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January 14, 2013 at
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The rules should not be changed because one 2-car team is dominating. The open rules make the Chili Bowl what it is. Yes, it's a little boring watching the same two standing on the podium every year but that's just how it's going to be until someone builds a superior program. If anyone is going to end Swindell's Chili Bowl reign It will be Kyle Larson once he builds a good enough program.
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: linbob on January 13 2013 at 02:44:20 AM
Remember the word LUCK. Both of Swindells could have collided with lapped cars, both of them could have drawn bad numbers for heat races. Think about it.
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You are completely correct linbob. That is why I pointed out that it does not matter to me what the reason is, I just get bored watching the same guys make the A and run in the front. That is all. I am not on board with the complete conspiracy theory surrounding the Swindell's. You must admit however that they have figured something out that the others have not yet put their finger on. That is all. It kind of reminds me of the old Joliet Stadium days and the Lockard Badger. They can run anywhere with success while others struggle. Simply an observation.
Never hit stationary objects!
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 05:50:13 PM
I am absolutely against innovation when it takes away from competition.
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Maybe you should be watching INDYCAR instead. They seem to be against innovation in that series....
Really what it comes down to is this. Sammy "tweaks" the set-up from year to year and puts the car in the shop after the Chili Bowl until the next year rolls around and they do the Chili Bowl again.
Once you have a set-up (and you're not tearing the car apart to change it to run a 1/2 mile one night, a 3/8 the next and a pavement track a week later) and you just get to tweak it, you're going to be VERY hard to beat until someone else starts doing the same thing or conditions change (they change the size and shape of the track inside the Expo center for example).
Sammy is a GREAT mechanic and engineer, and to top it off he's one of the best ever behind the wheel of a sprint (wing or non-wing) or midget.
If Keith Kunz was putting the midget in the shop that Larson ran this year and not bringing it back out until next January with Larson behind the wheel again, he'd be a threat to win as soon as they roll in the door of the Expo Center. Thing is, they'll probably race that car with USAC once the season get's rolling, so they will make changes to the car and may have a completely different one when they come back in 2014.
The more amazing thing to me about Kevin and Sammy's streak is there amazing LUCK. over 250 cars/competitors yearly for the last 5 years and they haven't gotten crashed, spun out, killed the motor, got caught up in someone else's wreck, had a tire issue, etc., etc., etc.. Sammy was a favorite to win the Knoxville Nationals in 2012 and due to racing luck, he found himself in the B-main and failed to transfer missing the show. The same could happen at the Chili Bowl any given year for EVERY competitor. One of these days both cars will have bad luck and everyone will be talking about the alphabet soup that Kevin and Sammy raced through to make the Chili Bowl feature (just like they talk about Wolfgang @ the Nationals).
Innovation is what is sadly missing in our sport today due to too many rules (without innovation we wouldn't have ported cylinder heads, wide tires, wings, aluminum wheels, the Shaver/Wesmar gear drives, carbon fiber brakes, etc., etc..
Innovation DRIVES racing as a whole, once you take that part away, it becomes a SPEC series that no one wants to watch on TV or attend (see INDYCAR).
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January 14, 2013 at
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My hat's off to godaddyracing and vande...two of the most intelligent posts I have seen on this board lately. I enjoyed reading both. Keep it up guys! 
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 05:50:13 PM
I am absolutely against innovation when it takes away from competition.
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What ?????????? Craziest thing I have ever heard. Guess you could watch Amish Mafia they have some horse and buggy races. Surprise there is inovation going on there too. FYI racing is nothing but inovation, it is the only way to improve in any sport. If every car and driver didnt try to improve it would just be yatzee.
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: Twenty8 on January 13 2013 at 12:27:33 PM
Unless there is some hidden magic on that car why cant others do the same ?
