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I guess my issue is with  the phrase "let him fail"...as if what we say here has any influence on how well drivers do

But we're quibbling now..... 

The only logical post in here. The rest of you guys are fucking nuts.  

yeah, understand but the cockbag thing.............too funny.  so, i'm going to travel out to possee land forspeedweek with my son from NC.  probably taking in the last four races...lance will do better there i'm sure...race on...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Come from deep? Stahhhp

Please elaborate your issue with Lance Dewease.  Can't wait to hear this. 

I too, would love to hear this.  Someone has had a problem with Lance for 30+ years, yet he's one of the most respected and looked up to drivers in the pit area.  Let's also remind you PA Posse faithful that Lance has chosen to stick around PA during his career instead of leaving for an Outlaw ride or the tour.  He did leave one year in the 30C to run the AllStar Circuit of Champions and I believe he finished 2nd in the points that year, but that's beyond the point.  (That's for those who think he can't go and win at other tracks outside of PA).

I'd be willing to bet you're one of the keyboard racers who boos drivers when they win and cheers when they wreck.. but you'll also be cheering for the 69K and the driver you've had an issue with for 30+ years when/if he beats the Outlaws.

Oh and although I'm a Lance fan and have a bit of a bias, I think it'd be hard to hate or have an issue with a driver who never fails to thank the fans for coming out and makes it a priority to include them, in his victory lane speech. 

Blazer, you sound so jealous. They didn't choose to be called Dream Team, so how exactly does the nick name effect you? Or are u mad your favorite team isn't called the dream team? So silly and petty. Maybe you can email Lance and ask him to tell the fans to stop using "dream" and use "good" when referring to his team, in his next victory lane speech.

Original poster, winged speed, you need a new hobby. Hating a race car driver for 30 years and pouncing on every opportunity to berate them just makes you look like a huge loser. I can not wait to hear why you hate him, but I have a feeling you won't tell us because unless he attacked and hurt one of your family members physically, you are gonna sound like an even bigger loser when you tell us he wrecked your fav driver 30 years ago and u still haven't gotten over it. Please tell us.

If they would have won in Manfield you all would be saying they were lucky or some other BS.  I don't even like this team or root for them, but I can understand the dream team name. As another poster elluded to, that name was given to the team the first year they got together. They only raced at the bigger shows, and won almost every single one. Donnie and Lance had not been setting the world on fire the previous year in separate cars. They joined forces and seemed unbeatable, hence the "Dream Team" hope that helps you haters sleep tonight, they do not consider themselves a dream team, just a team of older guys doing the best they can. If you are lucky enough to meet them or be in the pits near them you will find some of the nicest most friendly and humble guys in the pits anywhere. Or you can be a bunch of jealous haters and put them down anytime they don't win or have a bad night. Have fun at the races kiddies.

This is all great, funny, shit!!!!!

Just imagine if the WoO drivers had been to Mansfield.  I don't think any Posse fans would have even logged onto Hoseheads for the next month!   Their top finisher would have been 10th - 12th.  

It is really tough for Posse fans to accept defeat from the Outlaws when it happens in their territory.  It is really tough for Posse fans to accept defeat anywhere when no Outlaw drivers are present.  Just a lot of back pedaling.  You think they can compete in August in Knoxville?  Just be happy you get to watch an incredible bunch of local 410 racing in the hottest hotbed in America.  Stop comparing them to the top teams in the country.  

This has all been entertaining.  

So how do Knoxville regulars do vs. Outlaws at their home track? They win OCCASIONALLY

Posse holds their own vs WoO....

It's not about Lance......it's about the lame brain fans (a minority) that think because he rules at home that he would rule anywhere. Maybe you fit into the Dreamer category. Lance is very much real in where he fits in the world of sprint car racing. He's sure not the braggart some of his fans are, so maybe it's you that needs to coach him on his victory interviews.  Jealous??? Not a damn bit. Dream Teams only happen once in a great while, but of course you wouldn't understand that. I have not once bashed Lance Dewease's achievements in a sprint car. I'm well aware of his accomplishents. He is interesting to listen to, and has a lot of knowledge about what has taken place during his entire career and before. Have you watched and listened to his interviews/discussions on video from the EMMR?  Some damn good stuff. Maybe you should take a listen.

