Tony see Kevin Ward? If he did, just a sad accident, guys at the wrong place at wrong time. Kevin did nothing different than what I have seen many times in my 40 plus years of short track racing, wing or non wing.
If Tony did see him, than the conclusion would be he tried to scare him. Which at best is negligence
WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Only Tony will know what happened, and that is between him and God. Everything else is us idiots on twitter, forums, etc NOW ME INCLUDED. The only people benefitting from this, is the gd lawyers, the statements so far from the Tony, look like a lawyer/PR guy wrote. i can not blame Tony for this (lawyers). HE could spend time in jail and lose a shit load of $. Tony is probably wise not to say much at this time, it will get twisted, and be used against him civil or legal.
But to say Kevin was to blame, or Tony tried to kill him, is just crazy and just ignores common sense
Just let the Ward family grieve their baby today :(
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Those that watch the slow motion video and think that he tried to jump on the car needs to watch the video at real time and try to envision attempting to jump on the side of a sprint car and sucessfully hanging on at 35-45(?) mph. Just doesn't make sense to me. So what did actually happen? I don't know. To me this angle with Kevin on the back side of the car doesn't clearly convince me of any of the possibilties that have been mentioned. I'll just wait until more information comes out to decide.
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Posted By: donimus on August 14 2014 at 07:51:23 AM
Check out the footage slowed down and Ward grabs Tony's wing and is never pulled under the car.
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Donimus is right. EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THE SLO-MO VIDEO ON YOU TUBE! Look for Tony Stewart Kevin Ward slo-mo and add the word jump. The video shows Kevin Jump on the right side nerf bar of Tonys car. The kid lost his cool and went into attack mode! Watch his body language before Tony gets to him.
BY THE WAY...1 st post! YES. But only because I don't post very often so my Log-in didnt work anymore.
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August 14, 2014 at
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the link to what he said^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co
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August 14, 2014 at
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With every post BRR is proving more and more how much of a dickhead he really is. His posts are more detrimental to the sport than anyone's I know. I'm not just talking about his comments on this topic , but his constant complaining about racing in general. If I had such a bad time at the races as he does , I'd stay home. But his home life isn't any better.
Why not STFU BRR????????????????
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have a few more beers...
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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No beers since last Saturday . Try again.
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Posted By: BigRightRear on August 14 2014 at 10:05:37 AM
wrongful death is already mentioned in the local NY press coverage
the sheriff / justices will have to differentiate between a "racing incident" which takes place when the green flag is out...and an "on track incident" like this is being characterized.
perhaps this is why there is law enforcement present at the tracks in many states - noticed that when I lived in NC
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you can almost guarantee the locals will be calling for tony's head no matter what and the authorities will look under every rock for ANYTHING to charge him with.
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: donimus on August 14 2014 at 08:37:10 AM
I find it very amusing that some do not like the facts when presented the facts!
Just remember, this will have a devestating effect on race tracks as well. The insurance companies will have a field day and we will lose many small tracks that can't afford the updates that will be mandated.
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Stadium quality lighting is the first thing that comes to mind. I find it ironic that eight year olds are playing pee wee football games with lighting that illuminates so well that it could be mistaken for daylight but a high intensity dangerous sport like Sprint Car racing sometimes plays out on tracks with dark areas that are like looking into a tunnel. What is wrong with that picture and who in their right mind would cast their lot on the side of a track with poor lighting?
Love is blind and a lot of the comments I have seen this week make no sense in any other context except when prompted by "the love of the sport". We need to take off our blinders and do a reality check and extend some of that love to safety improvements if they are deemed necessary. Without insurance there will be no racing so I'm just stating the reality of the situation. If some tracks are required to make upgrades that will make them safer for competitors and fans and cannot afford to do so then maybe time has passed them by.
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August 14, 2014 at
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Posted By: sdhuntandfish on August 14 2014 at 09:52:01 AM
More than anything, I'm worried about the civil side of things. Let's hypothetically say the investigation ends, and the findings show Tony to have done nothing wrong. Nothing criminal, malicious, just a bad accident with a guy out of his car and a driver in the wrong place at the wrong time. That still leaves the door open for a civil suit by the Ward family. The burden of proof in a civil case is easier than a criminal case. If the Ward family successfully sues in civil court after Tony was cleared on the criminal side, that opens the door for bad things down the road.
Imagine a slider at Eldora comes up short and puts somebody into the fence with fatal results. The driver that threw the slider obviously had no criminal ill intent, but the precedent might have been set civilly by this Stewart case. Is this driver now open to a civil lawsuit by the deceased driver's family? This is a hypothetic precedent that the sprint car community cannot afford.
Things could get ugly in the coming months. This whole deal has wiped any ounce of excitement for the rest of the season away from me. Hopefully once its over, the excitement I've always felt for sprint car racing comes back. Hopefully.
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I understand what you're saying but this snowball has already gathered momentum and become much bigger in the public eye than any objections on a Sprint Car forum are going to change. Reminds me of the old adage "be careful what you wish for". Some years back all the racing media could talk about was the attention the sport was getting from NASCAR and NASCAR driver involement. In one sense that is good, it has infused some money into the sport and gotten some attention from fans of other type of racing. On the other hand, if anything bad happens involving a big name NASCAR driver anywhere within 100' of a Sprint Car all hell is going to break lose as illustrated by what happened this week.
Modifieds and Late Models anyone?
