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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on July 10 2012 at 09:31:54 AM
You can't require 1 LR tire for the whole night. You have to allow for stagger changes as the track changes. But you certainly could mandate they be harder.
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You wouldn't have to allow for stagger changes as long as everyone is playing by the same rules.
Take your pick whether you want to be setup for early in the night or later in the night and live with it.
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I agree with Vande, it seems like I have seen better/closer WoO shows in the last couple years, prior to that its not that they were all bad but there was more of a tendency to get a fast track and see spread out no passing racing.
Maybe its just coincidence and I've just gotten to see good racing and has nothing to do with the tires.
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Any of you that think you can run one LR tire all night have obviously never worked on a sprint car. there are nights when you might have to run a (going off hoosier sizes) 90 in a heat race and a 94 in the main. If you think that you can run a 90 all night long you would see plenty of passing when everyone is spinning out in the main or a 94 all night you will have 4 cars left for the main because everyone was so tight in the heats they all tipped over. Of course I am from california where we have small tracks that change drastically throughout the night so a lot of you might not understand what I am getting at. Out here we do have a LR compound rule to help with the expense at least where you run hoosiers. KWS which is on goodyears allows a new tire whenever you hit the track though.
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July 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: Fuelstick on July 10 2012 at 08:52:17 AM
The WoO Goodyear contract is up this year,so if they cant keep up with supply & demand I cant really see them getting another contract,especially when there product has been substandard the past few years.
As for Hoosier keeping up with supply & demand,they never ran out of tires the years they did have the contract,so cant see it being a problem for them,Goodyear should just stick to making their D8 Dozer tires,oh yeh whats that other tire they make? oh NAPCAR,they can stick with them too lol
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well said i totally agree, get rid of shityear and go back to hoosiers
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July 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: jlloyd31 on July 10 2012 at 03:24:27 PM
well said i totally agree, get rid of shityear and go back to hoosiers
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You cannot mandate one LR for all night.... Tracks change stagger needs adjusted or you have nothing but wrecks.... lets save tire money but turn around and spend 10x more in torn equipment.
Also Hoosier had its fair share of "shortages" this time of year. and that was pre tire rule when you could run anything you wanted.
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July 10, 2012 at
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I remember racers getting DQ'd for going over there qualifying times back in the day, Didn't tracks change then too. They should have a harder tire for some tracks after all they have done thier homework all these years haven't they ?? Seems they always make some kind of crap rule that ends up hurting them in the long run & then have to amend it somewhere down the line.
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July 10, 2012 at
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Hear is my take on what is going on!! I have sold and mounted 100"s of tires back in the late 80's-- 90's. Years ago Goodyear was KING in Sprint car racing, and Nascar. At that time the race tires( NASCAR, & sprint where made at the same location. Goodyear has X amount of employes working there, It takes X amount of time to make a race tire!!! Goodyear could not keep up with the demand!! So the lesser of the two suffered SPRINT CARS!!! That is why Hossier step up into NASCAR and we had tiregate in NASCAR!!!!!
I am not sure if this is the case now!!!
I do know this. This year more than the past two, it seems as if the spring team are n blowing more tires than the last two. WoO has mandated that all four courners of the car must had Goodyears on them. These two factors have used up the time/supply that Goodyear was able to produce in past years.
I do think the Goodyear tires have made better racing for the fans!!! I don't think any track, or oginazition should tell teams what tires to run, or how many tires they can us a night!!! They are not saving anyone any money!!!! If there is a need for a spec tire, I feel it should be a tire/tires( different componds) that is a stock tire from one, two, three tire companies. This would give the teams options!!! It is a tough deal for these car owners to put a $70,000.00 car onto the track and have to be at the mercey of a $250.00 tire all night long!!!
Sprint car racing is not cheap we all know that!!! I fell the teams should have control of what they run. What is next motors, rear ends, rod ends????? mabe C.O.T!!! I hope not!!!
P.S. C.O.T. === car of tomorrow!!!!!
