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November 17, 2023 at
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Posted By: UTRockets on November 16 2023 at 12:04:59 PM
Reading through all this is making my head spin. Basic good economics doesn't equal socialism.
If a national touring series really wanted to improve the state of sprint car racing their races would pay less to win and then spread the money through the purse to help the little guys and the locals out BUT then have put up a very large point fund to reward the guys who run good throughout the year. That's how you do it. Nothing socialist about it.
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November 17, 2023 at
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Posted By: Centralpa410 on November 16 2023 at 09:41:32 AM
I've been thinking this and saying this forever. This is without a doubt the way to go. IMO the huge first place purse will keep 'regular' drivers away. They know they have no shot at winning and they also know it may draw in other drivers like Kyle Larson who do have a chance at winning, therefore, limiting their chance to even qualify.
For example, imo, the Tuscarora 50 does not need to by 51, 52, 53....60 to win. It can be $40k or $50k and spread the rest out over the field. I can't think of anyone that would say "no, I'm not going because it's only 40 to win instead of 50"
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The Tuscarora 50 does pay good throughout the field though. It's $2000 to start the A main and a full payout for the B main. There's even a non-qualifiers race which pays 2G to win plus a guaranteed spot in next years 50.
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November 18, 2023 at
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on November 17 2023 at 07:36:20 PM
The Tuscarora 50 does pay good throughout the field though. It's $2000 to start the A main and a full payout for the B main. There's even a non-qualifiers race which pays 2G to win plus a guaranteed spot in next years 50.
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Good point. I do agree with that.
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November 18, 2023 at
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Posted By: Centralpa410 on November 18 2023 at 06:59:54 PM
Good point. I do agree with that.
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To me it is still too top heavy. It will be even worse this year.
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November 19, 2023 at
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Dumb question here but do you guys think the purses really affect who's going to come to what show? There's interesting thoughts on both sides but I think everyone would agree that nobody can fund a sprint car team on purse money alone. So would a guy like Lance Dewease tow from PA to CA because he would get an extra $2,000 in purse money guaranteed? I don't have the answer but I have a hard time believing an extra $2,000-$3,000 is going to make much of a difference when these guys are racing cars that cost nearly $100,000. To tow to a race 800 miles away with a hauler getting 6-8 MPG and then put everyone up in hotels for a race that you know you're probably going to run in the back, which gives you a better chance of a wreck. Does making $1,000 guaranteed vs $4,000 guaranteed make much difference when there is a chance you could have $50,000- $100,000 worth of destroyed equipment? I remember Knoxville years ago and Dobmeirer crashed on the first lap in turn one of the A-main. I said to the guy next to me "I'll bet he's pissed". He said "Fuck no, he just made $7,000 for 10 seconds of racing, he's the smartest guy out here". And I thought but didn' say "Yeah but he just destroyed a $75,000 race car." Also if it's $1,000,000 to win vs $40,000 does that affect which of the top dogs show up? $40,000 is still more than you're going to make at most races throughout the US in a year if you win.
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November 19, 2023 at
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Several things to consider as I understand it:
Unless they blow an engine or wreck the frame badly most Sprint Cars can be fixed. Which is why few teams travel a backup car anymore.
A lot of them travel using toters so a few people (3) can stay in the tow vehicle and/or a motorhome.
They wreck the cars in the front, middle and back of the pack in heats, C's, B's and Mains as well as in qualifying. That's racing.
Most these teams do the math.
Hopefully the Sweet/Larson racing series are going to look at travel/race schedule and start to make it easier on the teams. Time will tell and it will take a couple years even if the tracks get on board to make it better.
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November 20, 2023 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 18 2023 at 11:17:29 PM
To me it is still too top heavy. It will be even worse this year.
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The two biggest races in central PA have the right payouts.
The biggest race pays 75 grand to win and a good payout throughout the field.
The 50 pays 60 grand to win with a good payout throughout the field.
Don't change a thing with the payouts for these races...they are fine the way they are!
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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November 21, 2023 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 16 2023 at 03:19:43 PM
I agree. This would also work with local tracks, without dropping the purses for regular shows, if they paid enough to make it worthwhile to run for a championship.
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If you take from the guys who run good and give it to someone who doesn't.....it is called redistribution of money or wealth. You can call it anything you want to even though it is the socialist way....let's make it all equal no matter where the finish and give everyone a trophy.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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