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i don't call not putting the fast guys up front "penalizing".

i call it putting on a show.

after all, isn't that what we want?

I personally think starting the guys up front that deserve to be up front will put on a better show than guys quallifying good then getting pushed back to starting 12th.  I say this because with the rules package that keeps getting forced on the race teams it has become much harder to get to the front after starting mid pack in "bad air".  The teams are now locked into flat wings and a RR tire that anyone who works on a winged sprint car will call junk.  The tires no longer grow and to make matters worse this season teams are being forced to run RR tires by Hoosier that are all the leftover tires from last year that nobody wanted.  Tires are now rolling out to 102-104 inches rather than 105-107 inches.  This makes it even harder to race through traffic due to cars being laid on the RR and spinning.  Now most will just say to run a smaller LR but it does not work that way.  THis is not a stagger issue it is a ride height issue. Teams have been forced to run the small tires all year now and will continue to have to use them until every tire distributor around each individual part of the country are out of these old tires before any new tires will be send out by Hoosier.  Now im not saying it is impossible to get to tthe front from the back,  the 15 car seems to have mastered this.  However i feel if you start the 10 fastest cars in the top 10 spots the racing in turn will be much better between those 10 cars.  When you go out every night and qualify 9th through 16th you should not be rewarded with a chance of starting on the pole of the dash.  Schatz seems to qualify in this area every night however he does not seem to have the luck when it comes to the dash draw as some other guys.  I think if you look at front row starts for the year the 11 car seems to be capitalizing most on this system by qualifying around 10th and ending up front row of the main. 

so it spreads the field out after 10 laps when the fast guys get to the front and check out......as opposed to the fast guys checking out in front in 2 laps.

i like your thinking.

so why do most people start getting excited when the lead cars get to traffic and have to start racing their way through it?

how many times does a yellow come out just when the lead cars get to traffic and people say , "darn they were just getting to traffic. it was about to get good."

i grew up watching the fast cars start in the back. heck most sprint car races were that way until the woo began starting their guys up front.

as much as you PA guys complain about the woo i am shocked you defend their idea of putting the fast cars in front.

I know your excited to hear yourself and so you don't care what anybody else says, but re-read my post, please.  I just said that the race last week where all the top names started up front had all the leaders under a blanket at the end.  Nobody checked out.  On lap 24 you didn't know who was going to win.  In a few weeks when all those names are starting 10th-12th, we'll see whoever played the game right (and starts up front), check out.  Out of the 4 WoO races in Williams Grove last year, 3 of them had passes for the lead in the last 2 laps (2 on the last lap).  How is that the fast cars checking out?  I'd rather watch Donny Schatz pass Greg Hodnett on the last lap of a race than watch Greg Hodnett blow by Troy Fraker on lap 3 of the feature and win by 9 seconds, nothing against Hodnett or Fraker, my experience has just been that when the fast cars start up front of TT races, the fast cars race each other the WHOLE race, they don't pass backmarkers and then make clean air TT laps out front like they do during the handicap shows.  Oh, and is it possible that, even though I'm from PA, I still follow the WoO and their drivers throughout their career too?  Watch out for those blinders...

I know your excited to hear yourself and so you don't care what anybody else says, but re-read my post, please.  I just said that the race last week where all the top names started up front had all the leaders under a blanket at the end.  Nobody checked out.  On lap 24 you didn't know who was going to win.  In a few weeks when all those names are starting 10th-12th, we'll see whoever played the game right (and starts up front), check out.  Out of the 4 WoO races in Williams Grove last year, 3 of them had passes for the lead in the last 2 laps (2 on the last lap).  How is that the fast cars checking out?  I'd rather watch Donny Schatz pass Greg Hodnett on the last lap of a race than watch Greg Hodnett blow by Troy Fraker on lap 3 of the feature and win by 9 seconds, nothing against Hodnett or Fraker, my experience has just been that when the fast cars start up front of TT races, the fast cars race each other the WHOLE race, they don't pass backmarkers and then make clean air TT laps out front like they do during the handicap shows.  Oh, and is it possible that, even though I'm from PA, I still follow the WoO and their drivers throughout their career too?  Watch out for those blinders...

I know your excited to hear yourself and so you don't care what anybody else says, but re-read my post, please.  I just said that the race last week where all the top names started up front had all the leaders under a blanket at the end.  Nobody checked out.  On lap 24 you didn't know who was going to win.  In a few weeks when all those names are starting 10th-12th, we'll see whoever played the game right (and starts up front), check out.  Out of the 4 WoO races in Williams Grove last year, 3 of them had passes for the lead in the last 2 laps (2 on the last lap).  How is that the fast cars checking out?  I'd rather watch Donny Schatz pass Greg Hodnett on the last lap of a race than watch Greg Hodnett blow by Troy Fraker on lap 3 of the feature and win by 9 seconds, nothing against Hodnett or Fraker, my experience has just been that when the fast cars start up front of TT races, the fast cars race each other the WHOLE race, they don't pass backmarkers and then make clean air TT laps out front like they do during the handicap shows.  Oh, and is it possible that, even though I'm from PA, I still follow the WoO and their drivers throughout their career too?  Watch out for those blinders...

Now youv'e gone and done it Latish, Buzz's hoseheadshemeroditus is flaring up... :/

nice to know you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

Bmd5229 I have said for years that Schatz is a master at timming 10-16.  And then at the big money shows he has quicker times.