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Some of you could use a lesson in humility. Sheesh, like a bunch of 12 year olds. Some of the posts are insightfull and make sense, other well - hot trash.

I don't care how Brennen made is money. Payday loans serve a certain segment of society that people put themselves in. They have credit so bad that lightning would strike them before they could get in the door of a traditional bank. Payday loans are the ONLY option. Personal financial responsibility has gone out the window these days, and remember, nobody sticks a gun to thier heads and forces them through DLC doors. Most times, it was thier own horrible decision making that got them to that point. The interest is high, yep. But the risk of giving people like that money must be enormous. It's a business afterall, not a charity. You have to make enough off the people that actually follow through and pay to offset the ones who default.

Knoxville is a magical place, one that cannot simply be produced anywhere else. Myself, I'm looking forward to another great week in August of fans, good racing, and an atmosphere that only the Nationals can make. it can't come soon enough.

The one thing that Huset's/Badlands has that Knoxville never will, is the quality of racing on that tight bullring and it's daunting concrete wall. I frequent both tracks regularly and I've seen twice as many close exciting finshes at Huset's than I ever have at Knoxville. I love them both.

If you take a good, close look at other parts of the country where 410's and barely 360's exist, you'll realize that we're arguing over a proverbial gold mine here in the upper midwest. Knoxville or Badlands, it dosent matter. We get to see great shows each and every week.

LOL.   I don't work for any department at badlands.  I am a sprint car guy who works part time on the Hoseheads FACT department.  If you'd like to ever contribute, let us know.  

Fact 1.  Knoxville/NSL 18 cars. Badlands 37 cars.  

Fact 2. I never said there weren't ANY 360's.  I'm not stupid, I know of 3 possibly 4 The other night.  

Fact 3. You said "if you take out the 360 field fillers, the actual 410 counts 'aren't that far off'"

Fact 4. Myself, and someone else asked you to please list all of these 360's that you speak of. 

Fact 5. Instead of answering the question, you instead just call me names, and never answer the question. 

Fact 6. I had an old username, didn't post for over a year, struggled with password and old email address, saw your idiotic posts, and started a new one. Is this illegal?  

Fact 7.  Just because someone asks you to support your claim, doesn't make them a "Chuck sucker"  as you so easily call people  that disagree with you.    

If you rode on top of the wall, the distance would be about 1666 feet- roughly 3/10 mile

If you drove at the very bottom, straddling the inside berm, the distance would be about 1280 feet- roughly 1/4 mile

If you drove in the typical, hiher groove, the distance would be about 1480 feet- roughly 9/32 mile.


Husets doesn't take as much motor as a big track-if it's dry.  It's the wall that gets you.

Blah blah blah, but anyway....


     I know it's a cherished myth that somehow in the good old days, the 360's used to whomp on the 410's on a regualr basis at Husets, but I think that's not really the case.  Since I started goin to Husets in 1984, I can only think of perhaps 3 times that a 360 won the 410 feature. I want to say it was Jake Peters, Greg Bakker, and one other(?)  To be sure, when a 360 won, it was probably on a dryslick track and the 360 happened to start up front.

Your #teambadlands looks like it mostly consists of Knoxville raised talent.... ha. Half of which is paid to run your track.

If you want to root for the downfall of Knxoville be my guest. Chuck has the money to put Knoxville under. Great. You win. We lose. A true sprint fan realizes that hurting other tracks to the point of shut down will hurt car and fan counts in the midwest overall. If a track falls off fans and drivers will find something else to do. This in turn will end up hurting you as well.

Knoxville is far from shutting its doors but Chuck probably has the power to continue to hurt Knoxville greatly. We know it is his plan as he pretty much said it. He is so great for the sport. I am sure the Gold Cup will surpass the Nationals purse too. It just his style. You act like other tracks need to be doing the same thing. How can an established track have 10 grand to win each week that is completely free to get in? Its impossible. This is a business that has to at min break even. What Badlands is doing is impressive but it is also wreckless so be careful what you wish for.

In the mean time I am going to continue to go to Knoxville and enjoy some races. I suggest you do that same for Badlands.

So what's the huge news?

I'd like to know this as well.

Other than car counts (which is something Knoxville has to address), how does operating a business 300 miles away from you going to put Knoxville "under"? 

The only way they can do that kind of damage is to compete w/ the Nationals, which admittedly would be reckless. But until that happens, I don't see how a little competition hurts. 

