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Posted By: motorhead748 on March 26 2017 at 09:25:57 AM
I'd have to disagree with your claim that only 5 cars out of 40 in Ohio got a shot at the win...it's easily on par with with what you say about the Grove.
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Agreed, I think he's thinking back to a few decades ago. Times have changed and if anything there are way more cars capable of winning at the OH tracks. Hodnett will win 20+ races easily this year in PA. I bet no one does that in OH.
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Posted By: longtimefan on March 26 2017 at 08:35:55 AM
Some of those guys might have been ready a month ago if someone would handed them a big check. You can't complain about guys not spending money to race before they think there is a realistic chance of racing and two weeks ago was a long shot when it announced in January.
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If you look at prior years you can see they will get one maybe two shows in during March. I am not complaining I am being realistic. Most nights at the Port it looks like there will be less than a full field with fewer quality cars. By quality I mean a very good chance of winning each night they race.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
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Posted By: fiXXXer on March 26 2017 at 05:08:26 AM
I can tell you one thing, I could give a shit less about their improvements at this point. The biggest improvement they could make is figuring out a way to reverse the trend of their consistently shrinking sprint car field. The scariest part is, of the 16 cars that were there tonight, how many of those cars will be there every week? Not many. There's still a few guys who will be there most weeks such as Ryan Taylor who weren't there but if you factor those guys into the equation, the field still isn't looking too great. Meanwhile, Lincoln pulled a strong field of 34 cars. Port seems to be all about the late models now. If you spend enough time going to races there, follow them on social media & read their press releases, it's pretty evident that the late models are where they are focusing the majority of their attention. One thing is for sure, they have a serious problem with the sprint field that needs to be addressed if they want to continue their weekly sprint car program.
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One thing they should consider is having less 410 dates instead of adding more. They are running the division into the ground, not just Port but central PA in general. 95% of the teams these days are small family owned teams on a budget. The days of numerous big $$ owners in central PA like Weikert, Hamilton, Stewart, Harz, etc. that can run 100 races a season are gone. On a positive note, Port had a huge crowd last night. Just because Port has added a lot of big LM shows doesn't mean they are neglecting the sprints. They pay nice weekly purse with $3500 to win and have many big paying specials for the sprints also - $50,000 to win the Tuscarora 50 this year. If you were lucky enough to witness last nights LM feature, it's easy to see why they are having more big LM races. They draw great fields and the racing has been fantastic- usually better than the sprints. Port is doing everything right- constant improvements, more seating, immaculate racing surface, well run shows but I think what it comes down to is economics. Big tracks drain the wallet faster than a bullring, especially with the cost of a 410 motor nowadays.
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March 26, 2017 at
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IMO PA needs more bullrings and less half-miles.
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March 26, 2017 at
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I personally don't think the size and the speed is the car count issue, there are lots of big tracks, and not sure what else the speedway can do. For whatever reason, the drivers that run Port on a regular basis do other things or have gotten out of racing. Layton out of racing, will be running 360. Ott runs 360, Buckwalter runs wingless, Erdley no car. 11 of the top 20 in points last season were not there last night. I would imagine the teams will start up as the season goes on.
2016 regulars missing so far.
Lucas probably running Lincoln on a regular Saturday night, but the Zemco car will be at Port so that's a wash.
Stroup and Taylor missing, but should be out. Blane, who knows. Ott 360 last night.
Joey Hershey missing. Marks WoO. Trenton Sheaffer and Mike Wagner II.
Buckwalter broke Friday. Dadetto? Cale Grubb?
Also Dustin Baney and Fiori?
On another note, great to see Rick Lafferty out early in the season and a good run last night.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on March 26 2017 at 05:00:36 AM
Outlaw rulebook (Track record Hoosier tires and 2" wickerbills) have systematically dismantled any chance of 410s thriving on big tracks again. Midwest resurgence (NSL, etc) has fallen apart and the Grove and Port are now ridiculously expensive to campaign a winning race team. 900-950 hp is now a MUST on the big tracks. Engine bills are half as much at ohio tracks. Engine bills were a lot less in Central PA on the brick Goodyear tires we had just a few years ago. People around here went from having to detune their engines to buying every bit of horsepower they can afford.
