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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: tenter on November 22 2022 at 01:25:49 AM
I know a couple local small companies that got over a $1,000,000. I don't see a difference between a racing based company , or a small manufacturing company. They all had to keep employees working.
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: kvaughn48 on November 22 2022 at 09:03:29 AM
leave it to this forum to turn a thread about the 23 WoO slate to a thread about PPP loans. Next its gonne be about Port Royals track prep
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I plead guilty... But Strawser made me do it! 
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November 22, 2022 at
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on November 22 2022 at 06:26:51 AM
They are NOT a business. They have employees that should be paid through there sponsors NOT taxpayer money. No way no how should that EVER - EVER - EVER happen! Over 30 trillion in dept and we the people are sponsoring race cars. I DON'T think so. Our country is SO screwed up! Our leadership can't even figure out what is needs and what is wants. I want to go to the races and enjoy them - Entertainment. I need a house to live in and food to eat. One we can do without....the other we can't.
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Your employer shouldn't have to be forced to pay your wages. Your pay should come out of a tip jar on the counter.
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November 22, 2022 at
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November 22, 2022 at
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A couple points of clarification...
PPP "loans" ended up being grants, as the loans were forgiven and didn't have to be paid back. Yes, professional race teams indeed are a business. That said, I'd love to know what sprint car team needs nearly $70k in "loans" to cover two months of "payroll". because I'm sure most people would be beating feet to work on that crew. And I don't even have that much of a problem with that...go get your free government cheese if it's available.
But don't be taking my tax dollars as a charity contribution to your race team with one hand while constantly peeing and moaning all over social media about how taxes are too high with the other hand. I'm not much on hypocrites.
Go ahead and search "racing" on the PPP tracking site. It was quite a welfare program for our sport for sure.
Examples:
Kasey Kahne Racing; $112,224
Tony Stewart Racing: $109,800
Mark Richards Racing (Rocket Chassis Late Models): $232,149
WIlliams Grove, Inc: $63,213
Sel-Wil (Lincoln PA Speedway): $80,478
And of course everyone's favorite punching bag World Racing Group: $1,712,000
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November 23, 2022 at
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Joe V, excellent job. See what a little research can do for you if you really want to know. Be amazed people, the government puts it out there for anyone to take advantage of it. You just have to know how to do it. Do I agree with it, NO, as most of you do not. But it's available.
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: alum.427 on November 23 2022 at 04:42:08 AM
Joe V, excellent job. See what a little research can do for you if you really want to know. Be amazed people, the government puts it out there for anyone to take advantage of it. You just have to know how to do it. Do I agree with it, NO, as most of you do not. But it's available.
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True dat. When you look also the major majority of the money went to salaries for those Racing Businesses (yes, businesses) that were shut down due to the COVID (should have/shouldn't have entire different arguement, but the FACT is they were). Those folks are not your weekend warrior race teams where they have 1 crew guy who checks the air in the tires and wipes mud off for pit pass money, they have many employees and employees to keep in paychecks.
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: Murphy on November 22 2022 at 12:37:00 PM
Your employer shouldn't have to be forced to pay your wages. Your pay should come out of a tip jar on the counter.
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My employer and I have a great relationship. They respect me and I respect them. However, NO WAY - NO HOW should race teams get the ppp loan. Sorry, I love racing but they should not be subsidezed with taxpayer money. NEVER should this happen. I don't care how many people work for that race team....get the MONEY from the SPONSORS....if they say no then do without.......
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: revjimk on November 21 2022 at 10:08:33 PM
I was gonna disagree with Strawser as usual, cause this money is a loan, gets paid back, not "ripping off taxpayers" at all....
Until I saw this: "If companies follow spending guidelines such as salaries, benefits mortage interest, rent and utilities then the loan is mostly forgivable."
So now I kind of agree with him but for a different reason. Of course race teams are a business, & its good to keep people employed. But $17 million to Childress, Ganassi & Roush??? Just think of how many lives would be bettered if they used this $$$ to pay rent for homeless people this winter....
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No, a lot of these loans will not be paid back. As long as you fall into the the guidelines the federal government has set.
A lot of actual businesses actually will NEVER have to pay back these loans.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on November 23 2022 at 09:33:40 AM
My employer and I have a great relationship. They respect me and I respect them. However, NO WAY - NO HOW should race teams get the ppp loan. Sorry, I love racing but they should not be subsidezed with taxpayer money. NEVER should this happen. I don't care how many people work for that race team....get the MONEY from the SPONSORS....if they say no then do without.......
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Race teams employ people. who have mortgages etc. they were entitled to ppp loans as much as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Paul Pelosi and Tom Brady were. you're entitled to an opinion but not a dumb one
Respectfully
Sam
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November 23, 2022 at
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Posted By: Joe V on November 22 2022 at 01:27:51 PM
A couple points of clarification...
PPP "loans" ended up being grants, as the loans were forgiven and didn't have to be paid back. Yes, professional race teams indeed are a business. That said, I'd love to know what sprint car team needs nearly $70k in "loans" to cover two months of "payroll". because I'm sure most people would be beating feet to work on that crew. And I don't even have that much of a problem with that...go get your free government cheese if it's available.
