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Posted By: Rubbermade on October 13 2015 at 03:36:21 PM
Essentially the "locals" ran for less money this year then as well if we use your thinking. Spread out the point fund over each race for the NSL guys, and include the tow money and they were running for more money. Right?
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Again, this year teams deserved tow money as they actually were a touring series. When nsl came to knoxville the purse got bumped up a bit for every car in attendance, not just nsl members. Now we have a 2 track majority "national" series who is racing at almost 75% of the weekly kville shows for more money than the locals. Can you list off a few series for me that have 2 seperate purses for every race that's on that series schedule? I would love to hear about it.
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When all said and done it comes down to this! As a driver show up at the race and race or don't And join the rest of us on the stands. As a fan show up to the race and enjoy a show that someone is willing to use his money to bring us quality races, Or stay home and watch re-runs on tv land. It's really that simple at the end of the day! As a fan you will see me in the stands enjoying some Americana!
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Sounds like the 2 tracks series are crappin on the other tracks that ran a race last year
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I have to admit I can't understand the opinion of some on here who think this is unfair for those who choose not to run 100% of NSL races. This is not a penalty to anyone, no deduction of purse money...it's an incentive only, additional money for those who do. Everyone else is still being paid the same as usual for racing the same races they usually race. How is that unfair to them?
As a former car owner with the IRA who hit probably 90% of races over the years... had Sinclair done this as an incentive to get more cars to 100% of the races, I would not look at is as a penalty if I still chose to race only 90% of the races. Since I would still be racing for the same purse I otherwise would have. It would be my decision to race for the same money or more money. I would be greatful for Sinclair paying out more money to those of us who did and be happy for them. AND it would definately provide extra incentive to make the 2 or 3 really long tows we typically missed.
The people saying it would be like locals running for less when WoO come to town are backwards. This is like locals still running for THE SAME AMOUNT THEY ALWAYS DID...just WoO paying MORE for teams who race 100% with the series. Would be an incentive for teams to stay on the road all year. My favorite locals would still be racing for the same money they always did when WoO came to town. I don't see how that would be unfair to them.
Kudos to NSL, Knoxville, and Jackson for delivering an incentive for more drivers to make 100% of the shows by taking money out of their own pockets and giving it to those teams.
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Posted By: Jamie Klootwyk on October 13 2015 at 09:23:30 PM
I have to admit I can't understand the opinion of some on here who think this is unfair for those who choose not to run 100% of NSL races. This is not a penalty to anyone, no deduction of purse money...it's an incentive only, additional money for those who do. Everyone else is still being paid the same as usual for racing the same races they usually race. How is that unfair to them?
As a former car owner with the IRA who hit probably 90% of races over the years... had Sinclair done this as an incentive to get more cars to 100% of the races, I would not look at is as a penalty if I still chose to race only 90% of the races. Since I would still be racing for the same purse I otherwise would have. It would be my decision to race for the same money or more money. I would be greatful for Sinclair paying out more money to those of us who did and be happy for them. AND it would definately provide extra incentive to make the 2 or 3 really long tows we typically missed.
The people saying it would be like locals running for less when WoO come to town are backwards. This is like locals still running for THE SAME AMOUNT THEY ALWAYS DID...just WoO paying MORE for teams who race 100% with the series. Would be an incentive for teams to stay on the road all year. My favorite locals would still be racing for the same money they always did when WoO came to town. I don't see how that would be unfair to them.
Kudos to NSL, Knoxville, and Jackson for delivering an incentive for more drivers to make 100% of the shows by taking money out of their own pockets and giving it to those teams.