A little competition yes which has already resulted in higher purses which is good but not buying drivers from a track 300 miles away. Not having 10 grand to win shows that are completely free. You always act like the midwest is just like Pennsylvania... Its not. We dont have half of the weekly sprint tracks, half of the population, or half of the money to support cars. No track in Pennsylvania could complete with this either even if it was 300 miles away. The biggest deal is that he is purposely and successfully pulling high dollar teams away from Knoxville. These are the only teams willing to run on the big half because it takes money to be competitive. Do you not see the issue yet?

Who gets paid? McCarls nice house with his huge boat and 18 person hot tub up in South Dakota? I think I saw him leave on a helicopter Sunday night I dont know where he was going tho.

Not Rooting for anything, you guys have your #teamknoxville and we have our #teambadlands. The best Sprint Car Driver in the World right cut his teeth racing Husets/Knoxville at a young age every weekend for quite sometime. If knoxville didnt have NSL shows 

Chuck isnt hurting anything the tracks at 350 miles apart. Do you think the Twins are worried about crowds at Chicago or Milwaukee? Hell No but they are the same distance apart. If your track cant survive becuase another track is racing 5 hours away the problem isnt a facitly 5 hours away. Tod and Chuck are not hurting any fans or cars or tracks in the Midwest overall, they are having teams and drivers racing at their tracks that never would think of racing here in the past! 

You have two guys doing HUGE things in the midwest paying high purses, making huge improvements to tracks. Nobody else wants to step up to the plate. Knoxville has always been the top dog in the fight for years now you have two guys coming in and now its everyone else fault? Why did Russ Hall race else where, or Austin Johnson, or Ryan Bunton? You have to treat everyone the same and equal. Whens the last time John McCoy walked in the pits and told each one thanks for coming, or hey its 100 degree out here is some water and ice for you and your team? 

Badlands has a $50,000 purse each week, 50,000 / 2750 (Fans/Drivers/Crew) = $18.18 per person. He let EVERYONE free in this weekend, and it would of been safe to say there was at least for the whole weekend 6000 fans. and I will bet they all spent more then $8.33 the whole weekend at the track. 

Would Knoxville or anytrack for that matter make more money if they let in 10,000 fans for free or had 3000 fans that paid $15 dollars to get in? Do tracks make money on Dollar Beer Night when a normally beer is $4 a can? Its impossible!! 

As the old saying in the PS2 game goes. "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself" 

     Todd Wessels?  I think he retired 20 years ago.  I'll have to do some checking on that.  Chad Radel is the name that popped into my head- maybe at a Cheater's Day race at Husets in the hot sun?

      It might be a while before you see Dave Ekern out again. He crashed hard Saturday night.

Love your sarcasm. Some will believe it too. I saw Terry and his wife sitting in the shade on the back of their souvenir trailer Sunday afternoon in a Brandon parking lot. Reading a magazine and minding their own business. If they had a nice house with a huge boat in South Dakota they would've been their instead of sweating all afternoon.

Des Moines Metro has around 650,000 people, Then a SHORT 175 miles Knoxville has a Metro of around 3.1 million people. 

Also your telling me for YEARS when Knoxville offered $3000 to win 410s and $1250 to win 360s that wasnt buying drivers? Or this HUGE Point Fund with all these Prizes?

Also has Knoxville since raised their purse? 

What teams are he buying? Do you know how much he is giving them? 

I woud love to make a bet that on a nice night in August that Justin Henderson, Dusty Zomer, Terry McCarl, Tim Keading and others will be at the 360 Nationals rather then racing their 410s at Badlands? 

Why wont you attend with Chuck Brennen running it?

Total Number of 360s that where at Badlands were 4 cars had 360 motors in one that made the A feature. 

And knoxville had about 10 real 410s with the rest being fillers and indeterminate 410s 

I do not, at least not yet. As long as he doesn't mess with the Nationals, I think he's been good for Dakota sprint car racing at the very least. 

Are the crowds down at Knoxville? Other than 2 off nights car count wise, do we really need to ring the alarm bells already?

WHAT KIND OF DOPE ARE YOU TAKING. I WOULD LIKE SOME OF THAT SHIT.

You know that's dude's a bit right?

That's all true but a lot of drivers still love to wind them out on the big tracks and a lot of fans like the speed as well. Economically speaking you are correct and I think the racing is usually better on the smaller tracks, though not always. To me a perfect sprint car track would be 3/8 - 4/10 in size, preferably wide and high banked with a cushion.

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