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How did you get 8 low rollers?  I think you may have counted the top 20 and included Sweet and Peck. 

It's still not 8 locked into the A, no matter if you call the full time members in good standing for high limit (WoO platinum member equivelant) high rollers (HLs term) very high rollers (your term).

You were wrong about the number of WoO Platinum members in A so it stands to reason you would be wrong about the HL full time points fund eligible very high rollers as well.  

I'm enjoying the nationals as always with 0 care to affiliation, but again, race fan here, no pom poms

I used your format of everything being equal but changing the A main position difference to four points. I did the top 35.

2024 Altered Format- A main lock-ins

1-5- Larson, Pittman, Courtney, Ca. Macedo, Scelzi

6-10- Abreu, Allen (+9), Randall (+7), Marks (+3), Balog (+3)

11-16- Bogucki (-1), Brown (-5), Bacon (-4), Macri (-6), Peck (+3), Day (-5)

Notes: Mark and Balog came down to the 3rd tiebreaker which is 2nd qualifying lap. Didnt look those up, just put Marks ahead. Only guy to jump in from outside the current top-16 is Peck. He replaces Sheldon.

Saturday B-main lock-ins

17-20- Sweet, Haudenschild (-4), Zearfoss (+6), McFadden (-1)

21-26- Eliason (-1), Reutzel (+5), Gravel (-1), Wise (+4), Williamson (-2), Juhl (-7)

Notes: Reutzel and Wise move in. Zomer and Henry fall out.

The Rest

27-30- Zomer (-3), Kahne (+1), Schuerenberg (+4), Price-Miller (+4)

31-35- C. McCarl (+1), Henry (-6), Sams (+2), K. Madsen (-4), Holmes (-4)

Could someone from the outside the top 35 jump in? Sure. I wasnt doing all that though. I still think the format is fine, but wouldn't be bothered if they did this too. Also, the way they give points for the C-Main guys, if you keep dropping by four, you'd run out of numbers, so there'd need to be some alterations to it.

Fun to look at though.

You can't reward more for the A and still have an invert. So that would mean the top time triallers who qualify through the heat would start straight up. Jake Allen benefitting from a mediocre time trial run by getting a front row spot in the A main and then getting more points for that A main run makes no sense for example. 

I have 8 Holy Rollers locked in by my count, unless some of them have folded. 

Larson

Courtney

Abreu

Macri

Day

Marks

Randall

Allen 

Chase Randall is not, only ran 7 High Limit races this year. 

Macri is not, has only ran 17 shows (and 15 Outlaw shows).

Larson isnt even full time, as he's only run 15 of the 30 races.

So technically, only 5 full-timers.

Larson is a Cup driver who dabbles in sprint car racing. Anthony Macri has run more HL races than Larson. 

I see you got your pom poms out lol.

Lighten up bruh. I was just busting your chops. I really don't care who's what but I mean he has a stake in the business so fine claim him.

But, since if asked, he would state he is representing HL, isn't that enough to be considered a HL Member in Good Standing and eligable for end of year contingency awards and points fund money, as well as Provisionals (if needed, which lol, he wouldn't need one) just like the WoO Platinum Members can just claim alligiance to the WoO and be eligable in that series too? All in line with what the rule book states I am sure. 

Why is this so important to you? I'm from Pa just like you. I pull for Pa drivers whether it be Marks ,Schuhart or Macri I don't care who they run with. Affiliation means nothing.

We should do the HL/WoO after the field is set after hard knox night and Sat. nights B main finish. 

I'm just glad to be back here for about my 10th year in a row, 2 weeks of great racing!

Wow, nice work. Very interesting. I like that Juhl gets moved down since he didn't go too well in the feature. I'd be ok with this. A 25 lap performance in theory should matter more than a heat or TT.

You are right, Kyle should talk to the HL folks and get them to change the HL rule book to allow for being at most of the races to maintain the member in good standing portion of the rulebook, for him at least, that way the rule book would be in line with your opinion and the people who you talk to's opinions. Rule books are just suggestions anyway (see USAC thread about weight added forward of the front axle). 

If you did that, then there shouldn't be a feature invert. You can't invert a guy to the pole and give him more feature points for finishing 5th than a guy that started farther back and passed some cars to finish 6th. Everyone likes inverts but you can't gift them points for finishing towards the front when they were inverted there. 

In the past I was in favor of tweaking the format to maybe a 6 heat race invert instead of 8, but the bottom line is that there is no perfect format and this one works pretty well. There's no way to factor luck or track conditions out of the equation and you have to balance out the inverts so they are fair to the racers, but still provide good entertainment value for the fans. The current format is OK and I think the biggest improvement they ever made was changing the Friday format into a full show with the top 4 qualifying for Saturday's A main. 

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Exactly... However, one other factor: There are more entries in overall qualifying than in each heat, so a guy qualifying 50th (or whatever is last) is a lot further behind in points than  a guy finishing 8th or 10th in a heat

Hey, Strawsie, I started this thread about the format

Then YOU hijacked it into HL vs. WoO

Perfectly legitimate subject, so start another thread

But "is Larson HL" is one of the dumbest arguments ever... have at it, on ANOTHER PAGE

Pretty much how I feel, tho I just started this thread by suggesting they cut the invert to 6.... ;)

Like the man said, no perfect format. I even like the Chili Bowl format & the old Allstar format

Just interesting to speculate about it