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"Bigfish - For the record, Jesse Hockett is quite exciting in a winged car also."

Oh yeah,I'm sure he is,I was just saying that when you have that somthing extra it stands out more in a hot lap session in a non-wing and on a big track like manzy especialy when its heavy like it was that night. You can see the confidance right away. Now Gardener may have had the confidance when he first started racing at Manzy but it took him some time to have the skill to haul it into turn 2 like you need to at that track. Ask the guys who had to put his car it back together.

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Petey, there have been FEW wingless guys to race in that deal other than a few catch drives. I did saw a kid from Texas win one of those on 7 cylinders once and Boston Reid had been mostly a winged guy when he won. The mopar million was dominated by the winged guys, Sammy has been the best at the Chili Bowl, Hockett and Bud Kaeding, plus Damion Gardner are winged guys who found their success primarily against the non-wingers. Is that enough?

Only in your world have bell bottoms made a comeback anywhere Hawker, lol. Not sure what Emmitt has to do with this debate but he gave many guys a start to the Outlaws with his series and it's the best 360 Series in the country. I think it's just a typical cheap shot at somebody who's had success, you like to do that. Take It Easy...

Sammy and Haud both have lots of non-wing experience and both are "no fear" kind of guys. I've seen them both run plenty without a wing at Manzy and If I'm not mistaken both cut their teeth running many non-wing events. Sammy ran his midget every year at the classic when two of the three nights were winged shows and he owned it!. Not many who follow traditional sprint's and winged cars were surprised at those boy's doing well. Stevie smith, now that was a surprise. I heard he put on a huge right rear and that everybody thought he was crazy...wrong. Hockett and Bud still have a thing or two to prove in a non-wing car, lets see how well Gardener doe's this year. Again, Jesse's and Buds, let it all hang out style ,suited them for non-wing cars . Everyone knows non-wing cars are more dangerous! Right off the top of my head Shuman won at Knoxville, Leland the dirt cup, just for starters.

I remember when USAC's car count was down etc and their was a rumour about putting on wings. Jack Hewitt was asked about it and he said if USAC's new president was thinking that he needs to go back to California where he came from...Love ya Jack.

Boat and Yeley were not pavement specialists, I watched them both come up at Manzy, but both, especialy boat ran Indy and did well. Remember ?

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Not taking anything from Travis, but the track was super dryslick that night and a 7 cylinder V8 was then best thing that could have happened (poor mans TC). Boston was winning everything in sight in 2003 without a wing (2002 also). Fact is, he never gained fame, or won any big races until he took off the wing. Same thing with Gardner, Kaeding and I'll even throw in Kasey Kahne.

It was not a jab at Emmett, it was simply a fact that I wanted to see if you would tap dance around. I disagreed until I was "set straight" by a couple of 410 car owners. I only brought it up to push the point that soon, the winged 410's will be the dinosaurs.

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Thanks for proving my point. There are many guys who didn't do much with a wing but started winning right away when they slowed down and raced the non-wing boys, your examples are just what I was talking about.

As for Mr. Hahn, the negative words you may have heard where related to his attempt to start another 410 series, some people hate competition. As for 410 being dinosaurs, many years ago I started pumping up the 360's and caught major flack, in here and from some drivers. It didn't take a brain surgeon to see what was happening in the 410 ranks and it has continued. However, there will always be 410 touring series putting on very good shows and one non-wing deal rarely putting on shows period. The PAS will succeed because they have some of the best in the country racing there weekly, not unlike what you have in Central PA but the others will be much smaller deals and old time racing like it always has been. Much like the South ain't gonna rise again, either is the traditional sprint car. To each his own, there is enough good to please us all, Take It Easy....

If I was you, I wouldn't want to debate me either!

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Fair enough. I repsect guys like Kaeding and Gardner a ton. Bud IMO is a more versatile driver than his father and brother and the Demon is fun to watch. And since you brought up the Bowl there was a span of about 5 or 6 years (92 to 96) where primary winged sprint racers were winning that race but not since Sammy's last win in 98 has a primary winged sprint racer won it. It's amazing that Steve and Lasoski have still never won that race isn't it? Then again there's a lot of great drivers that should have won that one like Kevin Doty, Ron Shuman and the Jones boys. And believe me I was stoked when I saw the results from Manzy last week. Lil' Stenhouse is a driver that I've enjoyed watching the last four years and I think if given a good ride he'll get the job done.

If you look at my profile on indianaopenwheel.com you'll see a sentence I typed describing myself quote "Born and raised a wing fan but now have a huge interest in the traditional winged stuff." Just trying something different and am enjoying every bit of it, and trying to give credit where credit is due.

"Thanks for proving my point. There are many guys who didn't do much with a wing but started winning right away when they slowed down and raced the non-wing boys, your examples are just what I was talking about."

That just proves that those boy's knew what they liked and could run em like the good one's. Look at the style of those drivers mentioned. High and wide and feeling the car..Not being "locked down" and running on a rail.

I was up in Wash St in the mid 70's and early 80s and would drive across that state to go to Skagit to see the winged show and the beautiful super mods they had at that time. They ran the track super heavy then and the banking was different than now. You had to run it high and because of the banking even the winged cars had to pitch it in, it was a good show and a great facility.

When I got back to Phoenix in 85 I was so excited to see CRA on the big track I hit my head on the arches going in. If you ever saw Leland running high at Manzy you would know why he won the dirt cup, It goes both ways,either you have "IT" or you don't.

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