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The folks that actually believe that 305's are the end all be all of sprint car racing are most likely the same folks that have been saying the outlaws are going away..... For the last 15 years....

in the unlikely event that these imitation sprints actually do take over, well I do enjoy a good late model race and I will officially be a late model fan 

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

I think you are misinformed as to what dry and wet sump is,wet sump is carrying all your oil in the pan,dry sump is an external tank-I thought you knew everything?

Do you use oil restrictors tapped into the block and an oil accumalator to give you a shot of oil when your pressure gets low?-If not I would sure give it a try.

I woudn't use a hi-volume oil pump either.

You have passed the point where my knowledge of a motor gets limited.  I don't think there are restrictors, but I honestly don't know.  My uncle builds my engines, I just change the oil and run the valves!!  We talked about an accumulator, but just went to dry sump and that fixed all of it.  I know there are a lot of people against drysumps on 305's, but a used drysump setup from Ebay is a lot cheaper than burning a motor down halfway down the backstretch at Knoxville!! 

Hawker, we haven't had a dry sump motor die from oiling problems, had some part failures, but all of our engines that burnt up due to oiling problems were wet sumps.

Wasn't this post about Racesaver?  How did I get roped into this???

The only thing that needs to be adjusted in the racesaver 305 class is the right rear tire rule. The DT3 right rear will last twice as long as the ascs medium right rear and its cheaper. I personally don't car about the left rear tire rule, I think it sould stay open, but here in Texas in the summer, if it goes slick early in the right, it takes rubber everytime. Now before the right rear rule was changed, tracks only took rubber on a three day shows, now it seems it takes rubber everynight is the summer. Some of the Texas cars do not have access to the used right rear tires because there are more 305 racing weekly than 360's, no 410's. I think the harder DT3 will make better racing all around. I have raced both tires, and if you race a DT3 on the right rear vs the ASCS right rear, you might as well go home, you will go backwards everynight. I do like that the DT3 you can flip the tire and get more nights out of it, the ASCS tire has different tread blocks on the inside and outside tread blocks. 

Don't know how you got roped into this but I will say this (as a fan in the stands).

Once hotlaps and Time trails are over, NO ONE (and i mean nobody) can notice the difference with the naked eye when it comes to speeds between the 305's, 360's and 410's @ Knoxville, only way they know is via the APP or the scoreboard (and even then, the 305's are generally within 1.5 seconds of quicktime for teh 410's and sometimes the 360's OUTQUALIFY the 410 class too.

The ONLY difference I really see is the quality of equipment (the 305's seem to run more used equipment purchased from other teams instead of new equipment) and smoothness in the driver's seat (and to me that's more experience than anything) when you compare the 305's to the 360's or the 410's.

Te drivers that consistently run up front in the 305's (Ball, Breazeale, Walraven, Kinder, Stelzer) have the MOST experience and are smoother than everyone else (tehy don't scrub off speed in the corners as much as those with less experience).  Same goes for 360's and 410's.  You can put McCarl, Garner, Lasoski, Maeschen, Zomer, etc. in equipment that is tired and not up to snuff and they'll still outrun half the field (their experience will overcome the lack of HP or set-up).

Sprint Car Racing is excitable period.  I hope that those that "think they know" actually talk to those that "DO KNOW" before they complain about rules and say how they know how to slow the cars down.  I'll take your word over that of someone that's never been behind the wheel or owned one.

Hope to see you in the 305 Class (or whatever class you choose to race) @ Knoxville again in 2014.  You (and everyone else in all the classes) are fun to watch and even on bad nights treat the fans Great (hopefully we do the same to all the drivers and teams).

What I was trying to say was ALL of the 305 Groups and Tracks needed to sit down and throw their egos out the window and work for the betterment of the 305 Class. But it appears that there are people that think the racesaver is the ONLY way and it has to be the imca racesaver way or no way.  There just might need to be some flexability embedded in the rules also for the different types of tracks - it's been noted that the racesaver doesn't hold up at someplace like Knoxville, so maybe the racesaver people need to listen to a few other people that just might know a thing or too also. Tires and wing sizes might make a difference - I don't know, I'd defer that to more knowledgable people. I don't care what kind of rules you put in about tech inspections and rules if a track inspector(s) doesn't want to take the time and effort to do it proper its not going to happen. BUT I STILL MAINTAIN IF YOU WANT THIS GROUP TO GROW AND BECOME SOMETHING GREAT FOR ALL SPRINT CAR RACING EVERYONE NEEDS TO SIT DOWN AND TALK AND CHECK YOUR DAMN EGOS.

