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If Chuck had tried as hard ($'s in the purse and tow money) to make Sunday's work as he tried to take cars away from Knoxville on Saturday night he could have had 30+ 410's on the infield every Sunday night and 10-15 of them would have been high quality always a threat to win type of cars/drivers.    

Racing on Sunday night with never the problem at Huset's.    The biggest problem was that under the previous management the purse hadn't increased in what 10 yrs? 15 yrs? and they had a way of ticking off teams to the point that they wouldn't ever come back.

Everyone always comes up the argument that the Knoxville guys didn't come to Huset's anyway.    Besides not being true at all, (over the years there has been numerous Knoxville regulars race at Huset's on a pretty consistent basis) the reason that more of them hadn't been coming recently was that the purse wasn't worth the travel and effort.

Pay the same weekly purse/season points fund as Knoxville and there is no reason that Huset's can't get 30 cars every Sunday night.     

If a real "promoter" was running that place there would be 25+ quality cars on the infield every Sunday night, start at 7:00 pm, get the show done by 10:00pm and people will fill the stands once again just like they did 15-20 yrs ago.    Heck theres twice as many people living within 30 miles of Huset's as there was 20 yrs ago, there is no good reason that place shouldn't be able to draw a good crowd when the weather is conducive to outdoor activities.

Step one of "real promoter" would be getting the local media (tv and radio) out to the track.    On the 5pm Sunday night news they should always have a reporter out at the track talking to a driver and giving a brief update on that nights races.   Even if the track had to pay for the spot as a commercial.     People have short attention spans, get in front of their face an hour or two before the races start.    Same with the radio, trackside updates should be done every week like they were in the 90's.

Putting video highlights on the web and sending them out via email wouldn't hurt either.   There is ALWAYS enough action at Huset's to make a 5 min long highlight video of every week.

Actually "step one of a real promoter" would be WORK WITH THE OTHER TRACKS so that everyone can grow and prosper together.   That was quite likely Chucks biggest downfall concerning WasteLands.   He went into it with a "I'm rich, screw you" attitude towards the other tracks and racing organizations.

If Chuck had tried as hard ($'s in the purse and tow money) to make Sunday's work as he tried to take cars away from Knoxville on Saturday night he could have had 30+ 410's on the infield every Sunday night and 10-15 of them would have been high quality always a threat to win type of cars/drivers.    

Racing on Sunday night with never the problem at Huset's.    The biggest problem was that under the previous management the purse hadn't increased in what 10 yrs? 15 yrs? and they had a way of ticking off teams to the point that they wouldn't ever come back.

Everyone always comes up the argument that the Knoxville guys didn't come to Huset's anyway.    Besides not being true at all, (over the years there has been numerous Knoxville regulars race at Huset's on a pretty consistent basis) the reason that more of them hadn't been coming recently was that the purse wasn't worth the travel and effort.

Pay the same weekly purse/season points fund as Knoxville and there is no reason that Huset's can't get 30 cars every Sunday night.     

If a real "promoter" was running that place there would be 25+ quality cars on the infield every Sunday night, start at 7:00 pm, get the show done by 10:00pm and people will fill the stands once again just like they did 15-20 yrs ago.    Heck theres twice as many people living within 30 miles of Huset's as there was 20 yrs ago, there is no good reason that place shouldn't be able to draw a good crowd when the weather is conducive to outdoor activities.

Step one of "real promoter" would be getting the local media (tv and radio) out to the track.    On the 5pm Sunday night news they should always have a reporter out at the track talking to a driver and giving a brief update on that nights races.   Even if the track had to pay for the spot as a commercial.     People have short attention spans, get in front of their face an hour or two before the races start.    Same with the radio, trackside updates should be done every week like they were in the 90's.

Putting video highlights on the web and sending them out via email wouldn't hurt either.   There is ALWAYS enough action at Huset's to make a 5 min long highlight video of every week.

