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Posted By: BigRightRear on July 18 2012 at 03:24:56 PM
I heard Rahmer never started the race?
what is going on with Lasoski? that car USED to WIN RACES?
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Fred did not qual out of LCS !
Long Live 20 Time World Of Outlaws Champion Steve
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July 19, 2012 at
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do you think the money got eaten up by the sanction fee?
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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July 19, 2012 at
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Okay run the first feature,set the laps at 30 pay the std. 10K to Win and the Points. The second feature is run by a redraw of the finishers. You must run until lap 16,if you drop out or wreck before lap 16 you get only 100.00,thats it,the money stays in the 2nd purse to be divided among all the finishers.
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July 19, 2012 at
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There was a time when the Outlaws used to schedule AGAINST the Brad Doty Classic and it pissed off a lot of people. The Silver Cup needs to return to its original format and make it worth what it should be to honor one of the best sprint car promoters of All-Time. The current format is pointless, so to speak.....
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July 19, 2012 at
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Posted By: jmartz11 on July 19 2012 at 08:57:24 AM
Fred did not qual out of LCS !
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Quite a few guys didn't make it out of the B main, pretty sure I watched Danny Lasoski get taken to school on the last lap by Haudenschild and Lynch...why isn't everyone riding him? I mean 3rd to 5th in about half a lap, if that had been a Central PA driver or Kyle Larson the board would have crashed with all the posts.
Saying the posse does nothing at Lernerville is a bit far fetched, have seen Rahmer beat the outlaws there, along with Dewease and fairly certain I remember him coming from deep in the field in the Hamilton 77 to finish second a few years back. There are a number of Outlaw drivers that don't have a win there either...does that factor in or are we just picking and choosing who gets bashed for not having a good night?
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July 19, 2012 at
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Posted By: George Costanza on July 19 2012 at 10:50:44 AM
Quite a few guys didn't make it out of the B main, pretty sure I watched Danny Lasoski get taken to school on the last lap by Haudenschild and Lynch...why isn't everyone riding him? I mean 3rd to 5th in about half a lap, if that had been a Central PA driver or Kyle Larson the board would have crashed with all the posts.
Saying the posse does nothing at Lernerville is a bit far fetched, have seen Rahmer beat the outlaws there, along with Dewease and fairly certain I remember him coming from deep in the field in the Hamilton 77 to finish second a few years back. There are a number of Outlaw drivers that don't have a win there either...does that factor in or are we just picking and choosing who gets bashed for not having a good night?
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NOPE; Just Like I allways do on these boards; just stating a facts and that fred did not qual !!
Long Live 20 Time World Of Outlaws Champion Steve
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Posted By: George Costanza on July 19 2012 at 10:50:44 AM
Quite a few guys didn't make it out of the B main, pretty sure I watched Danny Lasoski get taken to school on the last lap by Haudenschild and Lynch...why isn't everyone riding him? I mean 3rd to 5th in about half a lap, if that had been a Central PA driver or Kyle Larson the board would have crashed with all the posts.
Saying the posse does nothing at Lernerville is a bit far fetched, have seen Rahmer beat the outlaws there, along with Dewease and fairly certain I remember him coming from deep in the field in the Hamilton 77 to finish second a few years back. There are a number of Outlaw drivers that don't have a win there either...does that factor in or are we just picking and choosing who gets bashed for not having a good night?
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I dont bash or trash drivers; crews; tracks; fans or anyone else !!
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July 19, 2012 at
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July 19, 2012 at
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A poster asked a question and the man answered, nobody was picking on him. Somebody is a little touchy it seems, that is bashing, lol? The last time I remember Fred missing the A at Lernerville he went on to beat the Outlaws at the Grove a few nights later, wouldn't be surprised to see this happen again. Lance had a good run there a few years ago but I am quite sure it wasn't in the Hamilton car. In general the Posse has done squat there when you think about it, a couple of wins over many, many years with the big dogs going there most of the time. It just proves my point about the Grove, where they do well a whole lot more often....