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You guys that swear Ward was trying to grab the wing better go back and watch again and think about this. Tony's car was most likely traveling at 30-40mph. In the video Ward is seen standing 10-15ft to the right side of his car and then Tony's car comes into the video and Ward is out of sight for a couple seconds and then can be seen in the video as Tony's car is 10-20ft to the left of Wards car. It's at that point that someone highlighted it with a big red arrow saying it's at that point that ward in trying to grab the wing. What the hell do they think Ward was doing for the first 20-30 feet running beside the car? Most likely there was already considerable impact and anything that was happening at that point would not have been intentional. I'm not defending Tony or Ward with this observation just trying to understand why so many people can see a video (in slow motion even) and still be so far off.
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Posted By: sdhuntandfish on August 14 2014 at 10:41:22 AM
I really do feel for that family. This is a horrific ordeal that I never want to hear about again. Period.
It ruined my Saturday night down in Knoxville. As word spread through the pits, grandstand, etc, people were generally more quiet, reserved, and puzzled.
The north campground normally has a pretty good party atmosphere after the races. It was much more somber, quiet, and eerily peaceful Saturday night. We sat with our campground neighbors, quietly drinking what was left of our beer, half speechless. A little bit of the sprint car fan in me died that night.
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People were pisses cause Schatz won. If Brown would have won people wouldve tore knoxville down. That was evident by the roar of the crowd when Brown passed him on a couple occasions.
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Posted By: nebracefan on August 14 2014 at 07:31:40 PM
People were pisses cause Schatz won. If Brown would have won people wouldve tore knoxville down. That was evident by the roar of the crowd when Brown passed him on a couple occasions.
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I'm kinda thinking that had nothing to do with the somberness of his evening.
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Posted By: Lernervillefan10 on August 14 2014 at 03:47:57 PM
the link to what he said^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: nebracefan on August 14 2014 at 07:31:40 PM
People were pisses cause Schatz won. If Brown would have won people wouldve tore knoxville down. That was evident by the roar of the crowd when Brown passed him on a couple occasions.
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This was not the case. I've been going to knoxville for many, many years. Schatz has won many other years, and it was "party as usual". This year was different. The conversation was all Stewart in our part of the campground.
I agree on the fact that Brown winning would have been epic. I was on my feet for a few laps anyway, ha. Shaffer taking the lead back in 2010 was darn right awesome. The stands shook.
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Posted By: LLLosingit on August 14 2014 at 07:28:35 PM
You guys that swear Ward was trying to grab the wing better go back and watch again and think about this. Tony's car was most likely traveling at 30-40mph. In the video Ward is seen standing 10-15ft to the right side of his car and then Tony's car comes into the video and Ward is out of sight for a couple seconds and then can be seen in the video as Tony's car is 10-20ft to the left of Wards car. It's at that point that someone highlighted it with a big red arrow saying it's at that point that ward in trying to grab the wing. What the hell do they think Ward was doing for the first 20-30 feet running beside the car? Most likely there was already considerable impact and anything that was happening at that point would not have been intentional. I'm not defending Tony or Ward with this observation just trying to understand why so many people can see a video (in slow motion even) and still be so far off.
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I too thought that right off; no control, not intentional.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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Posted By: LLLosingit on August 14 2014 at 07:28:35 PM
You guys that swear Ward was trying to grab the wing better go back and watch again and think about this. Tony's car was most likely traveling at 30-40mph. In the video Ward is seen standing 10-15ft to the right side of his car and then Tony's car comes into the video and Ward is out of sight for a couple seconds and then can be seen in the video as Tony's car is 10-20ft to the left of Wards car. It's at that point that someone highlighted it with a big red arrow saying it's at that point that ward in trying to grab the wing. What the hell do they think Ward was doing for the first 20-30 feet running beside the car? Most likely there was already considerable impact and anything that was happening at that point would not have been intentional. I'm not defending Tony or Ward with this observation just trying to understand why so many people can see a video (in slow motion even) and still be so far off.
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Personally I have to disagree with you on this. I dont beleave Tony's car would have made such a squat to the right side, had he not jumped on the car!! I don't beleave impact alone would make the car squat that far over the the right side like it did. This is my first and last comment on this. It is a bad deal all the way around!! Feel bad for all involved. JMO
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Posted By: LLLosingit on August 14 2014 at 07:28:35 PM
You guys that swear Ward was trying to grab the wing better go back and watch again and think about this. Tony's car was most likely traveling at 30-40mph. In the video Ward is seen standing 10-15ft to the right side of his car and then Tony's car comes into the video and Ward is out of sight for a couple seconds and then can be seen in the video as Tony's car is 10-20ft to the left of Wards car. It's at that point that someone highlighted it with a big red arrow saying it's at that point that ward in trying to grab the wing. What the hell do they think Ward was doing for the first 20-30 feet running beside the car? Most likely there was already considerable impact and anything that was happening at that point would not have been intentional. I'm not defending Tony or Ward with this observation just trying to understand why so many people can see a video (in slow motion even) and still be so far off.
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LLLosingit, you have not seen the same video or at the same speed! The video that I saw this morning has been removed from the internet, it clearly shows with arrows, Kevin Jumping on the nerf bar and riding for a moment before falling off. The blunt force injury to Kevin probably occurred when he hit the ground.
the BS on this subject is understandable from the first video...I'm not going to comment any more, the video will resurface and Tony will be fine. It was a horrible accident, but Kevin made a few bad decisions and Tony Stewart shouldn't have to pay the price!
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