Actually "step one of a real promoter" would be WORK WITH THE OTHER TRACKS so that everyone can grow and prosper together.   That was quite likely Chucks biggest downfall concerning WasteLands.   He went into it with a "I'm rich, screw you" attitude towards the other tracks and racing organizations.

Who would the 25 cars be?   Jackson paid dang good last year on a Friday night and usually had 17-22ish Cars.   Blazer obviously took me for serious when I mentioned The weekly schedule.   My point is, and always will be: more cars and more teams will be willing to drive to Jackson on Friday, down to Knoxville on Saturday. But only SOME will make a trip all the way back up to Huset on Sundays.   if memory serves me, the 2-4 years before chuck even took over Husets paid $2500 (Knoxville I believe paid $3000) and Husets hardly had 12-16 cars on a weekly basis.  When they used to do the $10k to win race at the end of the year (sponsored by dollar loan center) I think I remember that attracted 25 cars Once and 17 or 18 the other. 

You are exactly right.  Knoxville doesn't even have 25 cars a night anymore plus they sure are not all quality cars (not even half of the field) and all 22 sure as he!! won't towing all the way to Huset's on a Sunday. The 3 track swing that some want will never work because of the mileage from the criss crossing  back and forth.

No ifs, ands or buts about it. There is still one very strong contingent of race fans, sprint car fans, in the Sioux Falls area. And plenty of fans willing to drive a fair distance to go to races there. There are also a good number of businesses to support it. The key for Husets has always been Sunday night when there is very little entertainment to compete with. The camping people are back home, the fishing people, and there's nothing do. The difficult part wouldn't be getting the fans back once they are convinced that race people had control of the track. The difficult part at first may be getting a strong field of race teams that have comimtments elsewhere. There are drivers around the country that are willing to re locate if there is a racing atmosphere that appeals to them. One look at the All Stars and the WoO proves that. Both are doing well, and probably because in so many areas drivers don't have a real opportunity to race. A "Tri-State " series.....Knoxville-Jackson-Husets (IA-MN-SD) is a can't miss....imo. That potential is unreal. Think about this.....a visit to each track by the All Stars and the WoO, plus the Knoxville Nationals, the Jackson Nationals, and a reborn Husets Gold Cup......right there alone is six huge racing events that could attract race teams to relocate, coupled with three nights of weekly racing for the season. And the distance between the three is perfect for fan support at each track. Makes my mouth water

Well you and Green18 are both wrong. Today with the enviroment in sprint cars as it is, drivers and teams are willing to relocate to areas where there is consistant racing. The era of $2500.00-$3,000.00 to win is gone. Have $4,000.00-$5,000.00 to win and decent start money (or tow money), at three facilities each week, coupled with the special events and there will be cars enough at minimum to fill feature races. Immediately? Maybe so. I would think getting the number to 30 plus wouldn't take long at all. And the fans will come. Look at the drivers the All Stars have attracted to relocate just this year. Drivers that were hitting Jackson-Knoxville weekly shows from time to time previousely the last couple years. Had Husets/Badlands cooperated, I believe those drivers would have stuck to the three tracks like glue. Especially with what Tod Quiring was attempting to do with the NSL. Piss on your ideas that drivers won't run up the mileage. The mileage being discussed to run the three tracks is nothing comapared to what the WoO or All Stars are putting on. You two are so full of envy-hate or whatever that you won't even try to look at anything positive considering Jackson-Knoxville. Always the supposed negatives that you hang your hats on. Get over it! Your guy has ruined your venue, for the time being. You both need a new hero. Now it's time to get somebody in there at Husets that has a passion for sprint car racing and dirt car racing in general. That's what it takes! And that's ALL it takes.

