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Internet Troll: 2006 - WoO 4 = 57.143% / Posse 3 = 42.857% - get your math right. Hawker posts those stats several times each year...and you go AWOL!

Rogue - Kville high banked? WTF you smokin?

hhahahahahahahah...ok...next!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

This could get ugly!

BTW - Knoxville is every bit of a 1/2 mile semi-banked "High speed" oval. Best in the nation I might ad.

You use one year, lmao, how desperate is that? You forgot to mention that during the 3 day stop in July there was one Posse top 5 finish out of 15, how impressive is that, lol. History tells us what the numbers are but you're past use has left you with so little memory, coincidence, I think not. Take It Easy....

PS Stop trying to embarass Hawker, he knows well enough that you can't be defended in anything relative to stats or reality. Now tell me more about FLORIDA, oops.....

Maybe it's another bad Republican day for you, another felon caught, your front runner has a sharp kid that can't stand him and Walter Reed ain't goin' away, is it 2008 yet?

Posse cars may not have won a race like they NORMALLY do in Florida, but I still think they made a good showing. Lucas Wolfe was fast and almost won one. Hodnett, Dewease, Krimes and Darrah were fast. Rahmer got a 3rd.

How many Outlaw races have the Knoxville regulars won at Knoxville again? ....How about Posse regulars at Knoxville?

(ps. Esh wasn't light on fuel at the National Open... They said he started running out of fuel because the pick-up inside the tank was out of place from a wreck.)

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Once again cubic and BRR muddy the waters with facts that Nelligan can't understand.

"The Outlaws have people out here that don’t know 
anything about racing. I don’t understand how they 
come up with some of the calls they do. It makes me 
think that they just might be that stupid. It’s 
scary."     -Steve Kinser

And another PA cheerleader who just doesn't get it is heard from, lol. The Posse was brutal in Florida and they have been for about 4 years, them's the facts Jack!

The Knoxville regulars are Lasoski, Dollansky, Wolfgang etc. and they've won plenty against the Outlaws. They moved on up the ladder, unlike the Posse guys who are afraid to leave the porch. What part of that don't you understand? When they venture off that porch things like Florida happen and that's why they travel less and less all the time. Why go out there and get hammered, heck the All-Stars lap them at the Doty, they are wise enough to stay home and pray the Grove doesn't rain out when the big boys are in town coz' that's their only hope for a decent paycheck. Port and Grandview have shown us what happens elsewhere in PA when the Outlaws show up and it has been embarassing, you don't want me to bring up those stats, lol.

I perfectly understand the debate, the numbers don't lie and you have no excuses until things turn around, which it appears is the tenth of never, c'est la vie. Take It Easy...

PS Cubic, on MOST nights the Posse cars went backwards, especially those that started near the front, you wanna look it up.....

K'Ville high banked!?

Rouge: Do not go to Eldora or Pevely.:)

lol Petey... and most definitely stay away from Bull's Gap... wish that joint was closer to Iowa (and they raced sprints there more often) ...

Posse regulars are a threat WHEREVER they run...always have been, always will...Having to RACE your way from twelfth 100 nights a year has its privileges.

Final 2006 North American 410 Sprint Car Poll

rank, driver (first place votes), hometown, state, points

1., Donny Schatz (25), Fargo, ND, 2525

2., Danny Lasoski (2), Higginsville, MO, 1295

3., Tim Kaeding (1), Campbell, CA, 1055

4., Craig Dollansky, Elk River, MN, 622

5., Steve Kinser, Bloomington, IN, 609

6., Joey Saldana, Brownsburg, IN, 562

7., Fred Rahmer, Salfordville, PA, 434

8., Daryn Pittman, Owasso, OK, 324

9., Brooke Tatnell, San Souci, NSW, AUS, 260

10., Lance Dewease, Fayetteville, PA, 239

11., Doug Esh, Lancaster, PA, 176

12., Jason Solwold, Mt. Vernon, WA, 161

13., Jac Haudenschild, Wooster, OH, 157

14., Terry McCarl, Altoona, IA, 148

15., Jason Meyers, Clovis, CA, 119

16., Greg Wilson, Benton Ridge, OH, 95

17., Billy Alley, Lincoln, NE, 64

18., Greg Hodnett, Memphis, TN, 61

19., Jonathan Allard, Chico, CA, 44

20., Brian Brown, Higginsville, MO, 35

21., Chad Kemenah, Fremont, OH, 24

22., Paul McMahan, Oroville, CA, 19

23., Kerry Madsen, Sydney, NSW, AUS, 14

tie, Travis Whitney, Champlin, MN, 14

25., Dale Blaney, Fowler, OH, 7

tie, Ed Lynch, Jr., Apollo, PA, 7

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Perhaps the best way to end this never ending debate is to put your money where your mouth is. Anyone confident enough in your Posse to wager the whole season win for win Posse vs Outlaws say for $1,000 each race? $5,000 each race? Whoever has more wins at the end of the year the loser pays the amount wagered for every win above the others total. For example the Outlaws win six more than the Posse, someone pays up $30,000 or vice versa.

