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I've always thought with the passing-points format that it wasn't quite fair to place one car a position ahead (or behind) on the start even though they were starting side-by-side. It kind of penalizes those who start on the inside while rewarding those on the outside, who get a passing point for moving in front of the driver they started alongside while the driver on the inside does not receive credit for a pass for the same fete.

One remedy for this might be to score the front row as starting in second, the second row in fourth, third row in sixth, etc. That way the pole-sitter could still earn a passing point if he won, and so could the guy starting second. The same would apply through the rest of the field for those who started side-by-side.

Rob,

I actually did just that at one of my NMRA shows years ago at Hartford Speedway. The drivers all thought it was a good idea. But then it was back to normal because "this is the way it's always been."...Z

I think alot or fans are missing the point of Passing point type shows, nobody likes to see a runaway event with the strong cars starting in the front on a 20-25 lap feature, the reward is givin to the cars strong enuff to pass cars , if the strong runners draw good thier benifit is in setting thier car to be eventless until lapped traffic becomes a issue, sad but true, alot of fans dont want to wait 10 laps for the featue to become exciting, this eliminates the time nessesary for a quick timetrial session, very few tracks can pull off in a timely manner, this is only constructed to make to qualifying format more exciting for the fans, its that simple, every lap and position in the drivers eye is worthy of challenging for position,  lets just be carefull on rule changes, bigger CI, less wing,harder tires the list goes on and on, the product your wishing for could become a destructive blob we call Nascar.... I will disown this sport if the rules consistantly change day in and day out like Nascar , lets face it, this sport is expensive, the only teams that will benifit from the consistant change of the rules will be the ones that can afford to capitalize on them,  again, its just that simple, Cmon guys, its a hard sell, providing a "on the edge of your seat" race each and everytime,  Honestly, i watched WG footage and the race the camera was following was exciting IMO, Wolf looked good in his own backyard, whats not to like.. I will say this, be carefull what you wish for, you just might get it.. and if the racing goes from bad to worse,  dont say,  I didnt tell you so..

Not at all.  You see many ASCS races back before they cut the purse and several faster cars quite showing up?  Many times a single heat would be full of fast cars.  Not all of them are going to earn a bunch of passing points.  Many times some of the top point guys would end up in a B main.  Shane Stewart put on many exciting shows coming from a B to the back of the A and then thru the A towards the front.  He didn't win then all but the guy would put on a show doing it.  Of course when ASCS cut their purse that cut down on the number of higher caliber cars and that's affected their shows.

Everyone on here needs to get a membership on thecushion.com. I have seen all the WoO races on there and 90% of them is great racing. Just watched New Egypt and that was GREAT racing. I don't care where the winner came from. 

Passing points have their own flaw, cars dropping or crashing out can still reward drivers without them passing a single car! We run mostly the 2 rounds of heats format downunder and the results still end up the same...fastest (best) drivers starting up front. Only way to change this is to then have some sort of bogus invert which only penalises a driver for earning his rite to start up front. Let's face it guys there is no perfect formula. Watching the WoO so far this season from afar has seen some of the best racing for years so I don't know what all the complaining is about. Looking forward to coming over in July/August to see it up close and personal :)

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Seems like the Indy 500 is wasting their time on the month of May. They could just do a pill draw 

my thoughts exactly, why now, this season, is the cry over runaway features, years past we have seen a larger gap in competition, this year the passing and different winners has been pretty wide spread, IMO, (that is Knox and WoO) while having chats with many "down unders" the format for qualifying is quite differnt and uniqe to us "yankies" im 100% in favor of giving the 2 heat qualfiers a go.. the fans see more side by side racing, and positions are always valueable, now,dont get me wrong, i dont dislike TT,  its what i grew up with and still enjoy it..  but the 2 heat deal is refeshing and new, yet not totally bias for us in the U.S., its a simple formula for excitement , and if your gate count is low, the racing will still be plentiful, extreemly good for a show that only attracted 26 cars. like you said whybros,  there is no perfect formula, the quick cars need to have a reason to run quick.. (imagine that) years ago, we had IMCA shows that had modified drivers haul ass to the white flag. in fear thier motor would be claimed they would drop back positions intentionally to stay out of the top 5.. now who the hell wants to watch that type show, it sux. its like watching a tied game for the stanley cup and your TV set takes a crap the last 2 minutes of the game... who cares... there has to be reward to the dominat cars, crashes,engine trouble, what have you is the story you payed to see, sometimes its just more dramatic than others, if fans are willing to take the chance on a good show vs a excellent show is the question...

The 2 heat system Down Under is ridiculous. The best format would be 1 heat- started straight up by time trials- no invert but taking the 4 heat winners to the dash. The next 4 cars to the dash could be 1 car from each heat that passed the most cars. Quick time still gets the advantage of a front row start in heat but everyone would have to race. Seems logical for everyone, including the fan ??? 

Also, would give the guys that qualified bad a chance to still make something of a bad qualifying run 

Sound good. Notice that Indy used to have two full weekends of time trials, yet now has only one. I suppose you could always wait for the public to rise up and demand even more time trials, although you would have to pack a lunch while you wait.

First of all a woo passing point system would never work cause they would have to pass someone:)

That would be a huge problem in Woo:)

Woo drivers are trying to pass each other for more MONEY and cannot do it, so you think they can for points?

"Fair" is a place where they judge pigs

the appetizing part is the front runners in the heat get inverted, the tail enders get thier chance to up thier qualifying by starting up front, naturally this formula should provide "some "passing... a average finish is your calculated start  Fans seem to love it because they feel they see two shows,  JMO. i could be wrong? simply put, there is no perfect formula, afterwords a redraw. coin flip for inversion, what have you, it starts to become a difficult following as to how a driver got his exact start position..understood, there is so many racers that will find the loophole to slide thro to get thier desired start position  it has to be consistantly changed to equal the chance at the front row,  i show up, race my ass off, thats what i built this car to do, and let the chips fall where they may, hopefully we start towards the front, the competition is that tuff, the Time trials tell the story  .250 of a second  many many times is the differance between your fast qualifier and 10-15pos  qualifier, pretty tight margin to make up with "alot" of passing.. If the top qualifiers are started in the front it will lean towards a runaway event  slower cars can break the transition of passing and bottled up.. is it fair? there is a easier way to enjoy heads up .. attend NHRA.. now lets talk Braket cars.. is that fair, and do they care...  Nope, thats the rules.  Consistancy wins the $$..