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StaggerLee
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Posted By: winning drive on August 10 2014 at 01:16:05 AM


not a  very  exciting   race  again  , same  winner !!  maybe  track  will  go back to  shorter  distance  , with  no tire  change , and  maybe  a  bigger  fuel  cell  . This  distance  once  again  is great  for  a  driver  who has  best  crew chief  in sprint  car racing . A nonstop  race  would be nice ?  but then this is  WoO   RACING  , WINNER OFF  FRONT  ROW . But  regardless  every  fan should  take in Knoxville  its  an  event  besides  racing .



Last year he started 21st and won, it was a Woo race, please explain how this is possible since every woo race is own from the front row? It sounds like your grasping for an excuse as to why your driver lost. Sprintcar racing is a team sport, from tire groover to driver and the 15 team is the best in the world right now, don't be a whiney lil girl about it, accept it and be glad you get to see one of the best ever in the prime of his career.



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Posted By: revjimk on August 10 2014 at 11:49:54 AM

Brown & Schatz have a great rivalry going at Nationals. If he ever decided to go on Outlaws tour, it could be the next Kinser/Swindell thing....



In a rivalry, doesn't each side have to win at least once in a while? That is like saying the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals have this great rivalry. So in that analogy, is Brian Brown Kinser or Swindell?



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Posted By: larryitis on August 10 2014 at 10:13:03 AM

Stan, I mcertainly hope so, they have a pretty large archive of past events available for viewing. it states on their website that if you paid for the live PPV of that particular event, you can watch the archived version, but it isn't up yet.



I was hoping to watch it tonight but it's still not up.  I'm kind of PO'd at my son for not making an attempt to wake me up.  He sat there in the chair next to me and watched the whole thing.  Darned kids!!! ;)


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Posted By: winning drive on August 10 2014 at 01:16:05 AM


not a  very  exciting   race  again  , same  winner !!  maybe  track  will  go back to  shorter  distance  , with  no tire  change , and  maybe  a  bigger  fuel  cell  . This  distance  once  again  is great  for  a  driver  who has  best  crew chief  in sprint  car racing . A nonstop  race  would be nice ?  but then this is  WoO   RACING  , WINNER OFF  FRONT  ROW . But  regardless  every  fan should  take in Knoxville  its  an  event  besides  racing .



Gee , did you notice that if race was 25 laps or 30 laps that Donny S. would have still won.  I like 50 laps and no one had anything for Shatz except Brown.  One way to beat him is to score more points in qualification TT and races so he does not start anyplace near front row.



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Posted By: StaggerLee on August 10 2014 at 02:18:57 PM

Last year he started 21st and won, it was a Woo race, please explain how this is possible since every woo race is own from the front row? It sounds like your grasping for an excuse as to why your driver lost. Sprintcar racing is a team sport, from tire groover to driver and the 15 team is the best in the world right now, don't be a whiney lil girl about it, accept it and be glad you get to see one of the best ever in the prime of his career.



No one  is  whining , yes  Donny Schatz  is  a   great driver  and yes  I know all  about it being a  team sport or business . But   everyone is missing  the key point  I'm   trying  to make  is that  it  would be  a  better  race  for  all  fans if it were  a shorter  distance , no  tire  change  and maybe  no  fuel  stop if they  were  allowed  to carry  a  larger  fuel cell or tank in past years . As   I  said before  Donny  has the  best  crew  chief  right now  in Ricky  Warner , and that  is where  his success lies , not only  in his  driving ability . I would   like to see  WRG or  Knoxville make  changes  to make it  a better race . I  know  people  won't agree  with  this  opinion as  well  but it could be  a  race  of  who lasts , not  saying  it wouldn't  be Donny  again . And  I make no  excuse  for any driver  , because  I like  and respect  all  drivers and  you  the loyal   fans . I  also  believe  one  driver  dominating  is not good  for  the  sport or Knoxville  or  any  race .



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Posted By: rolldog on August 10 2014 at 12:59:45 AM

Race stats - 50 laps, 3 passes on the track.




It was one of the most boring, if not the most boring, Knoxville Nationals races that I have attended (I started attending them in the early 80's).  

 

Considering the late start, lack of racing action, and not getting done till after midnight, it was one of the most boring nights that I have spent at a racetrack this year (87 nights at single and multiple night events so far).  



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Posted By: StanM on August 10 2014 at 06:49:11 PM

I was hoping to watch it tonight but it's still not up.  I'm kind of PO'd at my son for not making an attempt to wake me up.  He sat there in the chair next to me and watched the whole thing.  Darned kids!!! wink




Except for the couple of laps where Brian Brown took the lead, you did not miss much.