Explain held their own.  Steve Kinser has 39 wins at the Grove as a part timer, which I think is 10th most wins there overall. I wouldn't be surprised if Kinser lost more races at the Grove to other WoO drivers than he did POSSE drivers during his career.

Absolutely no argument from me on anything you said.  But, home track(s) is the key phrase.  Take either group out of their element, put them up against tougher competition, and they sometimes disappear from the top-5.  

No disputing this.  It appears some were shocked at the Mansfield results.  I was not.  It also would'nt have shocked me if the "dream team" (or any other Posse powerhouse) had challenged for the win or even won.  They are good.  But this idea that the most elite spint car teams in the land reside in Posseland is just silly.  Lots of really, really good teams capable of winning anywhere, anytime.  

Bring Shafer to the Grove and Port Royal all season.  69 beats him almost every time.  Put Shafer and the 69 on the Outlaw circuit and I'd be willing to put money on Shafer winning that battle.  

One bad race does not destroy a season, nor does one good race make a season. 

Everybody is a big underdog to Schatz at Knoxville but I still think Lance would have a chance. He has experience at Knoxville, likes Knoxville, and has run well there more often than not. It would all depend on how well he does on that all important first night. Put it in the show and anything can happen. LD always shines in longer events so 50 laps would be right up his alley, especially if it slicks off. We'll probably never know but I'd love to see them give it a shot. I'm proud of them going out to Mansfield and at least winning something on Saturday night.

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and Possee defeated by a 16 year old kid from N California, Geo Scelzi...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Its too late & I'm too tired now, but when i get a chance I'll look at results from the past few years....

or you could look it up if you really think you can prove me wrong...

What i posted  was based on a fairly quick scan of results

We may be looking at this from different perspectives. No doubt in the last 5-7 years the wins have  been about even. So yes, from that perspective the Posse has held their own regarding Williams Grove. (I didn't look at all the PA tracks) And kudos to the Posse, because we all know that's the only area of the country where the locals do so well. How much of that is due to the configuration of WG is another topic for others. I for one don't buy in to that. The key to dirt track racing is adaptability. Right? Right! The WoO/Posse history at the joint bares that out. I too, don't believe the Posse is that much stronger than the Posse from years past. That Rahmer, Hodnett, Stevie and Dewease, old timers so to speak have had more success in recent years than the rest of the Posse says something.  So I think actually the opposite. I think the WoO are weaker than in years past as a group. A quick look at the numbers and here's what I compiled. Since 2012: Posse 15 / WoO 14. Since 1978 Posse 65 /  WoO 139. In Kinser's era 1978-2014 Posse 56 / WoO 94 (that's minus Kinser's wins). So Kinser did lose more often to Outlaw drivers over the years than Posse drivers. Now don't for a minute think this is a bashing episode on the Posse. NO other group of racers have done so well against the WoO. Do I need to repeat that or does every Posse fan reading this get the message?  Everybody knows that, or at least they should. My point is that try as we might to hang on what our locals do againet the WoO, they are still the dominant force when it comes to sprint car racing. The way things are trending when it comes to car counts around the country I'm afraid their dominace will only get stronger. Also take in to account that I didn't have a computer compile the numbers I'm sharing....I did a quick count off the WG History page on their website.

He was very impressive in the Indy #71. Can't wait to see him race the next 2 nights. Cali. has produced a lot of good drivers in recent years.

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I would like to clarify.......when you say WoO vs. Posse, you are only speaking at Posse tracks, correct?  If I do the quick math in my head, I believe that is what you are saying. 

My main point to add to this would be, what happens if we add all of the races where a strong contingency of Posse cars competed against the Outlaws?  The winning percentage of the Posse would plummet I believe. 

CA drivers fare well against the WoO in Cali.  Posse drivers fare very well against the WoO in PA.  Knoxville drivers sneak a win out here and there against the WoO in Knoxville, Jackson, and formerly Husets.  However, that success against the Outlaws falls off the map when all sides hit unfamiliar territory at the same time.  WoO dominates.  Just the way it is.  The numbers are there to back it up year in and year out.

Congrats to all PA fans for your extremely strong group of 410's.  Most of us are jealous.  Stop pretending the teams out there are more than they really are-----which is simply a group which is really good at defending home turf.