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July 10, 2012 at
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I wish they would just have the fuel rule and the 410 cid rule and be done with it. When the WoO started out that was the best deal going,NO RULES,or very few,it really made it grand they came from everywhere,unloaded and ran,wonderful.Then came the rules,yeah to try and control the costs.Yeah right.
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July 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: Fuelstick on July 10 2012 at 08:52:17 AM
The WoO Goodyear contract is up this year,so if they cant keep up with supply & demand I cant really see them getting another contract,especially when there product has been substandard the past few years.
As for Hoosier keeping up with supply & demand,they never ran out of tires the years they did have the contract,so cant see it being a problem for them,Goodyear should just stick to making their D8 Dozer tires,oh yeh whats that other tire they make? oh NAPCAR,they can stick with them too lol
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Ever think that Goodyear doesn't want to renew the contract and is now starting to diminish their supply so that they don't have a bunch of tires in their warehouse next year? That would make sense to me...
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July 11, 2012 at
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the actual goodyear company is badly run maintained ruthless with very slick sales ppl ... on a world wide scale they certainly interferred and destroyed some of there name with several decisions over last 10 to 15 years.... btw of course i a disgruntled ex employee and there business there choice :)
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Posted By: vande77 on July 10 2012 at 09:16:02 AM
Don't forget though. the WRG asked for a sub-standard product in order to make the racing better.
Were Hoosier tires better, Yes and No. They had just as many tire failures as Goodyear (they ran Hoosiers the year that Sides won the King's Royal and EVERYONE lost a tire, and the year that Erin Crocker won @ Tulare and everyone lost a tire, etc., etc.), but they were stickier and the cars went faster, but lacked passing (which is what a majority of the fans are paying to see).
WRG asked to have a harder tire and stiffer sidewall, Hoosier didn't want to do it, Goodyear did, so they got the contract. Overall, racing has been better (more passing).
I remember back in the 80's when pretty much EVERYONE ran Goodyears and hardly anyone ran Hoosier. Heck, it wasn't until Steve Kinser signed a contract with Hoosier in the late 90's or early 2000's before their tires became what they were (the ones to beat).
IMO, the best thing they can do for the racing FAN is to have a hard tire rule in place (I don't care what brand or brands), but make the rules be that they have to punch a certain hardness and you only get to use 1 LR and 1 RR each race night without a penalty.
For those bashing the Late Models, the Late Model Nationals @ Knoxville have produced better racing, more passing, and is almost as much fun as the Sprint Nationals IMO. Plus their tires last for the entire 100 lap feature, the sprints aren't even making it close to that (Dobmeier blew a tire @ Knoxville Saturday night on lap 16 of the feature (1 lap in time trials, 8 laps in his heat and only 16 laps in the feature for a grand total of 25 laps on the LR).
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can not see how they can run just 1 tire on right and 1 tire on left. One tire on rt is ok, but your stagger needed changes from TT and heat and feature. You may need 13 inch for TT and 12 for heat and 10 for feature. You would probably see alot of crashes when cars push into wall and spinout . You can just be off 1 inch of stagger and driver can not drive car.
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July 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: vande77 on July 10 2012 at 09:16:02 AM
Don't forget though. the WRG asked for a sub-standard product in order to make the racing better.
Were Hoosier tires better, Yes and No. They had just as many tire failures as Goodyear (they ran Hoosiers the year that Sides won the King's Royal and EVERYONE lost a tire, and the year that Erin Crocker won @ Tulare and everyone lost a tire, etc., etc.), but they were stickier and the cars went faster, but lacked passing (which is what a majority of the fans are paying to see).
WRG asked to have a harder tire and stiffer sidewall, Hoosier didn't want to do it, Goodyear did, so they got the contract. Overall, racing has been better (more passing).
I remember back in the 80's when pretty much EVERYONE ran Goodyears and hardly anyone ran Hoosier. Heck, it wasn't until Steve Kinser signed a contract with Hoosier in the late 90's or early 2000's before their tires became what they were (the ones to beat).
