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Any WoO platinum member could run any race they wanted. What they couldn't do, was continue to get town money because they had signed a contract that said they'd get the tow money if they agreed to the WoO terms. Didn't Jason Sides try to contest the legality of that contract?

But you can't give an example right? That's what I thought.

Oh I'm well aware of the terms. But they all signed and nobody really complained.

Then why didn't they run last year? As stated Gravel only used one if it was such a big deal shouldn't they all have maxed out their 4 allowed non Woo races? What gives?

Jason Sides.

One series is announcing huge money, and a vison for the future. The other is announcing Bill Rose as a huge announcement. Lmao. It is time for change! 

Jason Sides and Lil Haud have both asked and been denied.  Sides sued WRG over it because they denied him and let someone else race outside of WRG ( I don't remember the details why) and pulled his tow and point money.  I believe the lawsuit said he lost something like 70 grand.  I don't know exactly how that ended though.

yeah because a race that pays $250,000 to win isn't "huge" money... and another aspect you overlook in this whole highlimit ordeal is that they literally need to go out and create a buzz and announce their vision to the fans, drivers, and whoever else. If they fail to create interest then their series fails as a whole. Whereas the Outlaws have a built in base audience and can announce following drivers and big races. They don't need to worry about initial failure like Highlimit does.

I remember the Sides deal was a little while ago forgot about Lil Hauds deal with I think was Wayne county? Ironic how both teams are signed up again.

I just signed up on the message board today. Long time follower, 1st time caller. I have been reading the message board about High Limit vs. WoO. As a latemodel fan ( I also enjoy sprint cars) I have been blessed with 2 national tours for the past 20years. Having 2 national tours has only allowed the sport to grow. We have had 8 to 10 drivers win more than or around 1 million dollars in the last 2 years. Minus Logan's eldora million win. How many sprint car drivers can say that? Gravel was easily the highest sprint car earner and he would not be in the top 5 in latemodel earnings. This was inevitable that 2nd national tour was to be created. It needed to be done. Too many good teams being left on the sideline. One single series could not sustain 20 teams. I am going to try and put a positive view and objective view on this debate.

To me the Hight Limit series is already doing what it was intended to do. It has almost doubled the amount money sprint car teams can run for by 4 to 5 million in purse money. The Outlaws increased their benefits for their teams. AFCS in Ohio has increased theie purses and benefits. I hear they destroyed the Allstars. As an outsider I can assure you the Allstars appeard to be dying. Only 2 drivers completed the entire season with them last year(Windom and Morrell) Others were replaced or injured for part of the year and missed races. Never had a clue who was going to be at an Allstar race. That is not always a good thing. If it was, I don't think Tony would have sold it. Now there is a chance for another existing series in Ohio to grow. The FAST Series. They already have the speedweek.

It appears to me the Highlimit Series has a more accomplished roster top to bottom. (12 HL to 10 WoO right now) That can't be argued. Just look at the resumes of each. However, the outlaws are not going to hurt for talent. I expect both series to add drivers to their rosters and put on great shows. Again, only good for the sports growth. I think it also important to listen to the drivers and why they joined Highlimit. Some enjoyed the chance to get time off. Some will still get to race their local tracks or other races without being penalized. The latemodels have enjoyed this luxory for 20 years. Currently the WoO sprints have 2 off weekends. Fourth of July and Weekend before world finals.

Highlimit is creating a buzz as they should be, but so are the outlaws as they should be. The outlaws have always created a buzz. I just think we have become numb to it or ignored it because it was the only one. What is going to happen if Larson and Sweet win 40 to 60% of the races? I don't know. What happened when Kinser, Swindell and Schatz were winning all the races? I do know Highlimit is here and those that don't like it, better at least accept it, because unlike the upstart series in the past, I think it is here to stay. As a latemodel fan, I am so excited for you sprint car fans. You will get to experience what we in the latemodel community have enjoyed for 20 years.

This thread is so far off topic... PPM looked really strong in the 9 car at the end of the year. Maybe the consistency as staying in the same ride will yield even more results in 2024. No slouch at all here being added to the HL roster.

Cool! I was hoping someone with late model interests would be able to answer some questions about how LMs and sprints differ at the top level.Can you shed some light on a few questions?
*Does having 2 top tier LM series water down the competition?
*Do the 2 series fight like cats and dogs?
*Do the drivers bounce back and forth?
*Are the series very possesive about *their* drivers and where they can race?
*Has the competition between 2 series been good for the sport?
*Did the sky fall when a second series started?

And welcome to the Hoseheads/ Helter/Skleter message board. :)

It has only helped the sport grow. More money. Like I said, in the last couple years there have been 8 to 10 different drivers earn at or over 1 million dollars.

Last year both series had excellent fields and put on great shows. Drivers from each series suppoerted the other one.

In thebeginning, Lucas was kind of treated like the little step-brother by the outlaws. Now the last couple years they were the premier series. Drivers can run whatever races they want or series they want as long as it doesn't conflict with their series races. Several drivers have run each series. Flip flopping from 1 year to the next. Scott Bloomquist, Tim Mccreadie and Josh Richards were champions of both.

As long as they race their series when scheduled, they don't care. In the beginning, the outlaws really wouldn't acknowledge the lucas accolades. Not the case anymore. The announcers openly credit the drivers for their wins/championships on the other series.

The series have actually worked together to help unify the rules to make it easier for everyone to race together.

Like I said before, I think this was inevitable. The outlaws are just going to have to accept it and adjust. Highlimit going to have some growing pains and are going to have to adjust too, but I believe are hear to stay. They have already worked with the outlaw schedule and did not schedule around the big shows. This is only a benefit to the outlaws. I am actually planning to attend all the outlaw shows at Knoxville this year because of Highlimit. I think the fields will be outstanding. I live in Missouri and am blessed to have both series several times in my area. I think both are going to have a great field of drivers touring with each.

The sky never fell like some thought it would and probably still waiting for it to even though it has been 20 years.That right-IT HAS BEEN 20 YEARS. TWO DECADES latemodels have had 2 series. There still is politics and always will be. Some tracks are still outlaw only tracks, some are Lucas Oil only tracks, but there are some that are both. Just like the sprints are and are going to be.

I am really excited for sprint car racing this year. Look forward to attending both series just as I was with the latemodels. Just have to let the B.S. and politics take care of itself and tune out the people who think they know more than they do.

The Outlaws raced ten miles from home the first time they came up here in 1979 at North Starr Speedway in Blaine, Minnesota.  I was 28 that year.  That track closed and a year or two later they started making an annual stop at Cedar Lake 32 miles from here and that is now a two day show.  They come within an hour of home at Ogilvie and I have seen them at Elko, Princeton, North Central and Jackson which was the furthest at 210 miles.

How far is s a road trip changes as we get older.  Years ago I sometimes drove the 300 to Knoxville and drove home after the races but that was many years ago.  I gather by the NW is your screen name that you're somewhere up in WA.  The High Limit goes up your way and the Outlaws don't.  Apparently you're OK with that and are rooting for HL.  I'm neutral on this deal but admittedly don't travel much anymore so our local WoO show is the one I'd most likely attend.  Basically I liked what we had going on already and HL scheduling against those local shows will have an effect.  I live here and have been going to races since 1960 so I know our local situation and can see more negatives than positives for some long established dates being scheduled against. 

Stan Meissner