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January 23, 2013 at
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January 23, 2013 at
03:25:39 PM by Floyd Grudzielanek
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 23 2013 at 11:34:25 AM
then what are the CW guys hiding from? are they afraid of forsberg, because he doesn't mind running ocean.
drivers were coming from AZ to run ocean, but the "traveling" CW guys can't make one or two shows?
so do you think any of the CW super stars will take the risk of being totally dominated by the ocean guys, for a cool 3k?
what's the matter mcfly, are you CHICKEN? 
all kidding aside, i know everyone at ocean would welcome anyone with open arms and would be glad to see them. so it should be a no brainer for one or two of the top 5 CW teams to come take a shot at the bounty prentice has put up. my money, and most likely johns money, will be on forsberg to to take it.
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couldn't you say the same thing about your second and third sentences about the Taco Bravo non-travelers? gone racin is throwing out names like Golobic (who does travel, so is immune to criticism), Tarlton, who is a Rebel Cup guy with plenty of money to travel but rarely does, the Kaedings haven't been seen at Placerville, Petaluma, Chico for a Civil War show or anywhere there isn't a 410 race that weekend for years....Scelzi and Macedo haven't traveled either to a CW race. You guys are sitting there flapping your gums about TB this and that. If you're gonna get pissed about the CW guys not coming there, I can get pissed about the TB guys not going anywhere but their front porch. Look at the top 20 in Civil War points and tell me how many regular TB guys are there? TB doesn't want to race with CW either.
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January 23, 2013 at
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January 23, 2013 at
05:31:39 PM by buzz rightrear
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Posted By: Floyd Grudzielanek on January 23 2013 at 03:20:40 PM
couldn't you say the same thing about your second and third sentences about the Taco Bravo non-travelers? gone racin is throwing out names like Golobic (who does travel, so is immune to criticism), Tarlton, who is a Rebel Cup guy with plenty of money to travel but rarely does, the Kaedings haven't been seen at Placerville, Petaluma, Chico for a Civil War show or anywhere there isn't a 410 race that weekend for years....Scelzi and Macedo haven't traveled either to a CW race. You guys are sitting there flapping your gums about TB this and that. If you're gonna get pissed about the CW guys not coming there, I can get pissed about the TB guys not going anywhere but their front porch. Look at the top 20 in Civil War points and tell me how many regular TB guys are there? TB doesn't want to race with CW either.
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the taco bravo series does not bill themselves as the premier traveling 360 series in the area.
the taco bravo series is a local series.
also as far as my 3rd sentence goes, no one has yet put up an additional $1500 at a CW track for a taco bravo top 5 driver to come win.
so the question is, why is a supposedly traveling bunch of racers avoiding scheduling races at a competitive track? it is not just that the CW guys don't want to come to ocean to run a taco bravo event, they don't even want to run a CW event
tommy tarlton probably ran as many taco bravo events as rebel cup events, and i am sure everyone was glad to have him. even though he did stink up the show by winning so much! :)
the CW bills themselves as a traveling series.
i guess traveling from p-ville to marysville is a big deal these days.
besides, if you noticed i stated that all kidding aside, anyone who came to race ocean would be welcomed with open arms.
so, you can talk all the trash you want, at least oceanspeedway is putting its money where its mouth is.
what are you doing?
to indy and beyond!!
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January 23, 2013 at
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Posted By: Floyd Grudzielanek on January 23 2013 at 03:20:40 PM
couldn't you say the same thing about your second and third sentences about the Taco Bravo non-travelers? gone racin is throwing out names like Golobic (who does travel, so is immune to criticism), Tarlton, who is a Rebel Cup guy with plenty of money to travel but rarely does, the Kaedings haven't been seen at Placerville, Petaluma, Chico for a Civil War show or anywhere there isn't a 410 race that weekend for years....Scelzi and Macedo haven't traveled either to a CW race. You guys are sitting there flapping your gums about TB this and that. If you're gonna get pissed about the CW guys not coming there, I can get pissed about the TB guys not going anywhere but their front porch. Look at the top 20 in Civil War points and tell me how many regular TB guys are there? TB doesn't want to race with CW either.
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most of the topTB guys are also busy running the KWS 410 schedule ----- any way John has stepped up and put up $3000 so lets see what happens ----- as for Scelzi Tommy Macedo and a few others i can think of thy travil a long long way some times driving past or farther than a Civil War race so thy can race with the best 360 competition in the state
Robert Bond San Jose Ca
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January 23, 2013 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 23 2013 at 04:33:10 PM
the taco bravo series does not bill themselves as the premier traveling 360 series in the area.
the taco bravo series is a local series.
also as far as my 3rd sentence goes, no one has yet put up an additional $1500 at a CW track for a taco bravo top 5 driver to come win.
so the question is, why is a supposedly traveling bunch of racers avoiding scheduling races at a competitive track? it is not just that the CW guys don't want to come to ocean to run a taco bravo event, they don't even want to run a CW event
tommy tarlton probably ran as many taco bravo events as rebel cup events, and i am sure everyone was glad to have him. even though he did stink up the show by winning so much! 
the CW bills themselves as a traveling series.
i guess traveling from p-ville to marysville is a big deal these days.
besides, if you noticed i stated that all kidding aside, anyone who came to race ocean would be welcomed with open arms.
so, you can talk all the trash you want, at least oceanspeedway is putting its money where its mouth is.
what are you doing?
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Same thing you are doing. Posting on a message board.