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You are 100% accurate that it's not a penalty, however it is insulting. You being a car owner knows how hard it is to pay for these race cars and know that it's not all that easy to put together a team that can financially run a "series." They aren't taking their show to tracks that just have a few sprint specials a year, they are taking it to tracks that have primarily weekend racers that cannot afford to travel. The incentive should be to pay everyone the same to put more money in lower budget teams pockets to be able to travel more in the future, but whay they are saying, is that if you dont follow my series, you don't get paid as much. If this is such a brilliant mind blowing idea, why haven't more series already done something like this to encourage car counts? I can tell you, it's moronic
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The naysayers and second guessers regarding the NSL announcement have lost sight of several things, and made some remarks that just don't make sense. It was suggested that Knoxville should now become NSL raceway or some such nonsense. When Tod Quiring first came up with the idea of the NSL he made it clear that his intention was to work with and not compete with the weekly 410 shows in the area....Knoxville and Huset's. He would not step on any toes. He was true to his word and that hasn't changed regarding Knoxville. Then along comes "bend over and let me introduce myself, I'm Chuck!" Chuck made it clear he didn't give a damn whose toes he stepped on! Knoxville history be damned he thinks he's more important was his attitude. So now, Knoxville and the NSL have come up with a plan that allows for the NSL drivers to have bigger paydays, and two tracks within 5 hrs of each other to take advantage of. That the 100% rule comes in to play makes sense. Is it unfair for a non NSL driver to make less than a full time NSL driver? NO it's not unfair! Why should he get paid the same? He's not committing to anything yet he feels entitled to the rewards? Besides, he'd make just what he would have before. This is an incentive to build a series plain and simple. Help build it and be rewarded. Ticket prices have been mentioned. At the onset of the NSL Tod said he would not dictate ticket prices, that he would leave that decision to the promoters and track owners, but that he would like to see them in the $18.00 range for adults. The only tracks that adhered to that were Knoxville and Jackson regarding regular NSL shows. I believe Knoxville charged $15.00. The NSL Nationals at Jackson of course were higher. A good many of the tracks that held regular NSL events charged from $25.00 to $35.00. That some of those tracks might not get a NSL show doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I personally think they took advantage of a great opportunity. I do believe we have additional scheduling to be announced by the NSL, and a season points fund. It's been suggested that NSL drivers for the season will make less money next year. I don't believe that to be the case. I truly believe Tod has every intention of making more money available for winnings in 2016. A lot has been stated regarding this announcement, and I'm sure there will be much more. I for one am still hopeful that the NSL flourishes next year and in the years to come. As for Huset's....I used to drive the 2 hrs every week. The car counts were good and the Sunday night crowd was great. Things went to hell with the previous greedy owners and car counts fell to at times only enough to run two heat races. Some nights three. Fan attendance fell off because of that, and I quit making the drive. Huset's could still, especially now, make Sunday nights what they used to be, if only Chuck had decided to join in rather than go his own way.
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Posted By: Jamie Klootwyk on October 13 2015 at 09:23:30 PM
I have to admit I can't understand the opinion of some on here who think this is unfair for those who choose not to run 100% of NSL races. This is not a penalty to anyone, no deduction of purse money...it's an incentive only, additional money for those who do. Everyone else is still being paid the same as usual for racing the same races they usually race. How is that unfair to them?
As a former car owner with the IRA who hit probably 90% of races over the years... had Sinclair done this as an incentive to get more cars to 100% of the races, I would not look at is as a penalty if I still chose to race only 90% of the races. Since I would still be racing for the same purse I otherwise would have. It would be my decision to race for the same money or more money. I would be greatful for Sinclair paying out more money to those of us who did and be happy for them. AND it would definately provide extra incentive to make the 2 or 3 really long tows we typically missed.
The people saying it would be like locals running for less when WoO come to town are backwards. This is like locals still running for THE SAME AMOUNT THEY ALWAYS DID...just WoO paying MORE for teams who race 100% with the series. Would be an incentive for teams to stay on the road all year. My favorite locals would still be racing for the same money they always did when WoO came to town. I don't see how that would be unfair to them.
Kudos to NSL, Knoxville, and Jackson for delivering an incentive for more drivers to make 100% of the shows by taking money out of their own pockets and giving it to those teams.
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+1 Tired of hearing all the whiners saying it isn't fair. LIFE ISN'T FAIR! Get over it folks.
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Reading the drivers, crew chiefs, etc., Twitter feeds the last few days will give you all you need to know.
But like many others in the sport my opinion is always for sale to the highest bidder.
