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be a late model fan, but the 305 sprints are just as fast as late models.

My suggestion for those of you who don't think they'll like the Racesaver sprints is to come to Eagle and see them for yourself. Good, close racing throughout the field; great racing period in fact!!

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

have seen 'em... I'll just stick to coming up there when the 360's are there... And a big thanks to tony Bruce for making that happen...

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

Well thats embarrasing for the 305s. they cant be THAT slow!!!

As I've said before, at Eagle Raceway, the IMCA Racesaver sprints are about 1 second a lap slower than the 360's. Racing together they put on a whale of a show!!!

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

I just don't understand the negativity of a few on this subject. Just come to Eagle, Dennison, Des Moines, or any other track running the Racesaver. If you don't like them, don't come back. When you do, come back as often as you can.

If we don't put on a good show for you, it's our bad!

Let's be positive and PROMOTE, not run the class down!

JMO

you are correct as usual...most of the negitive people are guys that have never seen a racesaver race ..or still pissed because a promotor got smart and got rid of them ...and is now leading the way for a new division which is really good to watch and most racers can afford...

I would say most of the negative comes from many who have been around sprint cars for many years, and have so often seen the "new cost savings class" IMCA has had how many different attempts at an affordable sprint class that will be the new best thing and guess what just a few years later it falls apart, when sprint cars first went to the 410 limit it was to make racing cheaper, then the 360 class, and now the 305,

my thoughts, start a class with the standard chasis, wing, and then put a max width of around 10" on the rear with a hard compound, this can be done affordable using I am sure a late model or mod tire, then run whatever engine you want, with the much smaller tire power much over 500HP be a waiste most of the time.

I frequented Midwest Speedway when the 360 class rules came into effect. Odd, but I'm not negative about new classes; but, then again, I love dirt track racing PERIOD!

As for the IMCA's rules, perhaps there is a reason that they've gone to the Racesaver rules. The series has been around for quite a few years now, and is still growing and expanding. That tells me that they are doing something right.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

I should have said the 305 at Knoxville time at the same time s as Lucas Oil WOO Late models.  If the Racesavor 305 ran at the IMCA Boone Nationals the Racesavor 305 would be the fastest cars on the track, bet you a $1.00

I did a little digging and it turns out the dirt late models are actually pretty fast. I never expected that to be the case. 2300 lbs, 900 hp, and a fair amount of downforce, too. At Knoxville, a Late models are a hair quicker than the Knoxville 305's, and a lot faster than non winged sprints. I suspect that the 305s would have the speed advantage on shorter tracks but i havent found the data yet. 

That being said, as a spectator, the speed of the cars doesnt correlate to entertaining racing. Often times the slower cLasses are more fun to watch.

About five years ago at a track in Georgia, before they shortened it to a 3/8 from a 5/8, they put police radar on the late models during time trails and they were hitting speeds of up to 150 mph on the front stretch. Um, that's not slow and I don't think a 305 can do that.

The only true way to cut cost is a rearend gear

rule!  Less rpm, more races between rebuilds, smaller heads, cams and carbs or injectors, tires lasting longer. The same guys that are winning now will still win but cost would go down.

The MSCA (Mid-south Sprint Car Assn) based out of Memphis, TN area (home track is Riverside Speedway in West Memphis, AR) have a gear rule @ Riverside of 6.86. Don't think that's the answer to saving motors though....engines still turn in the 7800 RPM range and we saw over 20 engines blown this year alone. Now...we do incorporate an I beam only 5.7" connecting rod rule. In this particular instance, Riverside being one of the most hooked up tracks in the country, and the gearing may actually be working AGAINST engine longevity as opposed to helping it. Cars lug hard in the rough down here. We're currently looking at reconsidering the emplimentation of the gear rule....

We differ from the RaceSaver / ASCS motors in that we run cast iron heads, but our motors typically make in the 500HP range, and are usually LESS than 1 second off the avg 360 times at RIS. You can build a very competitive 305 to run with our group for less than $10k.