Well you and Green18 are both wrong. Today with the enviroment in sprint cars as it is, drivers and teams are willing to relocate to areas where there is consistant racing. The era of $2500.00-$3,000.00 to win is gone. Have $4,000.00-$5,000.00 to win and decent start money (or tow money), at three facilities each week, coupled with the special events and there will be cars enough at minimum to fill feature races. Immediately? Maybe so. I would think getting the number to 30 plus wouldn't take long at all. And the fans will come. Look at the drivers the All Stars have attracted to relocate just this year. Drivers that were hitting Jackson-Knoxville weekly shows from time to time previousely the last couple years. Had Husets/Badlands cooperated, I believe those drivers would have stuck to the three tracks like glue. Especially with what Tod Quiring was attempting to do with the NSL. Piss on your ideas that drivers won't run up the mileage. The mileage being discussed to run the three tracks is nothing comapared to what the WoO or All Stars are putting on. You two are so full of envy-hate or whatever that you won't even try to look at anything positive considering Jackson-Knoxville. Always the supposed negatives that you hang your hats on. Get over it! Your guy has ruined your venue, for the time being. You both need a new hero. Now it's time to get somebody in there at Husets that has a passion for sprint car racing and dirt car racing in general. That's what it takes! And that's ALL it takes.

The plane the plane, dude your on fantasy island where the he'll are you going to get 30 car's on a Sunday night,  he'll I don't think there is 1 410 team out of Sioux Falls right now,  the closest thing to 30 car's on a weekly show was the last time Badlands was open ( Saturday night)  why  because 90% of the teams racing have jobs they have to be at Monday mourning.  And teams relocating here because they can drive back and forth 250 plus miles to run three nights in a row...really. However teams probably would come up here to run Jackson Friday and Knoxville or Husets  Saturday just would depend on were there from and what kind of track they fill they have a better chance at. Nothing against  Knoxville or Jackson it's just common sense that most racing teams are not full time.

The plane the plane, dude your on fantasy island where the he'll are you going to get 30 car's on a Sunday night,  he'll I don't think there is 1 410 team out of Sioux Falls right now,  the closest thing to 30 car's on a weekly show was the last time Badlands was open ( Saturday night)  why  because 90% of the teams racing have jobs they have to be at Monday mourning.  And teams relocating here because they can drive back and forth 250 plus miles to run three nights in a row...really. However teams probably would come up here to run Jackson Friday and Knoxville or Husets  Saturday just would depend on were there from and what kind of track they fill they have a better chance at. Nothing against  Knoxville or Jackson it's just common sense that most racing teams are not full time.

No fantasy here! The first year of the NSL was 2015 and with the exception of only a few events the NSL had full 24 car Features at most of their events....including the Sunday nights ran at Husets.  Jackson, Knoxville and Husets had some very strong fields of cars numbering from 26 to 35 that first year. One can only suppose of course, that the second year would have brought in additional drivers and teams to run the series, except that the "knothead" that bought Husets declared himself a man with all the answers and moved his program to Saturday nights, which eliminated the NSL from participating at Badlands. Even though he falsely promised three NSL events. That one move, the purchase of Husets took sprint car racing in the three state area backwards almost overnight. That you don't see that states highly of your ignorance as to what happened at Husets almost immediately after the sale. The fact is the "knothead" failed and took a track with over 60 years of tradition down. Who knows if it will ever come back or not. Regardless, Knoxville and Jackson Motorplex will find a way to bulid great programs, because both facilities are operated by people with a passion for the sport.  

The NSL folded because there was not enough people willing to travel. People with full time jobs can't race on sunday 6 hours away from home. Crew guys that don't get paid can't take off of work every Friday and Monday to race. Your living in a dream world.

If Chuck had tried as hard ($'s in the purse and tow money) to make Sunday's work as he tried to take cars away from Knoxville on Saturday night he could have had 30+ 410's on the infield every Sunday night and 10-15 of them would have been high quality always a threat to win type of cars/drivers.    

Racing on Sunday night with never the problem at Huset's.    The biggest problem was that under the previous management the purse hadn't increased in what 10 yrs? 15 yrs? and they had a way of ticking off teams to the point that they wouldn't ever come back.