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Posted By: winning drive on August 10 2014 at 11:49:58 PM

No one  is  whining , yes  Donny Schatz  is  a   great driver  and yes  I know all  about it being a  team sport or business . But   everyone is missing  the key point  I'm   trying  to make  is that  it  would be  a  better  race  for  all  fans if it were  a shorter  distance , no  tire  change  and maybe  no  fuel  stop if they  were  allowed  to carry  a  larger  fuel cell or tank in past years . As   I  said before  Donny  has the  best  crew  chief  right now  in Ricky  Warner , and that  is where  his success lies , not only  in his  driving ability . I would   like to see  WRG or  Knoxville make  changes  to make it  a better race . I  know  people  won't agree  with  this  opinion as  well  but it could be  a  race  of  who lasts , not  saying  it wouldn't  be Donny  again . And  I make no  excuse  for any driver  , because  I like  and respect  all  drivers and  you  the loyal   fans . I  also  believe  one  driver  dominating  is not good  for  the  sport or Knoxville  or  any  race .




You are correct.  They need to go back to 30 laps and no stoppage in the middle of the race. 



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Posted By: larryitis on August 10 2014 at 11:14:34 AM

I wondered the same thing myself. You absolutely can not switch cars, right? Just the body? why switch the body?




Sheldon Haudenschild definitely switched cars.



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I agree lasoskifan, the A main was really boring to watch except for 3 laps when Brown and Schatz swapped it around a bit. I knew when the track wasn't burning off and was staying heavy and tacky that the 50 lapper was going to be a snooze fest. Only thing that would have helped is if the track started to change during the race but it never did.

A few things on Schatz when you really watch him. He rarely makes mistakes and looses momentum and is very smooth. He did screw up on his qualifying night and missed the bottom and slid all the way to the cushion but that doesn't happen very often from him. Other thing is his crew chief has that car absolutely dailed in at Kville. That thing runs really straight in the turns and is smooth.

For comparison if anybody watched Jeff Swindell his car was fast but was all over the place. Twitching around like a moving chicane.



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Posted By: highspeeddirt on August 11 2014 at 09:10:42 AM


I agree lasoskifan, the A main was really boring to watch except for 3 laps when Brown and Schatz swapped it around a bit. I knew when the track wasn't burning off and was staying heavy and tacky that the 50 lapper was going to be a snooze fest. Only thing that would have helped is if the track started to change during the race but it never did.

A few things on Schatz when you really watch him. He rarely makes mistakes and looses momentum and is very smooth. He did screw up on his qualifying night and missed the bottom and slid all the way to the cushion but that doesn't happen very often from him. Other thing is his crew chief has that car absolutely dailed in at Kville. That thing runs really straight in the turns and is smooth.

For comparison if anybody watched Jeff Swindell his car was fast but was all over the place. Twitching around like a moving chicane.




You are correct.  Donnie and his crew definitely have Knoxville figured out.  Hopefully next year, Brian Brown or someone else can make up the difference and beat him to the checkered flag.



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I just hope everybody realizes what we are witnessing. Yeah people dislike Donny because he is so good, but he worked his butt off to get into the position he is in. That team busts their butts to make the car what it is and Donny has exceptional talent. Brown I feel will eventually get the job done, but people enjoy this Schatz dominance because it is something very special and may not bee seen again for a long time to come, if ever.



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Posted By: H1GHS1DE on August 10 2014 at 11:56:47 AM

yeah if the outlaws race at knoxville every weekend...has brown ever won an outlaw show away from knoxville...and you comparing to swindell and kinser?



I don't know if Brown has won an Outlaw race outside of Knoxville. I said "could be". Maybe I should have added "potentially". If Brown did the whole WoO tour, I think he would learn the tracks & be a contender



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Posted By: Truth teller on August 10 2014 at 04:11:53 PM

In a rivalry, doesn't each side have to win at least once in a while? That is like saying the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals have this great rivalry. So in that analogy, is Brian Brown Kinser or Swindell?



OK, its a less than perfect analogy. Brown made it interesting in Knoxville last 3 yrs. & I think he could do the same with WoO. Swindell, of course....

But your Globies/ Generals analogy is worse.... Generals were a laughingstock

A good buddy of mine got a call from Generals coach Red Klotz years ago asking him to join the team... but his wife just got a job in Colorado so he moved out here. That might have been fun, & he would have tried to win & gotten pissed off... even funnier

Rush Limbaugh would make a good coach for the Generals. He could whine about reverse racism....



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Posted By: H1GHS1DE on August 10 2014 at 11:56:47 AM

yeah if the outlaws race at knoxville every weekend...has brown ever won an outlaw show away from knoxville...and you comparing to swindell and kinser?



Techncally Brown has never won an Outlaw show, I do not believe the Nationals count as WoO victories.