But don't be taking my tax dollars as a charity contribution to your race team with one hand while constantly peeing and moaning all over social media about how taxes are too high with the other hand. I'm not much on hypocrites.
Go ahead and search "racing" on the PPP tracking site. It was quite a welfare program for our sport for sure.
Examples:
Kasey Kahne Racing; $112,224
Tony Stewart Racing: $109,800
Mark Richards Racing (Rocket Chassis Late Models): $232,149
WIlliams Grove, Inc: $63,213
Sel-Wil (Lincoln PA Speedway): $80,478
And of course everyone's favorite punching bag World Racing Group: $1,712,000
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They aren't a business that is a need. Business and racing shouldn't even be in the same sentence. They are a want. So they should get 0 that is 0 dollars of taxpayer money.
This is why I can't stand all the liars in Washington!
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: SamHerring14 on November 23 2022 at 09:40:22 AM
Race teams employ people. who have mortgages etc. they were entitled to ppp loans as much as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Paul Pelosi and Tom Brady were. you're entitled to an opinion but not a dumb one
Respectfully
Sam
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Not dumb....just common sense. That is also what is missing in the USA. No one has any common sense anymore.
The Feds really screwed this up. They didn't vet the companies that applied for the PPP loans. The taxpayers get screwed again. What else is new. That always happens!
No one is entitled. That is another problem we have the entilted generation.
Get it the old fashion way - EARN IT!
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Anyone know who's running with the WOO and who's not next year? Anyone anyone?
Keep It Real
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on November 23 2022 at 09:43:06 AM
Not dumb....just common sense. That is also what is missing in the USA. No one has any common sense anymore.
The Feds really screwed this up. They didn't vet the companies that applied for the PPP loans. The taxpayers get screwed again. What else is new. That always happens!
No one is entitled. That is another problem we have the entilted generation.
Get it the old fashion way - EARN IT!
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You never cease to amaze me with your lack of intelligence. I don't care what a business does, whether it's entertainment or whatever, THEY ARE A BUSINESS. The government basically shut the race teams down for a year by saying no large gathering events at the very least they cost them the chance at big money races. I have no doubt there was PPP loan fraud. However race teams getting the money vs businesses who didn't have a need for the money, and you're upset about race teams? If you feel they're not a business then how do you feel about them paying taxes? If it's not a business why should they pay taxes?
Out of curiosity, by your definition are bar/restaurants or any other non-essential businesses not businesses either?
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on November 23 2022 at 09:43:06 AM
Not dumb....just common sense. That is also what is missing in the USA. No one has any common sense anymore.
The Feds really screwed this up. They didn't vet the companies that applied for the PPP loans. The taxpayers get screwed again. What else is new. That always happens!
No one is entitled. That is another problem we have the entilted generation.
Get it the old fashion way - EARN IT!
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Youre lacking common sense. and you don't get to define what essential is. I love a beer as much as the next guy, but are bars essential? the list could go on. race teams have employees that needed their jobs as much as your next door neighhor. corporations and banks get bailed each time. where's your gripe with that. tax payers didn't get screwed. you literally had to pay tax to receive a PPP. im not sure this generation are anymore entitled than baby boomers who benefited from every social program They could
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November 24, 2022 at
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Strawser returned his stimmies too I bet. I know he wouldn't have used a cent of that money for non essential race streaming.
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Posted By: SamHerring14 on November 23 2022 at 10:45:53 PM
Youre lacking common sense. and you don't get to define what essential is. I love a beer as much as the next guy, but are bars essential? the list could go on. race teams have employees that needed their jobs as much as your next door neighhor. corporations and banks get bailed each time. where's your gripe with that. tax payers didn't get screwed. you literally had to pay tax to receive a PPP. im not sure this generation are anymore entitled than baby boomers who benefited from every social program They could
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No, I am using common sense. The world is turned upside down. You are the one not using it.
The government told us what was an essential business. Remember that .....I didn't think so!
Sometimes businesses have to fail and that is ok. We shouldn't have to bail any business out EVER!
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on November 24 2022 at 09:51:49 AM
No, I am using common sense. The world is turned upside down. You are the one not using it.
The government told us what was an essential business. Remember that .....I didn't think so!
Sometimes businesses have to fail and that is ok. We shouldn't have to bail any business out EVER!
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Why don't you leave the political and economic talk to the grown ups. you can talk about favorite driver or something
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Posted By: SamHerring14 on November 24 2022 at 07:42:04 PM
Why don't you leave the political and economic talk to the grown ups. you can talk about favorite driver or something
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teehee....
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Anyone know who Sides is going to put in the car next year?
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Posted By: EasyE on November 25 2022 at 06:51:23 AM
Anyone know who Sides is going to put in the car next year?
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I know my Canadian brother didnt do real well in the car but Jason had 1 more fan, although it helped him zero at the bank.
Thanks for trying to get the thread back on track. Good luck with that!!!
Even though I may not know you, I
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