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Again I think everyone is making too big of a deal about the whole thing. He will serve his suspension and get another ride. Life goes on and it will eventually be mostly forgotten.
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Posted By: dollansky_7_fan on August 25 2021 at 09:10:52 AM
Sweet fallen off!?!? His last 5 results: 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, nice try with that. And highly doubtful we will see Ruetzel driving for Larson. If I had to guess based of the rumors I've heard, he ends up with a Knoxville area based racing team next season
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Works for me!!!
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I think Reutzel will be running a #83 to finish the season out.
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Posted By: brewer1s on August 25 2021 at 08:29:28 PM
I think Reutzel will be running a #83 to finish the season out.
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The force is strong with this one ....! lol
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Posted By: egras on August 25 2021 at 12:10:28 PM
Kind of agree. But, there are multiple layers and degrees of cheating.
For example:
1. David Gravel was caught "cheating" last month after he weighed in 6 lbs. under weight. The rule is the car and the driver must weight 1400 lbs. at the end of the race. Simple penalty with loss of points/purse, end of story. No malicious intent, was simply gambling on fuel and weight and lost the gamble. No reason for suspension.
2. A guy who reads the rule book from front to back and then says "if it's not in the book, it can't get me a penalty" will try anything on a car that there isn't yet a rule about. Officials see it, outlaw it, and it's not done again. Examples Sammy Swindell with his independent suspension and Ray Evernham on about every car he built at Hendrick Motorsports. Sammy and Ray weren't cheating, they just found loopholes in the rules and pushed those loopholes until the rule was re-written. No cause for suspension here either.
3. A guy who attempts to pass a chassis in pre-race inspection at Knoxville in June. Chassis fails inspection due to thinner than allowed tubing. At this point, this is not a huge deal. Chassis is rejected, and driver competes in events using a previously inspected/ok'd chassis. No reason for suspension.
4. The guy from example 3 takes that previously rejected chassis out of storage, paints it to hide its true identity, carefully removes a sticker from another accepted chassis, and knowingly places sticker on said rejected chassis-------this is grounds for suspension.
Cheating is not cheating. There are many different levels.
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Very well said. I would add another type of cheating and that's someone who cheats but unknowingly for example someone buys a used engine that they're told is legal only to have it deemed illegal after a teardown or something like that. He knew it was illegal and tried to trick the officials and that's going to piss them off.
The thing I find strangest in this whole thing is removing the sticker from the other chassis. Why not just have a duplicate made? The WOO gets the sticker from somewhere, why couldn't he do the same? Seems dumb to me to even try to remove it and place it on another chassis. By the way, I'm not encoraging people to do this, I just think there was a better way.
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1. Nobody knows what part of that chassis had the thin tubing.
2. Reutzel saying the car passed inspection previously is horseshit, if it did why did you peel a sticker, idiot.
3. He is not a fan draw.
4. Will he be back, don't no, don't care. Probably will, BUT, every person walking by in the pits or watching him on the track that is savy to what's going on will wonder. Is that the thin tubing car he got busted with.
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August 26, 2021 at
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August 26, 2021 at
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Actually thin wall tubing is what killed Buddy Bretherton at Daytona in 1989. Exhaust fumes broke thru the firewall and carbonmonoxide knocked Buddy out before he hit the third turn wall. Crew chief Harry Hogg was suspended by Nascar for a year before being reinstated in 1990 with new hot shot driver Cole Trickle. So there is some precedents here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7hMZzSTFoU
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 25 2021 at 07:02:10 PM
Again I think everyone is making too big of a deal about the whole thing. He will serve his suspension and get another ride. Life goes on and it will eventually be mostly forgotten.
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I would have to agree. I'm not professing to be an expert in this area, but surely there are more devious and insidious ways to cheat than to run thin tubing on a car that otherwise meets all the other rules. Granted he knowingly tried to deceive the inspector but every cheater does the same thing in that regard. Of course, this is coming from someone who thinks Larson got a felony conviction for committing a misdemeanor.... I guess I am going soft in my pld age.
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Posted By: brewer1s on August 25 2021 at 08:29:28 PM
I think Reutzel will be running a #83 to finish the season out.