Everyone always comes up the argument that the Knoxville guys didn't come to Huset's anyway.    Besides not being true at all, (over the years there has been numerous Knoxville regulars race at Huset's on a pretty consistent basis) the reason that more of them hadn't been coming recently was that the purse wasn't worth the travel and effort.

Pay the same weekly purse/season points fund as Knoxville and there is no reason that Huset's can't get 30 cars every Sunday night.     

If a real "promoter" was running that place there would be 25+ quality cars on the infield every Sunday night, start at 7:00 pm, get the show done by 10:00pm and people will fill the stands once again just like they did 15-20 yrs ago.    Heck theres twice as many people living within 30 miles of Huset's as there was 20 yrs ago, there is no good reason that place shouldn't be able to draw a good crowd when the weather is conducive to outdoor activities.

Step one of "real promoter" would be getting the local media (tv and radio) out to the track.    On the 5pm Sunday night news they should always have a reporter out at the track talking to a driver and giving a brief update on that nights races.   Even if the track had to pay for the spot as a commercial.     People have short attention spans, get in front of their face an hour or two before the races start.    Same with the radio, trackside updates should be done every week like they were in the 90's.

Putting video highlights on the web and sending them out via email wouldn't hurt either.   There is ALWAYS enough action at Huset's to make a 5 min long highlight video of every week.

Actually "step one of a real promoter" would be WORK WITH THE OTHER TRACKS so that everyone can grow and prosper together.   That was quite likely Chucks biggest downfall concerning WasteLands.   He went into it with a "I'm rich, screw you" attitude towards the other tracks and racing organizations.

If it it so easy to run a profitable program and get 30 plus cars on a Sunday night why aren't people lining up to buy the place? Nobody in there right mind is going to buy a place and count on people relocating there to make it successful. The truth of the matter is that it is tough to run on a Sunday night. Times have changed and past history only goes so far. Think about the number of local tracks with a long history that have folded. A lot of them raced on Fridays and Saturdays and couldn't make it work. Racing on a Sunday makes it even harder. I can't believe some people don't get that. The same thing happens here in Ohio though. A lot of people think Sunday night racing at millstream could be like it always was. Somebody should just be able to walk in, open, offer a big purse, and be successful. As a fan I wished it worked that way. As a business owner I  know better. 

I can see why a Sunday night in Ohio may be a tough nut to crack. There is already a very healthy racing atmosphere for fans and race teams to enjoy. Not so here in the midwest and in nearly the rest of the entire country. Ohio and PA are the exceptions right now. I have never indicated it to be an easy deal to create or that an easy solutuin existed. AND at $10,000,000.00 NOBODY was going to line up to buy the place. Have you or anybody looked at the All Stars roster and where those drivers come from? Let me help you there.....six are transplants from PA....three from IN, and one each from CA,TN and TX (taken from the AS website). That's twelve drivers that are not from Ohio. There is a pool of drivers in the surounding states of MN, IA, and SD, like in MO, WI, ND, NE, that the right opportunity might just draw from them. Or at least look at as a basis for future drivers to draw in and build on. There is also the 360 and 305 drivers in the Midwest that may at some point join the 410 ranks. Not to mention the five or so drivers that do make appearances at Jackson and Knoxville during the regular weekly shows already and other driver in the SW or Western States that are scrambling to find places to race. Is'nt  it possible those drivers may want to find a place to land? I would think that anybody who is or may get serious about buying Husets would look in to those unknown quantities to determone what might be feasable. But to just say blatantly that it could never work based on why and how Husets had gone down hill in the past and especially in the past couple years is ridiculous. When there was a glutt of drivers and race teams it was a no brainer.....and I believe a lot of tracks became complacent. PA had that for a long time, and several tracks flourished from that. That's not my backyard, but it appears as though there are some things developing out there that are less than positive. In the same breath, there are some awesome racing minds in PA and I have no doubt they will develop solutions to any problem that arises. And too, it may just boil down to survival of the fittest.