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Posted By: gohotfoot on October 13 2015 at 08:12:38 PM
When all said and done it comes down to this! As a driver show up at the race and race or don't And join the rest of us on the stands. As a fan show up to the race and enjoy a show that someone is willing to use his money to bring us quality races, Or stay home and watch re-runs on tv land. It's really that simple at the end of the day! As a fan you will see me in the stands enjoying some Americana!
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Amen !!!!
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Posted By: Jamie Klootwyk on October 13 2015 at 09:23:30 PM
I have to admit I can't understand the opinion of some on here who think this is unfair for those who choose not to run 100% of NSL races. This is not a penalty to anyone, no deduction of purse money...it's an incentive only, additional money for those who do. Everyone else is still being paid the same as usual for racing the same races they usually race. How is that unfair to them?
As a former car owner with the IRA who hit probably 90% of races over the years... had Sinclair done this as an incentive to get more cars to 100% of the races, I would not look at is as a penalty if I still chose to race only 90% of the races. Since I would still be racing for the same purse I otherwise would have. It would be my decision to race for the same money or more money. I would be greatful for Sinclair paying out more money to those of us who did and be happy for them. AND it would definately provide extra incentive to make the 2 or 3 really long tows we typically missed.
The people saying it would be like locals running for less when WoO come to town are backwards. This is like locals still running for THE SAME AMOUNT THEY ALWAYS DID...just WoO paying MORE for teams who race 100% with the series. Would be an incentive for teams to stay on the road all year. My favorite locals would still be racing for the same money they always did when WoO came to town. I don't see how that would be unfair to them.
Kudos to NSL, Knoxville, and Jackson for delivering an incentive for more drivers to make 100% of the shows by taking money out of their own pockets and giving it to those teams.
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Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. I agree.
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Posted By: blazer00 on October 13 2015 at 09:52:12 PM
The naysayers and second guessers regarding the NSL announcement have lost sight of several things, and made some remarks that just don't make sense. It was suggested that Knoxville should now become NSL raceway or some such nonsense. When Tod Quiring first came up with the idea of the NSL he made it clear that his intention was to work with and not compete with the weekly 410 shows in the area....Knoxville and Huset's. He would not step on any toes. He was true to his word and that hasn't changed regarding Knoxville. Then along comes "bend over and let me introduce myself, I'm Chuck!" Chuck made it clear he didn't give a damn whose toes he stepped on! Knoxville history be damned he thinks he's more important was his attitude. So now, Knoxville and the NSL have come up with a plan that allows for the NSL drivers to have bigger paydays, and two tracks within 5 hrs of each other to take advantage of. That the 100% rule comes in to play makes sense. Is it unfair for a non NSL driver to make less than a full time NSL driver? NO it's not unfair! Why should he get paid the same? He's not committing to anything yet he feels entitled to the rewards? Besides, he'd make just what he would have before. This is an incentive to build a series plain and simple. Help build it and be rewarded. Ticket prices have been mentioned. At the onset of the NSL Tod said he would not dictate ticket prices, that he would leave that decision to the promoters and track owners, but that he would like to see them in the $18.00 range for adults. The only tracks that adhered to that were Knoxville and Jackson regarding regular NSL shows. I believe Knoxville charged $15.00. The NSL Nationals at Jackson of course were higher. A good many of the tracks that held regular NSL events charged from $25.00 to $35.00. That some of those tracks might not get a NSL show doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I personally think they took advantage of a great opportunity. I do believe we have additional scheduling to be announced by the NSL, and a season points fund. It's been suggested that NSL drivers for the season will make less money next year. I don't believe that to be the case. I truly believe Tod has every intention of making more money available for winnings in 2016. A lot has been stated regarding this announcement, and I'm sure there will be much more. I for one am still hopeful that the NSL flourishes next year and in the years to come. As for Huset's....I used to drive the 2 hrs every week. The car counts were good and the Sunday night crowd was great. Things went to hell with the previous greedy owners and car counts fell to at times only enough to run two heat races. Some nights three. Fan attendance fell off because of that, and I quit making the drive. Huset's could still, especially now, make Sunday nights what they used to be, if only Chuck had decided to join in rather than go his own way.
