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I guess I'm just not as smart as you BRR... I'm still just dumb enough however to see 10 times as many limited sprint cars than 410s across the country and even closer racing.

Doug Auld

If the saying "It's always been expensive to race" is true, how come so many of the legends of our sport were from poor families... and many fielded their own cars?

If taking away some wing and some tire to loosen up winged sprints would put the skill of the driver to the forefront. How could any real racer be opposed to that?

Gary Beam

"In 1984, I bought two Gaerte Engines for $25,000," said Beam. "I can't buy (an engine) today for under $38,500. Then we're looking at a $3,500 freshen-up job every 10 shows. Some things have remained in the same range price-wise, but the engines have escalated and the purses haven't risen to offset the cost."

Butch Beasley

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I think that there will only be rich people with sprint cars and car counts will be down. Tracks will have to pay more on the lower end to keep people racing."

Jeff Creasy

"This is the last driver (Heimbach) I'll have," Creasy says. "Wherever he goes I'll go. As a sponsor or team manager or whatever. But we don't know what to do. I've been to this point two other times and now I have to make that decision again…The last two weeks he got his feet wet racin' with Rahmer and guys that he looked up to, which is more fun for a kid. But it's a costly endeaver to attempt to do that."

So, will Creasy and Heimbach continue to dominate the 358s or start over with the big boys?

"I don't know," Creasy says. "I just don't know."

Lance Dewease

"Al is a businessman and if he can save money, he is all for it. What businessman isn't?"

"You could buy an engine for $16,000 to $19,000 in the mid-1980s," Dewease said. "Now the engines average $40,000."

"When I started racing in 1985, car counts averaged in the mid 30s and there always seemed to be fans in the stands," Dewease said. "We do have a 358 division now, and that probably has something to do with it. I think more than anything, it is to expensive and purses haven't gone up that much since then."

Dewease thinks the problem (not being able to pass) is easily solved. "The late models went through this years ago," Dewease said. "They had a big right rear and had all these wedges to put in the car, and it was too easy to go fast. We have the same problem. They went to a narrow tire and unhooked the cars and now, they have to race."

"That's what we need to do. The tires have gotten so good, that we need to go to a smaller tire."

Walter Dyer

" The promotors in our area need to stand up and save local racing."

Doug Esh

" ...An interesting conversation with Doug Esh taught me this: these cancellations shouldn't be frowned upon by the fans. It's saving the teams money, possibly $2,000 per cancellation. This means teams can run longer into the year." -Jerry Reigle

Mike Erdly

"I won't be here 10 years from now talking to you about this," Erdley said, who is employed as a service technician. "There's no way I can afford to do it."

Emmett Hahn

"This is for the working man to be able to come and race. This is for the guy that works a 40-hour week to be able to come and race and think he has a chance to win the feature," Hahn said. "Those engines with -12 heads are the ones we want to see in our races. They've been sitting in garages for two or three years and not being raced. We want the guys with those engines to come race with us..."

Greg Hodnett

"Honestly, if I had to own my car, there is no way I could put my family through the financial hardships it takes to field a race car"

…Then Hodnett dropped the line that should be a motivator for all involved.

"No one has the answer to fix it," he said. "But I do know that not doing anything isn't enough."

Chad Kenemah

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Hopefully down a little on cost so all racers can enjoy what they are doing and not be out of money so fast."

Terry McCarl

FlatOut: Is local 410 racing in as bad a shape as it seems, with tracks dropping them and car counts falling?

McCarl: I think it is in really bad shape. I live around Knoxville so it is hard to see. The local tracks need to quit worrying about running with the Outlaws. Stop it…

FlatOut: What about the 360s? You raced them quite a bit last year. I know you don't think that is the answer.

McCarl: 360s are not the answer. I hate them. I don't care what anyone says, it takes the driver out of it…

Andy McKisson

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I see a flaw in the local system where as the costs of owning and racing a Sprint Car are rising every year, but the purses are staying the same and sponsorship is getting harder to come by. So to sum it up, I see in five years the blue collar teams that race with limited budgets no longer being existent."