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You are 100% correct, everything will
come out after saturday
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August 26, 2021 at
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Posted By: brewer1s on August 25 2021 at 08:29:28 PM
I think Reutzel will be running a #83 to finish the season out.
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I'm pretty sure this has something to do a certain 83 car at Knoxville that will be without driver after Saturday jught
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Posted By: dollansky_7_fan on August 26 2021 at 08:06:22 AM
You are 100% correct, everything will
come out after saturday
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The suspense is killing me. Is he driving for Lynton Jeffrey or Holbrook Motorsports in 2022?
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Posted By: steelcityguy on August 25 2021 at 07:39:46 AM
Well, first, he's not only suspended by the WoO but the ASCoC are also upholding the suspension. So the two touring series are out, till at least the end of this month. I think that's when the 30 days are up. Second, Sammy was not a cheater, people just hated the way he drove and his "tell it like it is" attitude. There is a big difference between just being hated and cheating. What other area is he going to race and make any money??? Maybe he's just enjoying the 30 day vacation with family and will be ready to roll for the month of September. He could possibly be getting his own 87 up and ready to go for the rest of the year, who knows. Missed opportunities, don't think so. He's not a guy who can jump in to any car and contend for wins, sorry to offend AR fans. Yes, he can jump in a damn good car and run well but again, there is a big difference between the two.
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I never saw Sammy as a cheater either, I don't know Reutzel but those who do, tell one bad story after another. Please stop comparing these two, they are not alike
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Posted By: saphead on August 26 2021 at 05:33:20 AM
Actually thin wall tubing is what killed Buddy Bretherton at Daytona in 1989. Exhaust fumes broke thru the firewall and carbonmonoxide knocked Buddy out before he hit the third turn wall. Crew chief Harry Hogg was suspended by Nascar for a year before being reinstated in 1990 with new hot shot driver Cole Trickle. So there is some precedents here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7hMZzSTFoU
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Horse shit. When Buddy hit the wall in the third turn he was jabbering on the radio about how fast he was going. Carbon menoxide my ass. Nothing killed Buddy but his imagination.
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Posted By: saphead on August 26 2021 at 05:33:20 AM
Actually thin wall tubing is what killed Buddy Bretherton at Daytona in 1989. Exhaust fumes broke thru the firewall and carbonmonoxide knocked Buddy out before he hit the third turn wall. Crew chief Harry Hogg was suspended by Nascar for a year before being reinstated in 1990 with new hot shot driver Cole Trickle. So there is some precedents here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7hMZzSTFoU
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OK, so it's my own damn fault for not paying attention. :) I went to that link expecting something entirely different.
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Posted By: dollansky_7_fan on August 26 2021 at 08:06:22 AM
You are 100% correct, everything will
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He will finish the year for RSR and then start next year before burning himself out of that ride as well. It's how he operates, history always repeats itself
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Posted By: hardon on August 26 2021 at 09:04:17 AM
Horse shit. When Buddy hit the wall in the third turn he was jabbering on the radio about how fast he was going. Carbon menoxide my ass. Nothing killed Buddy but his imagination.
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But why didn't Harry Hogg let them investigate? Why?
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Posted By: Rocket7200 on August 26 2021 at 11:06:50 AM
He will finish the year for RSR and then start next year before burning himself out of that ride as well. It's how he operates, history always repeats itself
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So how is it, how he operates ? Been running 410's 4 seasons now. Three ASCoC championships in a row and then this season was going to plan til he pulled that stunt. You're just another hater RedRocket. So, I hope history does repeat itself, just for you and your hating brethren, because his history is winning !! lol
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Yeah, it was when he tried to get out of the racecar going into turn 3 BEFORE putting on the brakes that things really got messy.....
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Before Buddy hit the wall, how was he actually doing in that race?
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Posted By: El Wingador on August 26 2021 at 12:19:56 PM
So how is it, how he operates ? Been running 410's 4 seasons now. Three ASCoC championships in a row and then this season was going to plan til he pulled that stunt. You're just another hater RedRocket. So, I hope history does repeat itself, just for you and your hating brethren, because his history is winning !! lol
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if 90% of the sprint car world can't stand the guy, there's obviously a reason for that? And it's not because he wins, which you are correct about. Great driver. Brad Sweet wins a lot too and he's not universally disliked
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