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Come on guys. Like everyone else the Swindell cars set in pits for everyone to see. Nothing was a hidden secret. The car s are probably lighter in weight than most cars. You can take a car clear apart and find things to lighten . Heads and block can have be cnc all un needed weight off. If spark plug wires are to long you can cut 3 inches off. You can put every bolt on car with ti bolts. Every bhaft in rear can be ti.. Carbon fiber body. Bumpers 2 inches longer than need be, cut them off. Tell frame builder that you will just run Chili Bowel and to lighten frame if possible. You can go on part after part. Wheel stands impress the fans, but it is not the fast way around, so set your car up so it will not wheel stand. Any one can buy any shock you want. The Chili bowl is so popular because of no rules. As soon as you put say USAC rules in alot of cars will be not legal. I think the Swindells love this talk because instead of people working on thier car they are worrying about Swindells car. The one thing they could do is not allow in cockpit shock adjusters. This cost no one a penny. To dominate Chili Bowl, have you ever heard of Donny Schautz and Steve Kinser, ASCS Shane Stewart at 360 nationals.
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:11:23 AM
The chili bowl's car counts will slowly dwindle if they don't do something, until it's too late. The Swindell's own Tulsa because the open rules are turning this into a le mans like mechanical race.
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Wake up . The swindells do have it dialed in . But there were twelve drivers that drew for starting positions. They got a great draw. If the the draw would have happened differently I feel the outcome would have been different . The drivers in this feature were the best in the country and not as easy to pass or catch as the qualifying nights for them . I surely hope they never change a thing about the chilibowl . Where else can you get a whole seasons worth of racing in one week . I get 10 home races with an average of 30 cars. I'll take the chilibowl and thank them for putting it on. I had a blast.
We need more sprint car racing at our home track.
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January 14, 2013 at
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Posted By: dirtface on January 14 2013 at 09:42:51 PM
Wake up . The swindells do have it dialed in . But there were twelve drivers that drew for starting positions. They got a great draw. If the the draw would have happened differently I feel the outcome would have been different . The drivers in this feature were the best in the country and not as easy to pass or catch as the qualifying nights for them . I surely hope they never change a thing about the chilibowl . Where else can you get a whole seasons worth of racing in one week . I get 10 home races with an average of 30 cars. I'll take the chilibowl and thank them for putting it on. I had a blast.
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Only the four prelim winners draw for the top 4 spots, the four prelim 2nd places draw for 5-8, and the 4 prelim 3rd place finishers draw for 9-12. They don't draw for 1-12.
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January 16, 2013 at
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Bring out the Munchkin!
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January 16, 2013 at
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unofficial race count 94 races
over 1000 laps green flag laps
275 CARS
in doors in the middle of winter
all in 5 days time
And some think its a JOKE!
JUST DON'T GO THEN
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December 20, 2013 at
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December 20, 2013 at
10:47:52 AM by cubfan07
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:11:23 AM
The chili bowl's car counts will slowly dwindle if they don't do something, until it's too late. The Swindell's own Tulsa because the open rules are turning this into a le mans like mechanical race.
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How slowly do you expect them to dwindle? Already up to 263 as of yesterday! Can't wait for the best race of the year!
-Austin Rankin
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December 20, 2013 at
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The only thing I would change is to ensure that "one off" cars are not allowed. Somehow make it so that cars are not special built for this one race only.
How did they ban the "Munchkin" car from the late 80's?
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December 20, 2013 at
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Welcome to the Swindell Bowl 2014 edition!
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December 20, 2013 at
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Just make the Swindell's start last. The main would be won by Larson. Kevin and Sammy would get back up to the top 5, which would be a better show for everyone.
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December 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 12 2013 at 11:28:53 PM
Chili Bowl needs to get rid of these open rules or they'll end up like Belleville. Funny because Belleville needs to do the exact opposite and open the rules up. I have an idea, Belleville and chili bowl should swap car specification rules.