I'm open minded, only those with game need apply, just let me know.

Knoxville vs WoO - 1978 through 2006 (Nationals Included)

Aug 9 1978 Doug Wolfgang - Speedway Motors #4x

Aug 10 1978 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Aug 12 1978 - Doug Wolfgang - Speedway Motors #4x

Apr 21 1979 - Sammy Swindell - Jeffrey #91

Aug 8 1979 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Aug 9 1979 - Main event rained out Tim Green

Aug 10 1979 - Gary Patterson - Aden #4J

Aug 11 1979 - Ron Shuman - Stanton #75A

Apr 19 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Apr 20 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

May 30 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4

May 31 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4

Aug 14 1980 - Mike Brooks - Annett #12

Aug 15 1980 - Sammy Swindell - Jeffery #19

Aug 16 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4

Aug 17 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Sep 20 1980 - Tim Green

Apr 18 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

May 22 1981 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells, Inc. #4

May 23 1981 - Sammy Swindell - Nance #1n

Jul 22 1981 - Sammy Swindell - Nance #1n

Aug 12 1981 - Jack Hewitt - Watson #78

Aug 13 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Aug 14 1981 - Tom Corbin - Deryetcalf #22

Aug 15 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Sep 12 1981 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells, Inc. #4

Apr 17 1982 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells Inc. #4

Jul 21 1982 - Danny Smith - Spurlock #18

Aug 12 1982 - Jimmy Sills - Bailey Bros #01

Aug 13 1982 - Doug Wolfgang - Stanton #75

Aug 14 1982 - Rick Weld

Aug 15 1982 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11

Apr. 16 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Jul 27 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Aug 10 1983 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 11 1983 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a

Aug 12 1983 - Rick Montgomery

Aug 13 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Oct 15 1983 - Keith Kaufmann - Hamilton #77

Oct 16 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Apr 28 1984 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Suiter #18

Apr 29 1984 - Rained Out

Jul 25 1984 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Aug 5 1984 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Aug 6 1984 - Brad Doty - Stanton 75

Aug 7 1984 - Dave Blaney

Aug 8 1984 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29

Apr 27 1985 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Apr 28 1985 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Aug 14 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29

Aug 15 1985 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 16 1985 - Brad Doty - Pack #4a

Aug 16 1985 - Tim Gee - G & G #88g

Aug 16 1985 - Max Dumesny - Trostle #20

Aug 17 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29

Oct 4 1985 - Dave Blaney - Bishop #2

Oct 5 1985 - Brad Doty - Pack #4a

Oct 6 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29

Apr 25 1986 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Apr 26 1986 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1

Jun 25 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 23 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 14 1986 - Dave Blaney - Stanton #40

Aug 15 1986 - Brad Doty - Marks/Kepler #18

Aug 16 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Apr 24 1987 - Brad Doty - Marks-Kepler #18

Apr 25 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 22 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 22 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 15 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

April 29 1988 - Mark Kinser - Reid #6r

April 30 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

June 22 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug. 10 1988 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10

Aug. 11 1988 - Dave Blaney - Nott #48

Aug. 12 1988 - Doug Wolfgang - Kepler #18

Aug. 13 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Apr 28 1989 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Apr 29 1989 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Jun 23 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d

Jun 24 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d

Aug 16 1989 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 17 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d

Aug 18 1989 - Jerry Richert, Jr

Aug 19 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d

Apr 29 1990 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Apr 29 1990 - Doug Wolfgang - Williams #8

Jun 22 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jun 23 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 25 1990 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Aug 15 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 16 1990 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Aug 17 1990 - Jim Bell, Jr. - Bell #3BG

Aug 16 1990 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1A

Apr 26 1991 - Doug Wolfgang - Rogers #49

Apr 27 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jun 21 1991 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Jun 22 1991 - Doug Wolfgang - Rogers #49

Jul 24 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 14 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 15 1991 - Kenny Jacobs - Wintermyer #1w

Aug 16 1991 - Tommie Estes, Jr - Gilliam #29G

Aug 17 1991 - Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Apr 25 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Apr 26 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Jun 19 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Jun 20 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 22 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 12 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 13 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1

Aug 14 1992 - Gary Brazier - Brazier #21AU

Aug 15 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Sep 25 1992 - Tim Monson - Monson #6m