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January 23, 2013 at
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January 23, 2013 at
06:08:06 PM by buzz rightrear
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Posted By: Floyd Grudzielanek on January 23 2013 at 05:59:19 PM
Same thing you are doing. Posting on a message board.
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let me clarify.
you can trash talk all you want.
oceanspeedway is providing a positive incentive by putting its money where its mouth is in enticing the CW guys to run there.
what are you doing in the way of a positive incentive to entice the taco bravo guys to run elsewhere?
to indy and beyond!!
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January 23, 2013 at
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To bad it's limited to the top five. Oh well, theres always next year.
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January 23, 2013 at
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Posted By: stoga on January 23 2013 at 06:24:08 PM
To bad it's limited to the top five. Oh well, theres always next year.
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maybe john will be flexible.
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January 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on January 23 2013 at 06:03:34 PM
let me clarify.
you can trash talk all you want.
oceanspeedway is providing a positive incentive by putting its money where its mouth is in enticing the CW guys to run there.
what are you doing in the way of a positive incentive to entice the taco bravo guys to run elsewhere?
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A fan is supposed to entice racers to attend different racetracks? What in the hell planet are you from?
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January 24, 2013 at
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What does it look like?
OOP, Wrong thread.
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January 24, 2013 at
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Posted By: Floyd Grudzielanek on January 24 2013 at 12:49:27 PM
A fan is supposed to entice racers to attend different racetracks? What in the hell planet are you from?
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so in other words you are not doing a damn thing.
here i thought you might have some input other than calling someone's stuff shit, and might be interested in helping make things better for everyone. you don't seem to fit my definition of a fan.
in that case i have no reason to continue discussing the subject with someone who just wants to bitch.
to indy and beyond!!
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January 24, 2013 at
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There is not a bigger hypocrite on this board than Buzz Rightrear. YOU are the one who started bitching about an entire organization, not just one or two drivers, but the entire Civil War organization being afraid to go to Ocean. The entire organization, drivers, officials, etc. are collectively shaking in their boots? How does an entire organization have human emotions? Then YOU were the one to start pounding your chest and calling either myself or an entire organization names like you're something special. Then, YOU have the unmitigated gall to act like YOU are doing something to help the CW guys come to Ocean while saying I'm not doing anything all under the guise of supporting Prentice. The hell are YOU doing Buzz? The same damn thing I am doing. Watching the races and talking about it afterwards.
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January 24, 2013 at
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January 24, 2013 at
07:39:51 PM by buzz rightrear
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Posted By: Floyd Grudzielanek on January 24 2013 at 06:27:09 PM
There is not a bigger hypocrite on this board than Buzz Rightrear. YOU are the one who started bitching about an entire organization, not just one or two drivers, but the entire Civil War organization being afraid to go to Ocean. The entire organization, drivers, officials, etc. are collectively shaking in their boots? How does an entire organization have human emotions? Then YOU were the one to start pounding your chest and calling either myself or an entire organization names like you're something special. Then, YOU have the unmitigated gall to act like YOU are doing something to help the CW guys come to Ocean while saying I'm not doing anything all under the guise of supporting Prentice. The hell are YOU doing Buzz? The same damn thing I am doing. Watching the races and talking about it afterwards.
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first off it wasn't me who was the one who brought up the CW dodging the ocean speedway, it was CA Sprintcar fan. (no offense CA Sprintcar fan)
second, i never called you any names.
you are the one who called stuff shit. by the way, what gives you the right to start calling a promoters payout shit if all you do is sit in the stands and bitch on message boards?
third, i never claimed or insinuated that i had anything to do with or was involved in doing anything to help bring the CW guys to ocean. i said at least oceanspeedway (john prentice's screen name on this site) was putting its money where its mouth is.
last, although i don't make a habit of talking about it, i have done what i can to help the sprint cars at ocean. i thought it would be nice to have a hard charger and maybe a fast time award at ocean for the taco bravo cars. i paid most of the hard charger award out of my own pocket the first year it was given. then i was able to help get sponsorship of the hard charger and fast time awards to make them a reality the past two years. i also do my best to keep the oceansprints.com web site updated. it may not be much. but at least it is something positive.
unlike you who seems to just want to bitch, i actually get out and try to help support the sport.
even though i razzed the CW guys, i have said multiple times that all kidding aside, the CW and anyone else would be welcomed at ocean with open arms and ocean would be glad to have them. go back and read my posts.
you seem to have a very bad misconception of what a race fan is if you think you are one.
so, as i had said before, there seems to be no reason for me to further discuss this with someone who just wants to bitch.
to indy and beyond!!
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January 24, 2013 at
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January 24, 2013 at
07:27:07 PM by Ca Sprintcar fan
Another reason it is rare to see a Taco Bravo driver at one of the three 1/4 tracks the CW series races at is: our guys have an awesome 1/4 mile track to run on. When they want to run someplace else, they usually go to bigger tracks down in the Central Valley or up in Napa Valley.
I think the 1/4 mile track thing works both ways. Alot of guys up at the three Northern 1/4 mile tracks don't come down to our 1/4 mile because they get their 1/4 mile fix at home. That's why alot of the guys at those tracks go to Calistoga and Petaluma for their 1/3 & half mile fix.
Only the drivers that strive to be the best in the state, and maybe a WoO driver (or higher) one day, race them all.
I still think the series knows going to Ocean Speedway would mean top 10 points guys in CW points missing the A and only 2 or 3 of their cars in the top 10 (like the last race). I wish the Civil War promoter would give it another chance so their drivers can catch up with the guys who run the track weekly. I was hoping for two CW shows per year at Ocean not zero.
Northern California Sprintcars
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