IMO, the best thing they can do for the racing FAN is to have a hard tire rule in place (I don't care what brand or brands), but make the rules be that they have to punch a certain hardness and you only get to use 1 LR and 1 RR each race night without a penalty.
For those bashing the Late Models, the Late Model Nationals @ Knoxville have produced better racing, more passing, and is almost as much fun as the Sprint Nationals IMO. Plus their tires last for the entire 100 lap feature, the sprints aren't even making it close to that (Dobmeier blew a tire @ Knoxville Saturday night on lap 16 of the feature (1 lap in time trials, 8 laps in his heat and only 16 laps in the feature for a grand total of 25 laps on the LR).
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Unfortunantly you are a touch bit wrong there,Hoosier did make a stiffer sidewall,the SC12 has a stiffer wall than a regular D12, the SC15 has a stiffer sidewall than a regular D15,also the Goodyear compounds are not harder than the Hoosier compounds. What is fact tho,is that Goodyear put belts inside their tires to stop them growing so they stand up when spinning at a high rate. This is fact,because our team was involved in the testing of Goodyears for WoO before they started running them,when they were trying to get the tire design right.
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Posted By: frenchy on July 10 2012 at 08:27:07 PM
Ever think that Goodyear doesn't want to renew the contract and is now starting to diminish their supply so that they don't have a bunch of tires in their warehouse next year? That would make sense to me...
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I think your on the money there too,agreed!
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It's funny how the goodyears weren't supposed to grow so much...look at any picture of a goodyear tire at speed (left or right), and they are bowed up as round as a basketball! I never saw a hoosier grow as much as these goodyears do. Even when the cars are idleing around the track, the tires are so rounded that you can see the RR is only rolling on the middle 2/3 of the tread.
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Goodyear is junk for sprint car racing bottom line
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July 11, 2012 at
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AS boring as late model racing? IMHO, late models at Grand Forks and Fargo put on a better show (on average night after night) than do the sprint cars. A WoO late model race will usually be better racing than a WoO sprint car race, just not the excitement and wild speeds. I especially love their time trials as compared to boring ass sprint car time trials, get 4 cars on the track separated by 1/4 of the track and let them go for a couple wild laps--an exciting format they use..
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It was announced at the drivers meeting Friday at Eldora's WoO show that no one was allowed to run a 200 LR tire for the feature due to the fact that there werent enough to go around and that many teams couldnt get them. How would you like to be a driver strapping in for a 25 lap A main wondering when/if your LR tire is going to blow due to the fact Goodyear couldnt supply the tires they said they would in their contract? Just sayin.
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Posted By: jlloyd31 on July 10 2012 at 03:24:27 PM
well said i totally agree, get rid of shityear and go back to hoosiers
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amen can their shit and back to HOOSIERDADDY
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Posted By: spot1 on July 10 2012 at 07:23:29 AM
Late Models boring? What are you smoking? Went to the Gopher 50 Late Model race at Deer Creek on Saturday and I guess cars going two/three wide the entire 50 lap race is boring. I guess the top three running three wide on the last lap would be boring. This attitude that sprint cars are the only form of acceptible racing and that only sprint cars can have good racing is pathetic and idiotic. Only idiots have this attitude, as well, sheesh.
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I'll drive ten hours to a sprintcar race; wont drive 30 minutes for a taxicab race.
posted this on another thread but it applies here as well:
saw a T-shirt at knoxville a couple years back that pretty well sums this up:
LATE MODELS SUCK
and yes, I am one of those "sprintcar snobs" and no, I don't feel bad about it and no, there is nothing you can say to change my mind.
As far as the original topic goes, it is unacceptable that any manufacturer runs out of tires (unless there is a rubber shortage I don't know about).
305's are the herpes of sprint cars
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I walked right into my local Mr. Tire on Thursday and got a set that was in stock...Shoot, I even got a manufactuers rebate form of $40.00 off per tire...Offer expires at the end of August...:)
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