Sep 25 1992 - Dave Blaney - Chupp #7C

Sep 26 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Apr 30 1993 - Danny Lasoski - Forbrook #5

Jun 26 1993 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Jun 27 1993 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Aug 19 1993 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10

Aug 20 1993 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77

Aug 21 1993 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Sep 24 1993 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77

Apr 29 1994 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10

Jun 18 1994 - Main event from Apr 30th cancelled due to rain

Jun 24 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jun 25 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jul 20 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 17 1994 - Andy Hillenburg - Hillenburg #2

Aug 18 1994 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Aug 19 1994 - Greg Hodnett - Two Winners #8TW

Aug 20 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Sep 23 1994 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Apr 28 1995 - Danny Lasoski - Sonner #47

Apr 29 1995 - Cancelled due to thunderstorms. Rescheduled for May 6th.

May 6 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Jun 23 1995 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Jun 24 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Jul 19 1995 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 161995 - Andy Hillenburg - Hillenburg #2

Aug 17 1995 - Danny Lasoski - Hamilton #77

Aug 18 1995 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Aug 19 1995 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Sep 27 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Apr 26 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Apr 27 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Jun 21 1996 - Stevie Smith - Motter #71M

Jun 22 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Jun 22 1996 - Jeff Swindell - 2 Winners #7TW

Jul 24 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Aug 14 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Aug 15 1996 - Terry Mc Carl - Gray #51

Aug 16 1996 - Cancelled due to rain

Aug 17 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Apr 25 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1

Apr 26 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Jul 4 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1

Jul 5 1997 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Jul 23 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Aug 13 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m

Aug 14 1997 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Aug 15 1997 - Gary Wright

Aug 17 1997 - Dave Blaney - Blaney/Hylton 10

Apr 24 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Apr 25 1998 - Postponed to May 2nd due to rain

May 2 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Jul 3 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Jul 4 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Jul 22 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22

Aug 12 1998 - Jeff Swindell - Two Winners 104+

Aug 13 1998 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 14 1998 - Craig Dollansky - Gleason #21G

Aug 15 1998 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83

Jul 2 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83

Jul 3 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83

Jul 21 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83

Aug 11 1999 - Craig Dollansky - Dollansky #7

Aug 12 1999 - Tyler Walker - Walker #35

Aug 13 1999 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1

Aug 14 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Apr 28 2000 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1

Apr 29 2000 - Danny Lasoski - Roth Racing #83

Jun 30 2000 - Johnny Herrera - DOCC M'sports #20

Jul 1 2000 - Stevie Smith - Smith #19

Jul 19 2000 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 9 2000 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 10 2000 - Craig Dollansky - Karavan Racing #7

Aug 11 2000 - Keith Kaufman - Middleswarth #7K

Aug 12 2000 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M

Apr 27 2001 - Craig Dollansky - Karavan Racing #7

Apr 28 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L

Jun 29 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L

Jun 30 2001 - Stevie Smith - Smith #19

Jul 16 2001 - Jason Meyers

Aug 8 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L

Aug 9 2001 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15

Aug 10 2001 - Manny Rockhold - Gould #02

Aug 11 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L

Apr 26 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Jun 28 2002 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart #20

Aug 7 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Aug 8 2002 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15

Aug 9 2002 - P.J. Chesson - Chesson #76

Aug 10 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11

Apr 25, 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Apr 26, 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Jul 4, 2003 – Steve Kinser – Kinser #11

Jul 5 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Aug 14 2003 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15

Aug 14 2003 - Steve Kinser – Kinser #11

Aug 16 2003 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

May 1 2004 – Mark Kinser – Roth #83

Jun 25 2004 – Joey Saldana – Woodward #2

Jun 26 2004 – Craig Dollansky – Karavan #7

Aug 11 2004 – Tim Kaeding – Roth #83

Aug 12 2004 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Aug 14 2004 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Apr 29 2005 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20

Apr 30, 2005 - Steve Kinser – Kinser #11

Jun 24 2005 - Kraig Kinser – Kinser #11k

Aug 10 2005 – Fred Rahmer – Harz 88H

Aug 12 2005 – Shane Stewart – Rudeen #26

Aug 14 2005 - Kraig Kinser – Kinser #11k

Jun 23 2006 – Joey Saldana – Kahne #9

Jun 24 2006 - Cancelled due to rain

Aug 9 2006 – Fred Rahmer – Klein #22

Aug 10 2006 – Jason Johnson – Rowe #41

Aug 11 2006 – Calvin Landis – Landis #70

Aug 12 2006 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15

Oct 7 2006 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15

Member of this message board since 1997

Aug 15 1996 - Terry Mc Carl - Gray #51

this win appears to have been a split field night?

ooooopppppps!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Yes, I know Eldora has a steeper banking than Knoxville. I meant it relatively, i just forgot to say that.