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FYI, the Goodyear Tires were not "Bricks". I believe they were actually wider and softer than the Hoosier RR that is used today. Goodyear 17" wide vs. Hoosier of today that is 16" wide. The Goodyears came in compounds 100 (roughly a D-12 Hoosier), 200 (Roughly a D-15 Hoosier) & 300 (Roughly a D-25 or Medium Hoosier). WoO & Knoxville allowed the GoodYear 100 that was actually softer than the Hoosier that is ran today.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on March 26 2017 at 09:36:59 AM
Agreed, I think he's thinking back to a few decades ago. Times have changed and if anything there are way more cars capable of winning at the OH tracks. Hodnett will win 20+ races easily this year in PA. I bet no one does that in OH.
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We I've only been alive for 3 decades so.... I just know that the last last couple years it's been kemenah blaney and Sheldon pretty much right? Not trying to talk shit about about Ohio, and maybe there are more than 5 cars that can win. But PA fields are definitely deeper IMO. My main point to the OP is that teams in the pits don't talk bad about Kathy and Justin.
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Carl Bowser will be there on most Saturday nights weather forecast was a little iffy last night so he didn't make the tow. A.J Flick said he will be making the trip on most Saturday nights. Add Daryl Stimeling to the list of regulars that was not there last night. Port won't get thirty plus cars like Lincoln but they don't usually tear up alot of equipment either. I'm hearing Port will be picking up another quality driver for 15 to 20 shows this year.
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Posted By: turn4guy on March 26 2017 at 02:25:09 PM
We I've only been alive for 3 decades so.... I just know that the last last couple years it's been kemenah blaney and Sheldon pretty much right? Not trying to talk shit about about Ohio, and maybe there are more than 5 cars that can win. But PA fields are definitely deeper IMO. My main point to the OP is that teams in the pits don't talk bad about Kathy and Justin.
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Well that does make you a whippersnapper....
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March 26, 2017 at
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Remember when everyone blamed Goodyear as the reason for the crappy car counts? Sure am glad things have gotten better since then...
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March 26, 2017 at
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Posted By: FRC-PR on March 26 2017 at 02:09:25 PM
FYI, the Goodyear Tires were not "Bricks". I believe they were actually wider and softer than the Hoosier RR that is used today. Goodyear 17" wide vs. Hoosier of today that is 16" wide. The Goodyears came in compounds 100 (roughly a D-12 Hoosier), 200 (Roughly a D-15 Hoosier) & 300 (Roughly a D-25 or Medium Hoosier). WoO & Knoxville allowed the GoodYear 100 that was actually softer than the Hoosier that is ran today.
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FYI, they went from detuning their motors with the Goodyears to setting track records again the instant Hoosier took back over. The stop watch doesn't lie.
The Goodyears were specifically constructed to slow them down with super stiff sidewalls and construction. They did make it hard to run anywhere but on the cushion though. That's why guys like Schatz, Rahmer and Kreitz struggled on them for a few years. Motor bills went down and car counts went up though.
Hoosiers have a way floppier sidewall. That is why every one is running their RRs so far out now. More than ever. They are even starting to make axles wider they are stuck so hard. Not to mention 2" wickerbill on top of it. Goodyears had such rock construction they even spun the tires on the straightways.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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The reason everybody blamed Goodyear also had to do with some getting tires that others could not. It wasn't because of a shortage either. Goodyear was taking care of certain teams in the day.
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Just cause you race there 3 or 4 times a year don't mean you know shit. Since Kathy took over everything about the place went down hill. She dont give a shit about the drivers or FANS.....have you tried to talk to her about a problem.....Good luck talking without getting swore at. All they care about is taking your money. She pissed off so many people over the years they got fed up and quit showing up.
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March 26, 2017 at
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Guess you were not there the year it rained the second night of an Outlaw Show where set a rain date for Sunday. When everyone then went and bought tickets for the rain date. 2 hours later came back and said the show was not gonna be made up. After everyone exchanged Sat. ticket for the next day....She had people in her office demanding a refund for the Sunday tickets they just purchaced. She acted like an ass Swore at everyone in her office and siad I dont give a shit about thesre people and locked herself in Her office.
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Posted By: alum.427 on March 26 2017 at 04:19:01 PM
The reason everybody blamed Goodyear also had to do with some getting tires that others could not. It wasn't because of a shortage either. Goodyear was taking care of certain teams in the day.
