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May 28, 2014 at
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after watching that video it spills the secret of track prep and why most always the tracks that the woo race on is shit. lack of effort,lack of water, 50,000-60,000 gals a week on the track. . aint no way that eldora or the grove or any of the local tracks put down that much water or use as much fuel to work the track. . a local show can see why its not cost effective. at woo show. there is no excuse for a rubber down or dust bowl track. . Unless lakeside (ks woo race) has help from mother nature think it will just be more of the same. Dry slick freight train racing . .and that is a shame. when the track is right it is lighting quick.. awesome for non wing sprints. . good video and insight of what it takes. . that should be standard that all tracks work for.
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May 28, 2014 at
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I'm sure it's an urban legend. Lived in Kville for my entire life and they always tried to say that they did that and D. Dunkin would always say, "no, we just make sure we take care of the track all week not just on raceday."
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May 28, 2014 at
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I went to Haubstadt last summer on my way to Knoxville, & I'm now permanently sold on non wing bullrings. Trying to figure out how to work Indiana Speedweeks or Kokomo Throwdown into my schedule this year. But a day & a half drive from CT., where I spend the summer with 91 yr. old Mom makes it tricky, none of the dates jibe with my drive back to Colorado... we'll see....
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May 28, 2014 at
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Chilly - I to have either read it some where or saw it on one of the the televised Knoxville Shows
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May 28, 2014 at
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Posted By: vande77 on May 28 2014 at 12:10:07 PM
D. Dunkin (Chris' dad) was the track prep guy FOREVER and I never once heard that they ever used manure or anything on the track. He (just like Chris) spent TIME on the track throughout the week and since he did, the track was almost always in great shape.
Was there a sale barn across the street back in the old days? yep, but you never saw a vehicle go from teh sale barn to the track ever so my opinion is this is just BS and a nice story that people came up with. There used to be a farm implement dealership there too (Westberg's IH).
Rubber was never an issue back in those days anyway (tires were narrow, engines didn't make 900 horsepower (heck, they probably didn't make 400 horsepower) and wings weren't prevelant yet (frequent quick times in the 1980's were in the 18 second bracket for those without perspective).
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Every one that knows is past on. It was mostly hog manure because less straw in it. The idea was that manure would eat a pair of rubber boots why not rubber in the track that was not letting the water soak in. Bingley was my father in law at the time. Ralph did the water Dick did the grader early on
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May 29, 2014 at
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Going coast to coast chasing sprinters for over a decade I had many conversations with track prep guys and from my observations these are some of the best EVER.
Tommy Helfrich at Haubstadt, works the track like Van Gogh worked a painting and was he ever pi$$ed when the Outlaws told him one year NOT to work it like normal. Half way through the night he got out his equipment and at least created a half track in about 20 minutes.
Gene Frankart used to be the main man at Attica and he said the key was to work the track on and off ALL WEEK LONG, not just raceday, he always did a great job and boy did he take it personal if the track was off, great man.
John Padjen at Chico back in the day always had the track ready to race and in the dry of Northern CA to see Wheelstands as a Photographer it was Mecca for us, what a hard-working man he was and a great one to boot. I remember him telling me at an Outlaw show one night that Ted Johnson had ORDERED him to put the trucks out on the track to run it in more because the drivers were complaining about wheelstands. He said the more they go around the more they bring his thousands of gallons of water to the surface, hence tackier. Heck, they only had the feature to run and I'll never forget getting a photo of Sammy from the Pole doing a W/S that when he came down from was in 3rd place. John always thought that was funny, especially when Ted was fuming and cursing.
Fred Putney at Lincoln I do not know but I've never seen a bad track there and the locals love him, my 2 cents worth....
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May 29, 2014 at
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this thread reads like a legacy of WoO whining for a certain result with no clue as how to get there...almost as ridiculous as a govt agency.
perhaps this is because the most importnat segment of their format is TT at the beginning of the night...sat thru many evening of the WoO burning the track out in hot laps (sometimes running 10 laps per group) in order to "even out lap times" which resulted in crappy racing and everyone running the bottom at the same speed - unable to pass the last place car like the recent legendary Pittman domination!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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