The funny thing with all your posts, you keep mentioning the All Stars, they are a travelling circuit, they do not race at one track once a week on a Sunday every week for a full season like you are proposing for Huset's . How many times in a year does the WoO even race on a Sunday?  One other point to consider, when Badlands raced on Saturdays it became a track for drivers from Grand Forks to race at, now that it is closed it also messed things up for them on Saturday nights,  but you don't seem to concerned about that do you. 

The All Stars are a good model to take from, and with the amount of sprint car racing available in Ohio Sundays don't need to be in the equation. You must have missed tha in an earlier post. And no shit......they are a travelling circuit. Duh!  Kind of similar to what Jackson-Knoxville-Husets could be. The ND guys had started to peter out from the trip to Badlands there towards the end for the weekly show, and they weren't all 410's if you recollect. The ND guys were never much for travel in recent years except for Dobmiere and Nygaard.  And even they had backed off. The Mack family drivers used to travel some years back. and of course Schatz did. But he knew where he was going. The better drivers from ND used to travel, yes. Jackson had Saturday nights for many years and a few of the ND guys raced there but more on a hit and miss basis over the years. In real drive time its about 3 1/2 hours Sioux Falls to Fargo, and less than 5 hours Sioux Falls to Knoxville. More drivers from both areas over the years raced Knoxville/Husets than there ever was that raced Husets/Fargo. So no.....I don't put much stock in the Fargo guys making the tow. When a driver or two or whatever from that region really has something to be competitive with the best, they'll travel.......or move on.  But they will be the only ones. If Husets were to join the ranks again and offer up a good weekly purse and a high dollar special or two a year, then mastering the Jackson-Knoxville and Husets tracks opens up the opportunity for some very big paydays. That is what could attract drivers. But.....yep, it's gotta happen first.

The All Stars are a good model to take from, and with the amount of sprint car racing available in Ohio Sundays don't need to be in the equation. You must have missed tha in an earlier post. And no shit......they are a travelling circuit. Duh!  Kind of similar to what Jackson-Knoxville-Husets could be. The ND guys had started to peter out from the trip to Badlands there towards the end for the weekly show, and they weren't all 410's if you recollect. The ND guys were never much for travel in recent years except for Dobmiere and Nygaard.  And even they had backed off. The Mack family drivers used to travel some years back. and of course Schatz did. But he knew where he was going. The better drivers from ND used to travel, yes. Jackson had Saturday nights for many years and a few of the ND guys raced there but more on a hit and miss basis over the years. In real drive time its about 3 1/2 hours Sioux Falls to Fargo, and less than 5 hours Sioux Falls to Knoxville. More drivers from both areas over the years raced Knoxville/Husets than there ever was that raced Husets/Fargo. So no.....I don't put much stock in the Fargo guys making the tow. When a driver or two or whatever from that region really has something to be competitive with the best, they'll travel.......or move on.  But they will be the only ones. If Husets were to join the ranks again and offer up a good weekly purse and a high dollar special or two a year, then mastering the Jackson-Knoxville and Husets tracks opens up the opportunity for some very big paydays. That is what could attract drivers. But.....yep, it's gotta happen first.

I'm not stepping on your toes here, and I'm not stepping in on the travelling debate, but I have to say this about the North Dakota drivers you mentioned above. I kind of took it, maybe wrongly, that you were knocking their quality, with the exception of Dobs and Nygaard. I took in my first NOSA show this weekend at Aberdeen as part of the series Northern tour. In the middle of Wissota Late Model and Mod country there were 20 sprint cars there, of which very few were from South of US Hwy 12 that runs through Aberdeen , meaning the vast majority were NOSA regulars. I'd say 2/3 to 3/4 were quality cars that could be competitive anywhere given the chance. Will they travel, that indent know as I'm guessing the vast majority had to go to work Monday morning after the Watertown show. On a side note, from the Watertown show, a big shout out to Old Chuck McGillvary running from 14th up to 7th with a 360 under the hood! The old man still has the spark!