Ok, so tell me why is a paperclip with flat corners more of an advantage than any other track in the country? The Outlaws are the best drivers in the country; they adapt to the track everywhere else they go.

You are saying that some of the Outlaw regulars have struggled for many years at the Grove because they don't know the track? I would buy that argument the first couple times an outsider comes to the Grove, but the Outlaws run seven races a year at the Grove (barring any rainouts).

A guy like Danny Lasoski probably has close to 100 career starts at the Grove and still struggles most of the time the Outlaws are there. Using your logic about not knowing the track, I guess it would take 1,000 starts before he knows the track. The only three guys on the Outlaw tour of the past 15 years that have flat figured out the Grove are Steve Kinser, Mark Kinser and Donny Schatz.

You do know the Grove isn't the only track of its shape and size that the Outlaws visit, right? Lebanon Valley (N.Y.) is a near carbon copy of Williams Grove in terms of shape and size. 

Same pathetic arguments. BRR chooses the one year that the WoO is split. So splintered that he made fun of them all year and insisted they should refund money due to the lack of stars, yet even in that season of WoO mediocrity, the travelers still beat the posse 4-3 on the toughest track in the country. Not even the biggest home field advantage in the business was enough to help the posse actually beat a fractured WoO.

So with that being painfully obvious, BRR's WoO bashing friend is next upon the podium spinning his Knoxville stuff and trying to take the focus off the fact that the posse failed against the "bottom-half" (BRR words, not mine) of the WoO.

Spin all you want guys, I was in Florida and the posse really was not in any equation. Not a factor when it came down to actual racing against a full field.

TommyBahama has a novel idea, wager a little. BRR or Hawker, so sure of your posse. How about you give me $10 for every outlaw win in the state of Pennsylvania and I give you $15 for every posse win in an outlaw sanctioned race. Sound fair? Better yet, make it $100 vs $150.

Ok...bash away, change the subject, bring up another sanction, spin however you like, but can you man up or not?

I would like to add Haudenschild to the points race but Bonzai has yet to figure out how to qualify. I think Haud has passed 10-20 more cars than anyone but is always in the back b/c of the new system and competition. So when/if things ever get fixed I'd have to say he is one to watch but right now it's a BIG IF.

Coach - i simply pointed out last year (42%) because it was easy to remember...unlike you and Mulligan - i do NOT follow the faultering series with a broom to sweep up their mistakes under the rug. matter of fact, last years tickets were CHEAPENED by the lack of star power, if that wasn't the reason should we plan on cheap tickets this year too?

it appears that the Kville stats are verifying that RAHMER has beaten the Outlaws more times in the last 5 years than the Kville locals have beaten them in their ENTIRE EXISTENCE.

i got $10 on the Posse against the allstars...you abandoning your team already? now about those scales...did you get them fixed? btw: Floriduh held points races for the Allstars and the Outlaws (not the posse)...so how did it work out for the Allstars?

i support local racing...you guys just cant wait for the opportunity to buddy up with the circus.

in my book that exposes @sskissers of sorts...and this recent round of posts and attacks folks like me, who do not kiss the ring pretty much certifies it.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Coach, dum dum just doesn't get it. Knoxville regulars are guys like Lasoski and Wolfie and others that have left the nest to go out and race the best. They wanted the competition and they went for it. They have won often against the Outlaws but his blindness will never allow him to see or understand that. Fred had a couple of nice wins at the Nationals against split fields and went backwards the last three years in the dash and the final, when it counted! Lance's effort last year until he wrecked was as stellar as any I have ever seen on a Nationals preliminary night. This is never brought up because you can't see it from the porch.

The Posse used to dominate Florida and then the Outlaws started realizing that if these guys can win we can doiminate and for the last four years down there that is what you have seen. This happens everywhere in the country but at one track, the Grove. The Posse fans hate me because I expose the myth of their greatness when in reality it is a one track wonder deal for the most part. Heck, none of this matters anyway because Scooter is guilty, lol. Guilty of protecting those above him, he fell on the sword but will be pardoned, slick Willy made the pardon his personal pllay toy. Take It Easy......

Steve usually runs behind this time of the year. If he's got the mojo, he'll be in front by May.

no a mention of the failed claim that Kville locals doing better than the Posse?

i guess the STATS are more friendly to your myths when they are not posted for all to see.

just like the fabled "fastest half mile"...you fall short on facts again.

some people run away and join the circus and only come home when they crash.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May