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Goodyear didn't re-up their contract because there are only a couple of hundred 410 teams left and they couldn't make enough money. It isn't worth the trouble. American Racer would have been the most comparable replacement as far as unhooking them, but they got into bed with the Outlaws right out of the gate and the tracks mutinied. Just the same it is not Hoosier's fault. It is the big money race teams. They like having a horsepower advantage over everyone else. Hoosier builds brick tires for other organizations. They even build the little tires SOD runs with their unlimited rules. The Outlaws just went through a stint where they cared about costs and tried to reign them in by asking Goodyear to specifically design a tire to slow them down. Since then they have moved on to just worrying about their own teams with big budgets. Hence track records have been falling. They tried a r tire so soft it wouldn't even last a feature. They went to big wickerbills. And they went to a qualifying motor format. Rest of the country be damned now. 1000 hp here we come.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: longtimemitchfan on March 25 2017 at 11:42:58 AM
I was hoping for the best on the way to the Grove last night ,but as warmups started i really felt bad for the Grove only 24 sprints and less than 20 late models with less than half full stands . I know its only March and we just had a big snow storm but years ago that would not have stopped anyone.
Saw this morning that Attica had 34 sprints and 20t 305s and by the story a good race won by Helms over Tim Schaffer alot of All Star regulars were there .
Balog,Blaney,Stillwagon and Mark Smith will not be there every week so if you have a 410 car next week is a yellow Breaches race it would be smart to take the 500 to start.
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My buddy, and I drove down to Port Royal, and Williams Grove for the 1981 openers in early March. Port Royal had 9 sprints, and the Grove had a whopping 15 car field. Somethings never change?
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Posted By: BigHalfMile on March 26 2017 at 02:55:40 PM
Carl Bowser will be there on most Saturday nights weather forecast was a little iffy last night so he didn't make the tow. A.J Flick said he will be making the trip on most Saturday nights. Add Daryl Stimeling to the list of regulars that was not there last night. Port won't get thirty plus cars like Lincoln but they don't usually tear up alot of equipment either. I'm hearing Port will be picking up another quality driver for 15 to 20 shows this year.
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Port will be lucky to have a full field most nights. 24 cars will be a rare at the Juniata county oval this year!
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: Centralpa410 on March 26 2017 at 01:38:20 PM
I personally don't think the size and the speed is the car count issue, there are lots of big tracks, and not sure what else the speedway can do. For whatever reason, the drivers that run Port on a regular basis do other things or have gotten out of racing. Layton out of racing, will be running 360. Ott runs 360, Buckwalter runs wingless, Erdley no car. 11 of the top 20 in points last season were not there last night. I would imagine the teams will start up as the season goes on.
2016 regulars missing so far.
Lucas probably running Lincoln on a regular Saturday night, but the Zemco car will be at Port so that's a wash.
Stroup and Taylor missing, but should be out. Blane, who knows. Ott 360 last night.
Joey Hershey missing. Marks WoO. Trenton Sheaffer and Mike Wagner II.
Buckwalter broke Friday. Dadetto? Cale Grubb?
Also Dustin Baney and Fiori?
On another note, great to see Rick Lafferty out early in the season and a good run last night.
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Blaney will not be at Port weekly and looking over that list at least 2 or 3 that were there on Saturday will not be running there after the tracks they race at open up for the year.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: longtimemitchfan on March 25 2017 at 11:42:58 AM
I was hoping for the best on the way to the Grove last night ,but as warmups started i really felt bad for the Grove only 24 sprints and less than 20 late models with less than half full stands . I know its only March and we just had a big snow storm but years ago that would not have stopped anyone.
Saw this morning that Attica had 34 sprints and 20t 305s and by the story a good race won by Helms over Tim Schaffer alot of All Star regulars were there .
Balog,Blaney,Stillwagon and Mark Smith will not be there every week so if you have a 410 car next week is a yellow Breaches race it would be smart to take the 500 to start.
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24 is the norm and Lates never have more than 18.....They had what i expected....
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The 33 car for Stroup was ready, but Curt was not feeling good enough to race. This was the first race they missed in 3 years. Not sure about anyone elses reasons for not being there. My guess is around 20 car average on regular Saturday nights at Port. Which to me is good enough for a regular show.
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