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Excellent analysis of the situation.
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Oh my gosh people. For some of you where is your logic, reasoning, and critical thinking skills? Teams that choose not to follow the series are not being paid less. This is simply an incentive program for teams to, and that do, follow the series.
It's not a foreign concept. Anyone fly on airlines? I can sit right next to a passenger who got preferred boarding, a seat upgrade, and access to the sky lounge ahead of the flight...because they flew a million miles, spent a small fortune flying, and have platinum status with the airline. Should I be upset to not receive the same perks as them for the one or two flights I take a year? Heck no. Why would I be? Rediculous.
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It's a great purse for the regulars. But I have to wonder how many teams will be able to race on back-to-back nights at tracks that are more than 4 hours apart for most of the summer. Seems like a tall order...
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The team for sure that is really going to get hosed is the BDS/Henderson team.
They are a legitimate winning team that can't afford to race their 410 more than 1 night and now they are racing for less than the other NSL teams.
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Posted By: donimus on October 14 2015 at 07:45:03 AM
The team for sure that is really going to get hosed is the BDS/Henderson team.
They are a legitimate winning team that can't afford to race their 410 more than 1 night and now they are racing for less than the other NSL teams.
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...they're getting hosed b/c they're running for less money than last year?
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Posted By: sprntcar7 on October 13 2015 at 09:50:41 PM
You are 100% accurate that it's not a penalty, however it is insulting. You being a car owner knows how hard it is to pay for these race cars and know that it's not all that easy to put together a team that can financially run a "series." They aren't taking their show to tracks that just have a few sprint specials a year, they are taking it to tracks that have primarily weekend racers that cannot afford to travel. The incentive should be to pay everyone the same to put more money in lower budget teams pockets to be able to travel more in the future, but whay they are saying, is that if you dont follow my series, you don't get paid as much. If this is such a brilliant mind blowing idea, why haven't more series already done something like this to encourage car counts? I can tell you, it's moronic
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I don't think it's insulting one bit. Guys racing locally are typically doing it as a hobby, for fun, and losing money every night. They already know that. We knew that. NSL or Knoxville adding purse money for teams running a whole series in an effort to strengthen the series, in an effort to strengthen 410 racing, doesn't insult me one bit. But then again I don't play the victim card every time I don't get something I want or don't get a handout. They can try to earn it (by racing) or not earn it (by not racing). Either way they are not a victim, not insulted, and not discriminated against. They simply chose to make a financial, business, personal, or family decision for themselves to not race more for more money.
When we missed races it was usually because it just didn't make sense from a time or money standpoint to tow 15 hours round trip for one or two night show in Superior or Brainard. Instead we took the weekend off. Now had we been offered an incentive of more purse money night in and night out for 30 nights if we raced 100%, would we have made the tow to those 2 or 3 tracks?... I would say almost certainly we would have. Would have probably put about $8000 more in our pockets over the course of the year for spending another $500 on diesel. Would have been a no brainer. But in no way would I have been insulted if we chose not to do it.
Let's role play out this arguement some of you are making...
Tod Quiring to NSL Drivers - "Ok guys, I'm happy to annouce that anyone who decides to race 100% with us will be paid a higher purse as a reward for supporting the series full time. But we will still continue to pay everyone the original purse regardless so that no one feels they have to commit to 100% of the races. How does that sound?"
Driver A - "Sounds Great Tod. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to make more money if we choose to."
Driver B - "That's BS and unfair Tod. I'm insulted. I think you should also pay me more just for racing the same races I otherwise would have already raced with you. It's not fair that if I choose not to race with you I won't be rewarded with more money also."
Tod Quiring - "So you think I should pay you more to keep your car in the trailer some nights, or race elsewhere some nights...OR you would rather I just keep paying everyone the original purse and reward noone for racing more for the fans and supporting the series 100%...?"
Driver B - "Yeah, that's what I'm saying."
Tod Quiring - "Ok. Then I guess we'll just keep it the same as before."