PS I was posting this as he was answering, interesting....
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July 19, 2012 at
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I prefer a home cooked meal myself... ;)
Opinions may vary...
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July 19, 2012 at
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Posted By: MSPN on July 19 2012 at 11:08:45 AM
A poster asked a question and the man answered, nobody was picking on him. Somebody is a little touchy it seems, that is bashing, lol? The last time I remember Fred missing the A at Lernerville he went on to beat the Outlaws at the Grove a few nights later, wouldn't be surprised to see this happen again. Lance had a good run there a few years ago but I am quite sure it wasn't in the Hamilton car. In general the Posse has done squat there when you think about it, a couple of wins over many, many years with the big dogs going there most of the time. It just proves my point about the Grove, where they do well a whole lot more often....
PS I was posting this as he was answering, interesting....
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Yeah he won a feature a few years back there, but the one I was talking about in the Hamilton car was obviously more than a few years. Should have worded it a little better.
As for doing squat, I disagree...believe they said Tuesday night was Dollanskys first outlaw win there, and there were many other "outlaws" that I have never seen win there. So in comparison most of the outlaws really do squat there as well. Guess it is really just all in how you want to spin it.
But all that aside, I really don't care how the central PA cars do at Lernerville as I'm from the wrong side of the state to care about all that nonsense.
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July 19, 2012 at
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Fred won in '98, Lance in 2010 and no other Posse driver has won an Outlaw show there, that's pretty much squat in my books but I'm dealing in facts only, not emotion or cheer leading. These are Hall of Fame type drivers who generally win more often than 1 out of 30 or so. Steve and Sammy have dominated at the place with 17 wins each and back in the 90's Mark Kinser was the man to beat and won a bunch of the early Don Martin races I believe....
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Posted By: MSPN on July 19 2012 at 11:45:12 AM
Fred won in '98, Lance in 2010 and no other Posse driver has won an Outlaw show there, that's pretty much squat in my books but I'm dealing in facts only, not emotion or cheer leading. These are Hall of Fame type drivers who generally win more often than 1 out of 30 or so. Steve and Sammy have dominated at the place with 17 wins each and back in the 90's Mark Kinser was the man to beat and won a bunch of the early Don Martin races I believe....
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Your idea of the "facts" is whatever supports your argument, no different then the PA fans that support only the results from PA where the WoO looks like an overpriced B-Main. You claim to be smarter with facts, but you only give those that support your argument. Yet your big claim, for the past few years, was: look at Lincoln in the 90s, that's the true judge. Then we find out in May that's a home field advantage too? We already know the 2 Kinsers and Sammy are possibly the best that ever touched a wheel in a sprint car...3 cars doesn't make much of an A-main though, does it, especially when one is a school bus.
Are the top 10 WoO drivers better than the top 10 PA drivers? Absolutely, in my opinion. Problem is, PA has 20-30 regular drivers, and after the top 6-8 WoO drivers, and 11 total, they aren't anything beyond what PA has, period. The WoO is supposed to be the best of the best, and is marketed accordingly. When they show up in your home town with a half a million dollars worth of sprint car inside their hauler and leave with their tail between their legs, you might take the opportunity to brag on the hometown racers that support your local racing too?
DSC1600, to answer your question earlier: Probably the main reason 95% of the Lincoln regulars weren't at Lernerville is because the owner, crew, truck driver, and driver all WORKED the next day and don't have the funds to support racing elsewhere.
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Posted By: BigRightRear on July 18 2012 at 03:24:56 PM
I heard Rahmer never started the race?
what is going on with Lasoski? that car USED to WIN RACES?
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The Zemco car is still fit to win races, I saw it happen with my own eyes, driven by a driver that "isn't fit to hold Lasoski's helmet bag" according to the genius that comes from this forum.
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July 19, 2012 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on July 19 2012 at 09:39:35 AM
do you think the money got eaten up by the sanction fee?
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Why would Lernerville be paying a sanction fee, I thought the WRG bought Lernerville years ago (back in the Boundless days as I recall).