Dave Middleswarth

"I'm all for anything that cuts my expenses. Even if it was putting toy motors in the cars."

Bob Miller

"We need to get the promoters together and then meet with the drivers and owners."

"The costs in the sport are too high, and something needs to happen. We need to get all the cards on the table and work on the future."

Brian Montieth

"I quit there for a year or two...I just couldn't afford it."

Kevin Schaeffer

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I hope they can get the cost under control. Western Pa. pays the least and the parts cost the same everywhere."

Todd Shaffer

"I think technology in the motors and the tires has made it more difficult to move around," said Shaffer. "It seems like a driver needs to make a huge mistake in order for you to pass them."

"I don't know what the answer is to make it better."

Jack Sodeman Jr

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I see sprint racing getting bigger and just too expensive for a working man to keep up with."

Daryl Stimeling

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Some type of limited racing like 358 Sprints."

Brian Woodhall

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Way too Expensive!!!"

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

I can say I agree. Though I do respect their opinions because I am made to respect my (MUCH) older elders. :)

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A healthy diet of dirt in my nachos and beer.

either that...or you ran out of eggs.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

sorry, Cubic in my quote of you. You meant that they lasted longer then...right? I am not sure what you meant in that sentence. 28 was right...That Hillbilly talk is coon-fusing. :)

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A healthy diet of dirt in my nachos and beer.

cut and paste professional

Those were some interesting numbers CMi. Truth is there are some other things that we could and would like to do to make the 410's faster yet, or atleast on paper (lol) but it would add about $5,000 - $6,000 more per engine. It's already expensive as it is, but yes we could go higher yet.

For 2007 the ASCS is narrowing the rr by taking a block out of the center of the tire and they will go to a harder compound. After Florida this will be the one and only RR tire to be able to run in ASCS competition. I think the ASCS thought it was getting like the 410's in the sense that they were getting so hooked up and most importantly they were playing follow the leader.

Why do some of you clowns get on Cubic for what he does and the insight he gives us, through cut and paste or his own thouughts? Methinks it's jealousy due to a lack of your own gray matter and most certainly the case for his PA counterpart with the greatest selective memory in history.

Those marquis drivers got pounded at the marquis events last year, in case you already forgot, oops. Those same drivers got beat in Posseland by your weaklies as well, something that has not happened to the Outlaws (anywhere but the Grove) since Mr. Brian in the early 90's. Start dealing with the real facts in the real world BRR, backing losers has been your specialty for a while now, let it go. Take It Easy....

until the NST drivers came back you had an $18 ticket...now new life runs thru the veins of the decrepid. you better hope Kinser keeps racing for many more years to bail your spenders out of the hole,they dug for themselves. We will see how many carnies can hitch their wagons to him this time.

Posse Veterans and Posse FOAW still have the best record going against the circus (above 40% wins in this century)...too bad these other "hotbeds" have less to offer, maybe that is why you manage to keep your mouth shut about them and revert to cheerleading wins by the VERY NST DRIVERS that you castigated to support your position.

Have a nice burp...I mean day...

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Jackhole, I'm sorry I don't subscribe to "no child left behind" ...you're simply going to have to work a little bit harder than the rest...lol.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Wesmar, great to hear ASCS is going to a smaller tire. So now Emmett Hahn has addressed both of sprint car racing's major long term problems... Rapid cylinder head development and the cars being stuck too hard. To me that makes the Unified Sprint Car Summit even more of a defensive posture for the 410s.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

MSPN, cut them some slack, it's all in good fun...lol. Besides, they've been attached to Kinser's hind end for so long now they've gotta be blow'd up bigger than ol' dog ticks. I'm sure they're still in shock after the collapse of their reality. What they need most from us right now is our support...lol. (Lord, I apologize.)