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Posted By: lasoskifan on August 11 2014 at 12:15:50 AM


It was one of the most boring, if not the most boring, Knoxville Nationals races that I have attended (I started attending them in the early 80's).  

 

Considering the late start, lack of racing action, and not getting done till after midnight, it was one of the most boring nights that I have spent at a racetrack this year (87 nights at single and multiple night events so far).  




Really, it was the most boring???  Are you comparing it to the years when Wolfgang "checked out" and won (84,85 and 89), when Kinser Checked out and won (81,82,86,88).  Heck, Steve won by 9 SECONDS one year (that's over 1/2 lap) and this was the most "boring"???

The race I watched was very entertaining, but maybe I watch more than the top 2-3 cars race too. 

FOREVER the Saturday Night show has been the most anti-climactic (the top cars are virtually all starting up front unless they have a HUGE issue (Wolfgang crashing in 1990 on his qualifying night for example and racing his way through the Alphabet).

As far as the time of night, I guess I expected it going in (Kinser's last Nationals as a full-time Outlaw -- gonna do some kind of tribute, driver introductions, the afternoon show (starting after 8:00 is a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over the 1980's, I remember hotlaps at Midnight for the E Main and National Anthem @ 1:00 AM on Saturday Night/Sunday morning more than once when a day race was held on Saturday.  (and the Chemical Sprayers doing the track packing as they were the only vehicles that wouldn't sink into the mud).



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Posted By: Mephit71 on August 10 2014 at 01:55:08 AM

He was on the pole.  Who expected anything else?



he won last time from the b

 


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Posted By: winning drive on August 10 2014 at 11:49:58 PM

No one  is  whining , yes  Donny Schatz  is  a   great driver  and yes  I know all  about it being a  team sport or business . But   everyone is missing  the key point  I'm   trying  to make  is that  it  would be  a  better  race  for  all  fans if it were  a shorter  distance , no  tire  change  and maybe  no  fuel  stop if they  were  allowed  to carry  a  larger  fuel cell or tank in past years . As   I  said before  Donny  has the  best  crew  chief  right now  in Ricky  Warner , and that  is where  his success lies , not only  in his  driving ability . I would   like to see  WRG or  Knoxville make  changes  to make it  a better race . I  know  people  won't agree  with  this  opinion as  well  but it could be  a  race  of  who lasts , not  saying  it wouldn't  be Donny  again . And  I make no  excuse  for any driver  , because  I like  and respect  all  drivers and  you  the loyal   fans . I  also  believe  one  driver  dominating  is not good  for  the  sport or Knoxville  or  any  race .



So was the Boston Celtics, LA Lakers, or Jordan's Bull's bad for the sport of basketball? 

No one wants to see a single team win every time out there but that's how almost every single sport is. 

Who ever wins the Knoxville Nationals notted named Schats, that win will be that much sweeter. 


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Posted By: revjimk on August 11 2014 at 08:07:42 PM

I don't know if Brown has won an Outlaw race outside of Knoxville. I said "could be". Maybe I should have added "potentially". If Brown did the whole WoO tour, I think he would learn the tracks & be a contender



He did the whole WOO tour in the #6 about 8-10 years ago. He was young then and not quite as good as he is now.


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Posted By: vande77 on August 12 2014 at 03:22:08 PM


Really, it was the most boring???  Are you comparing it to the years when Wolfgang "checked out" and won (84,85 and 89), when Kinser Checked out and won (81,82,86,88).  Heck, Steve won by 9 SECONDS one year (that's over 1/2 lap) and this was the most "boring"???

The race I watched was very entertaining, but maybe I watch more than the top 2-3 cars race too. 

FOREVER the Saturday Night show has been the most anti-climactic (the top cars are virtually all starting up front unless they have a HUGE issue (Wolfgang crashing in 1990 on his qualifying night for example and racing his way through the Alphabet).

As far as the time of night, I guess I expected it going in (Kinser's last Nationals as a full-time Outlaw -- gonna do some kind of tribute, driver introductions, the afternoon show (starting after 8:00 is a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over the 1980's, I remember hotlaps at Midnight for the E Main and National Anthem @ 1:00 AM on Saturday Night/Sunday morning more than once when a day race was held on Saturday.  (and the Chemical Sprayers doing the track packing as they were the only vehicles that wouldn't sink into the mud).



I have to agree, when I used to read about the Nationals in the 80s and 90s, the tagline was "get there for Wed and Thurs" because by Saturday, you knew who was going to win. And then by Saturday, Kinser or Wolfgang would win from the pole. How about this list of guys who led  the finale from start to finish:

1982 Steve Kinser
1985 Doug Wolfgang
1986 Steve Kinser
1987 Steve Kinser
1989 Doug Wolfgang
1991 Steve Kinser
1992 Steve Kinser

7 times in a 10 year stretch!



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