When it comes right down to it, there were a lot of races that paid better than the standard WoO purse back in the 80's and early 90's.
Seems like the problem is the "fans" that will only attend the Outlaw races and skip the non-sanctioned ones.
And yes, I too remember the Outlaws sanctioning a race the same night as the Doty or the night after to ensure it fell within their 24 hour/250 mile rule to prevent their guys from running (and that was back in the Ted days and the Doty was at Attica).
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July 19, 2012 at
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Blah, blah, blah. Tell me something I don't know. I have no idea what you are talking about with the Lincoln thing, I do know that back in the old days I quoted Bill W as saying that the Outlaws had won 28 times to the locals 4 wins. This year the locals whooped them, good for them. You have a nice group of locals in PA just like they do in OH and CA and the ASCS 360 guys (mostly ex 410 winners). The difference between you and me and most of the PA fans is that I have been to see these other drivers race many, many times and that's what I based my opinions on. The porch dwelling cheerleader of which that are too many of from PA thinks that because they handle the Outlaws at the Grove (and only the Grove) about 30% of the time (over history) that makes them the greatest. They are brutal against them on virtually all other neutral ground but the Posse fan refuses to acknowledge this which has always been my point and stats prove it. At Lincoln this year they dominated but at Attica a couple of years ago the OH guys did about the same thing, it happens and when it does it is GREAT for the local fans but just don't get used to it. The Outlaws have lost a lot of good drivers over the years and you have some of them in PA as a result, they (The Outlaw tour) will never be what they once were and that's reality. I hate to think of what is going to happen when Steve and Sammy go, they certainly seem to mean a whole lot to that tour to this very day. It won't be pretty when they leave....
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Posted By: MSPN on July 19 2012 at 02:58:18 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Tell me something I don't know. I have no idea what you are talking about with the Lincoln thing, I do know that back in the old days I quoted Bill W as saying that the Outlaws had won 28 times to the locals 4 wins. This year the locals whooped them, good for them. You have a nice group of locals in PA just like they do in OH and CA and the ASCS 360 guys (mostly ex 410 winners). The difference between you and me and most of the PA fans is that I have been to see these other drivers race many, many times and that's what I based my opinions on. The porch dwelling cheerleader of which that are too many of from PA thinks that because they handle the Outlaws at the Grove (and only the Grove) about 30% of the time (over history) that makes them the greatest. They are brutal against them on virtually all other neutral ground but the Posse fan refuses to acknowledge this which has always been my point and stats prove it. At Lincoln this year they dominated but at Attica a couple of years ago the OH guys did about the same thing, it happens and when it does it is GREAT for the local fans but just don't get used to it. The Outlaws have lost a lot of good drivers over the years and you have some of them in PA as a result, they (The Outlaw tour) will never be what they once were and that's reality. I hate to think of what is going to happen when Steve and Sammy go, they certainly seem to mean a whole lot to that tour to this very day. It won't be pretty when they leave....
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Based on that response, I feel like we agree, even if you can't grasp it.
I'm hardly a cheerleader, if I was, I wouldn't have been wearing a Jason Meyers shirt at the last local race I went to and I wouldn't go to the WoO shows to see those guys race. I know the top Outlaws are the BEST in a winged sprint and I love watching what they can do when they are in town. When do I say differently? As we've discussed on this board before (and you bashed the hell out of me for it then), I follow and participate in a HELL of a lot more racing then just sprint cars, and there is a hell of a lot about racing that you know nothing about. You've taken a lot of pictures apparently, not sure how that makes you an expert on driving talent? You have seen much more about sprint car racing then me, from what I've heard, that was years ago. I'm going off of whats happened recently, in the past few years.
Ohio is strong, Knoxville/Husets is strong, CA has good racing for the amount of shows they run, never made mention of them not being stout....but as long as you bash the PA locals, I'll stand up for them. The fact that you can run your mouth about anyone that sits behind a wheel while you've never touched one is all I need to respond. Maybe this is when you start talking about going 100 in your 30 year old Porsche again, guess we'll see...
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