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why mess with something that has worked well? The size of the track (small) does not allow giant H.P. engines to dominate. I read Sammy engine to be 14 years old and only rebuilt 1 time. Kevin gets a new engine every year and Esslinger sells his used one. A 500 HP engine will not help you on that small of a track, it is on and off the throttle every lap. You have to remember that LUCK plays a part in all of racing. The Swidells have had luck that you can only dream about. You can draw a pole start or a last row start. They have been very lucky in qualification races. This can end at any time. Do you guys think Tony S. or K.K. and others do not have the money to build a special car? Leave the rules(no rules) alone, it works well. Why use USAC rules, they can not get 20 cars to alot of races, they have a seperate rule for every engine made.
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December 20, 2013 at
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I don't care what the outcome is!!...just be happy we stil have it!!....just get there,enjoy it,hope its another good time, great show!!...oh,even tho its indoors, we'd please like good, safe weather also!!.........
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there are quite a few purpose built midgets that just run the chili bowl. andy bondio's cars are WAY more innovative than either of the swindell cars, lasoski, yeley, ect use to bring some pretty wild creations and people use to bitch about bondio's cars when they were dominating....but now its the swindells turn. and sammy has already come from deep in the alphabet, thru the a main field to second and gaining when his u joint exploded....another year he got into it with andy martin and missed the show, slapping marting in the head while he was strapped in his car. no matter what car sammy is driving, sprint or midget, there is no one out there right now that compares to his setup and driving combined abilities...period. i am not a big swindell fan but i do appreciate his abilities and what he has taught kevin. larson showed that he can run with them last year, chris bell has the talent to beat them as well as a good 20 other guys IF they can get their cars as nice for the entire length of the race. but then again, both swindells could get taken out in their qualifying heats and really have to work just to make the show.....luck is such a big part of the chili bowl and their's as been pretty unbelievable.
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Why does everyone continue to refer to Chili Bowl as a no rules race??? That is a completely FALSE statement
Real race cars don't have fenders...
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Brains and talent are free. You can't buy them. Sammy and Kevin have both. Put them in good equipment, and you get what we've witnessed...the perfect combination.
Experience cannot be purchased either. It has to be earned. Sammy has the hard way. He does have an unfair advantage over the competition…he has been working harder than them for way longer than them.
Last I checked, the desire to win cannot be ordered from an online parts supplier. Sammy and Kevin are two of the most intense racers out there. They want to win. That matters far more to them than being politically correct for the sponsors, promoters and fans. That makes them less popular to the casual fan. Their desire to win and accomplishments earn them respect from hardcore fans.
This is dirt track racing. There are many variables that go along with that. The track, although prepared extremely well and as consistent as possible, will never be the same twice. The Swindells know how to adapt, both in driving style and chassis setup. They know that setup is more than just frame and suspension geometry, weight and horsepower. It is more than shock rebound and fuel weight transfer. It is more than tires and air pressure. It is all of the above and how well you make them all work together over the duration of the race.
People that are insecure with their own abilities will always bitch about the guy that did more homework or that has more talent, because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Stop making excuses. It isn't the cars. It is their knowledge, talent, experience and desire that has outclassed the others recently. No amount of money and no set of rules will ever change that. Sammy and Kevin have most of the field beat before they hot lap…both mentally and psychologically.
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December 24, 2013 at
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Sorry, did not have time to read 5 pages of threads.
Is therre a wait rule for chilli bowl? (If there isn't, how much $ is spent to lighten the cars up just for this race?)
At the trophy cup, I was BSing with some of the fans and drivers. They informed me, teams are buying carbon fiber wheels for the chilli bowl?
Granted, no one is better at setting up a car than probably Sammy, but ...... I guess the rules are the same for everyone, but just a few common sense rules might save the car owners alot of money, and Sammy and Kevin would still probably kick their ass.
Would a weight rule and banning of exotic material for suspencion/wheel parts be so bad. How long before someone would try a titanium chassis (back in the 70's, I knew 1/4 midget teams were using titanium roll cages, bumpers along with axles and hubs). We could not afford titantium, so my dad built aluminim bumpers for qualifying.
Just curious, how much $ is spent on carbon fiber and titanium (& other exotic metals) to run the chilli bowl?
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