The problem is that people are talking, no one LISTENS....

LoL,your an honest guy! Didn't know you could use dry sump setup now,sounds like your good to go. Oil restrictors are just inserts that are tapped and screwed into oil passages going to the top of the engine.The inserts have a smaller hole for the oil to go thru to reduce the amount of oil going to the top of the engine and keep more oil down low where you need it more.-Good luck in "14". 

You have to have uniform rules so that you can race at any track and get good car counts at tracks.  Knoxville 305 and Burlington 305 have same rules but Burlington does not allow dry sumps, so you have a problem.  It is almost impossible for different groups in get together on everything.  I do not have a Racesaver, but I hope they do very very well and the uniform rules will help.

I know the difference there bozo, I've worked on both. How about a simple typo? My post was SUPPOSED to refer to  WET SUMP morot issues that J had on their early trips to Knoxville. 

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See my above post......Also, as far as accumulators go, we ran one on Schrock's old steel head wet sump motor and it seemed to help, but we never ran a 1/2 mile with it.

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You DO understand what an accumulator does, don't you "dirtybeer"? If not, let me know and I will explain it to you.... :/

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Yeah,I think I have it figured out.Your so called "typo" shows your brilliance,I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if hadn't come from such a well known know it all.

And don't you forget it!

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Vande77 / linbob - exactly what i'm trying to say - everyone needs to sit down listen to each other and talk it out. Perfect example being a dry sump. I have no idea what a dry sump costs, I guess I don't know how big of an advantage it is to have one or not. I just think everyone needs to talk the rules out and not have one perticular group say these are the rules and everyone has to run them. I just think a group of people working for the cause would be better then one or two who think they know what is best for everyone.

Will this ever happen - I'm betting on a BIG NO - to bad for the 305's

The good thing about the RaceSaver engine package is the sustainability of the engine when following the rulebook.  The challenging part is getting a group of people together to make sure that the rules that are in place are followed and that every motor is teched the same.  The basic rule book has barely been modified since French Grimes started the division 15 years ago.   I don't think the same can be said for the 360's or the 410's

As the level of competition goes up, the cost will always follow suit, no matter if it is a spec class or an open class.  Here in PA, there are people that have gone 30-40 races without replacing valve springs,  and even longer without an engine rebuild.  In regards to the size of the tracks, we race Port Royal, Williams Grove, and Selinsgrove a combined 15 times per year, with no engine issues. 

I think the purse has been the main lure of this division.  Not so much the low purse, but at least on our end, the consistency of the payback. The PASS division in PA only races for $265 to win, but it is $130 to take the green and $60 for tow money.  The 358's in PA are racing for the same amount to take the green and are spending almost twice as much on a competitve engine and are on the H spec tire from Hoosier, which you might tear off 2 at the end of the night, plus your going to spend alot more on fuel.  If you break down purse in a 410 show, start money is usually less than 10% of the winners share.  Susquehanna paid $10,000 to the winner of their race the other weekend, but I think 2nd place was $2,000. 

The idea of the low purse to win is to deter people from spending their life savings, but breaking the purse down evenly throughout the rest of the field with no major drop offs in pay helps keep people interested alot longer. 

You dont have to yell !

Sorry didn't mean to look like I was yelling - I was just trying to make the point that there are a few people on here that think the imca racesarver rules are the only set of rules that will work. I'm just try to say those rules may not be the best for everyone and that everyone needs to sit down and honestly talk and try to figure out a set of rules that would work for everyone that wants to run the 305's. Not have everyone sit down and have imca say these are the rules and we're not changing.

That was all I was trying to say - sit down like a group of grownups, check their egos and work for the betterment of the class.