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I agree.

Other thing I see is that the drivers (many of them anyway) agree that the cars have gotten too easy to drive and that allows lesser drivers to be fast (and if hte start up front, win).  Why not take driver input on what would make the cars harder to drive (loosen them up)?  Seems like the tire decisions are all based on what the exec's "think" will make the cars looser.  All the while the drivers have told them that their ideas are gonna make the cars stick even better and make the racing less (maybe so far the Hoosier's are better than the Goodyears were, but the Goodyears provided great racing that first year as well if I remember correctly).

As a Fan, I like the idea of twin features if done correctly.  They used to run the Ethanol Classic @ Knoxville in July that had twin features for the WoO.  Full purse for both races and FULL POINTS, which made the drivers race hard in both races (the one year Kinser won the first with Lasoski 2nd (in teh Sonner 47).  They started tail end in the 2nd won and Lasoski won with Kinser 2nd.  Prior to the twin features, that race was just a regular Outlaw show.  Twin features made it special.

The Silver Cup was Special with a big winner's share when Don Martin ran the track, then, it became twin features, but the 2nd feature means nothing except the purse $$.  If points were on the line, I GUARANTEE that Kinser wouldn't have pulled in after a lap.

I love how the twin features format is getting run down because Schatz said something negative, and a slowpoke Steve Kinser, who was probably pouting that his teammate cost him a chance at starting on the pole in the 2nd feature by lapping him on the last lap, pulled in instead of racing.

I took a look at the 2007 Silver Cup purse, when it paid $30k to win, $15k for 2nd. The "good old days" you guys seem to refer to. Total purse was approx $95k, total purse this year was about $100k, with the $47,800 in each feature's purse and the $5k bonus for winning the Cup.

Also, for a race that's "lost its lustre", I saw 2 really good A Mains, including a 25th to 2nd charge and 2 good battles for the win.

I like the formats, and I bet most fans would rather see 2 races instead of 1.

2013 total purse for 2 A Mains versus 1 A Main in 2007. Granted, 20 more laps, but they're not running for less money.

If you figure in the wear and tear on an engine plus the tires for an additional feature............

Member of this message board since 1997

Proof that fans want to see the best fastest equipment available.  A new true outlaw series would rock if someone had the guts to do it instead of more and more deballing rules. 

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Sprint car racing and open wheel racing in general is the best thing going these days. Obviously things could be better, but danged if it ain't pretty good as it is. The last thing these fans want to hear is whining like the late model cats do. We do find it sad that so many sprint car races pay pennies compared to what a late model race pays outside of the month of money races.

If I remember correctly, Wolfgang won $39,000 in 1990 at the Silver Cup driving the 8d car for Danny Peace....

Sure seems like a pay cut to me....

I will take the single feature -- 40 laps -- worth, let's say, $35,000 any day. More build-up, more pop. There is an anticipation. Plus, you don't have guys sand bagging at the halfway point to start up front. That's how Tony Stewart won the second feature a year ago.

LIsten to the drivers on how to make the cars harder to drive, ha that is hilarious. They will never do that as long as Donny Schatz is their poster boy. He couldn't drive a sharp stick up his a$$. I know he is dominate now but he was terrible until the cars became locked down and easy to drive. They don't care about the fans or the drivers. They want $. Drivers want more $. And the fans want to pay less to see them race for more. The equation doesn't add up people, something is going to have to give. There are 3 people that make up the Outlaws. Todd, Kasey and Tony. If any two of these 3 get pissed and quit the outlaws will collapse. Thats reality. This group has priced themselves out of normal car owners like the good ol days. I love sprint car racing as much as anybody but they are walking a very very fine line. Just like the housing bubble, this one will eventually burst. Problem is uncle sam don't give a crap about dirt track racing. 

If you remember back in the good ol days when we had things called car owners that would hire every driver, then the prices went through the roof when we got tv involved to collect all the big advertising dollars. Well corporate america aint spending money on dirt racing kids and the prices aint going down. That is why you see 3 major car owners and a bunch of other guys trying to hold there cars together on their own shoe string budgets. Something has got to give to bring the price of operations down. Something, but I don't know what cuz everybody wants more money.

your 100% correct sir!!

They need to hit more markets in the US...  Texas being one of them..  2nd largest state in the US has one date and its in freaking El Paso a more isolated location you will not find. Its not a complicated situation more fans=more $$..  More fans inclined to travel to Eldora, Knox and WG after seeing a WoO show at their little town speedway means growth at the premier events.   Live streaming HD PPV is the future.. embrace it

More weight, more regulation, more similarity in the 
cars.... that will ensure plenty of thrills for years 
to come.  Only the most average talent behind the 
wheel will be needed with such awesome equipment on 
the track!
minthess 8.28.14

I agree with most of what Oppermanfan said, except the part about Donny Schatz. There was nothing locked down about the track during his last win at Williams Grove in May. Came from 12th on dry-slick conditions and ran wall-to-wall to catch and pass Hodnett on the last lap. Great race. Schatz can drive. Is he Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell or Doug Wolfgang, no. But still pretty good.

All it takes is money I am sure you could rent the track and put on a show

But then you want someone else to do it

You could line up a bus from Texas to Eldora wonder how that would work

Don't know what race you saw at Lernerville,but the crowd looked POOR to me. I've been attending races at Lernerville since 1968, and at the most recent "Don Martin Memorial" you could pick your seat. What used to be standing romm only has deteriorated to a crowd not a whole lot better than a friday nite regular show. Too bad, because the racing was very good all nite.