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Maybe you should see a Dr. about your short term memory

BRR with all of your knowledge about running a 410 sprint racing series, why dont you you put your money where your mouth is and start your own series. I'm certain it would run perfectly unlike they are now. Better yet, it shure would take alot of capital to do that. How about you be an advisor to all sprint series and they will pay you for all of your council.

and maybe i could piss away $50 mil a little slower than your prefered debtor?

fact: someone paid Kinser and Lasoski to come back...and guess what, it will be financed by the tracks this year.

you people are in denial but it does provide excellent off season entertainment.

tell me how you like it when there is no tow money and the only guys who show up are the guys that already spend a ton of money to make the race...tell me how that satifies the unified sprint summit?

everybody spends and loses money on this sport, including the fans that go each week

wanna save money? cut back on your race schedule like MSPN and Kinser did this past year...OUCH!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Fact: someone paid Kinser and Lasoski to come back...

And I bet you have actual proof and evidence that will back up your accusations???

no not at all. i have no connection to either Laskoski (give me a break) or Kinser...at least i respect Kinser as a driver and person. i am sure he did not take either decision lightly. neither of these guys would do something for nothing...they are good business men who have made themselves into marquis names thru savvy business decisions and winning races.

the same people who came on here and attibuted the "split" to Kinser's personal greed might want to rethink which of the 2 moves actually put more $ in his own personal pocket. i am a capitalist and have no problem with generating profit from effort...this is why the "operational shortfalls" as they are called by some, cause me to laugh when people concern themselves with "saving 410 racing".

locals have altered their rules to conform to the top down approach (WoO) for decades and essentially what has happened is the cars are more evenly matched in terms of speed now than ever before and the TT results are closer than ever...solidfying the freight train theory as track conditions improve. imagine that...the better the track is, the more laps will be turned wide open with fewer check ups = fast but boring race.

what has changed in these decades is the amount of spending required to pass the guy running 10 feet in front of you in 5th place...oh...you wanted to run 2nd and not 7th? ok...you need to spend more $!

wow...$ = speed...where have you people been all these years?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Who cares what they spend, all I want to see is a good show with the best drivers in the country. Fred now has a bottomless pit for money so he will be back on the throne in PA and beating the rest for fun again. This year without the budget he had a regular year which is way better than most, talent does prevail and he proves it. $$$$$ will prevail this year and combined with talent it won't be pretty in your area methinks and yes this may hold truth when the big dogs show up as well.

About a decade ago in this forum I was a big supporter of 360 racing and I was persecuted for my stance, heck I got emails from name 410 drivers showing this displeasure. I will always believe that a good 360 show regardless of the names is much easier to find than a good 410 show and most of the country would agree except maybe PA. The only hotbed of 410 racing in the country is PA which is the ONLY reason they are competitive with the W of O's anymore and then ONLY at the Grove, hmmmm.

A good race is a good race, winged or without, that's all that should really matter to you folks anyway. I might not see too many races in the future but I do have a decent 360 track nearby and they will host the Outlaws this year, that'll work for me. See ya' at the finish line, Take It Easy....

more expert predictions from a man who made it to 1 POSSE race in 2006...

a few weeks ago you posted that Fred did not have a chance because his team would be "underfunded"...now your 2007 racing plan is to watch Canadian 360s?

oh how the mighty have fallen...right onto their own northen slope porch!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

He just had another birthday , and the mind is the first to go at his age.

I said Fred had the lousy year partly due to the lack of money and even you should have figured that out by now, heck your new hero is the Hammer, lol. That will likely change again if Fred starts winning though, fair weather fan, like you are, lol. I was informed of his new found money deal a long time ago by one of your Posse buddies by the way Be prepared for the business as usual reality next year, you boys will be pounded in Florida and whenever they choose to escape from under the porch to venture away from the Grove. It's been that way for years and it ain't gonna change, like the blind squirrel, you (the Posse) may find the odd acorn though, good luck.

Racing is no longer my life, you finally figured out something, well done. I will now qualify to become an expert by going nowhere like you, Opp fan and Hawker, lol. I hope I don't lose all interest, this place will likely keep that from happenin', I hope. Time to mow the lawn before I chase the white ball around this afternoon, isn't global warming wonderful? Take It Easy....