Driver A to Driver B - "Thanks alot for limiting my ability to make more money if I choose to race for it. Dumba$$!"
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Posted By: YungWun24 on October 14 2015 at 07:57:08 AM
...they're getting hosed b/c they're running for less money than last year?
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They might just pull good teams from far away places to run this series. 410's are just so expensive and hopefully down the road this will finally get addressed. Tod knows what he's doing theres no doubt in my mind about that.
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Posted By: blazer00 on October 13 2015 at 09:52:12 PM
The naysayers and second guessers regarding the NSL announcement have lost sight of several things, and made some remarks that just don't make sense. It was suggested that Knoxville should now become NSL raceway or some such nonsense. When Tod Quiring first came up with the idea of the NSL he made it clear that his intention was to work with and not compete with the weekly 410 shows in the area....Knoxville and Huset's. He would not step on any toes. He was true to his word and that hasn't changed regarding Knoxville. Then along comes "bend over and let me introduce myself, I'm Chuck!" Chuck made it clear he didn't give a damn whose toes he stepped on! Knoxville history be damned he thinks he's more important was his attitude. So now, Knoxville and the NSL have come up with a plan that allows for the NSL drivers to have bigger paydays, and two tracks within 5 hrs of each other to take advantage of. That the 100% rule comes in to play makes sense. Is it unfair for a non NSL driver to make less than a full time NSL driver? NO it's not unfair! Why should he get paid the same? He's not committing to anything yet he feels entitled to the rewards? Besides, he'd make just what he would have before. This is an incentive to build a series plain and simple. Help build it and be rewarded. Ticket prices have been mentioned. At the onset of the NSL Tod said he would not dictate ticket prices, that he would leave that decision to the promoters and track owners, but that he would like to see them in the $18.00 range for adults. The only tracks that adhered to that were Knoxville and Jackson regarding regular NSL shows. I believe Knoxville charged $15.00. The NSL Nationals at Jackson of course were higher. A good many of the tracks that held regular NSL events charged from $25.00 to $35.00. That some of those tracks might not get a NSL show doesn't hurt my feelings at all. I personally think they took advantage of a great opportunity. I do believe we have additional scheduling to be announced by the NSL, and a season points fund. It's been suggested that NSL drivers for the season will make less money next year. I don't believe that to be the case. I truly believe Tod has every intention of making more money available for winnings in 2016. A lot has been stated regarding this announcement, and I'm sure there will be much more. I for one am still hopeful that the NSL flourishes next year and in the years to come. As for Huset's....I used to drive the 2 hrs every week. The car counts were good and the Sunday night crowd was great. Things went to hell with the previous greedy owners and car counts fell to at times only enough to run two heat races. Some nights three. Fan attendance fell off because of that, and I quit making the drive. Huset's could still, especially now, make Sunday nights what they used to be, if only Chuck had decided to join in rather than go his own way.
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$18 at Eagle for 15 cars. Hope this means we get a full field next year if they come back.
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Posted By: Rubbermade on October 13 2015 at 01:22:28 PM
Here, let me dumb it down for you guys that don't understand it.
In 2016 the NSL teams that show up to 100% of the shows will be payed out a bonus each night depending on where you finish at the scheduled Jackson and Knoxville races, unless it is a special better paying show.
Here are the bonuses:
1st - $2,000
2nd - $1,600
3rd - $1,200
4th - $1,000
5th - $1,000..............ect.
Even if they go half the season before they miss a race the bonuses they receive until that point will more than likely be better than most end of the year point funds they have received before.
So please explain, how this is bullshit?
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To me it is just a pissing match between Husets and Todd Q.
There are barely enough 410's to compete within the area to begin with & then this guy from Badlands/Husets thinks he can outdraw Knoxville because of the purse is just not good business sense.
The people who are going to loose in the end are the fans paying an increase in admission prices to see the same racing that they see night in and night out, week in and week out with or with the NSL in town. Instead of trying to bring the 410 competitors together you are now creating a bigger divide.
Stupid is as stupid does when they feel $$$ can buy everything in the end. Trouble is though is when the fans feel they are being out monied for a promotion that has not injected anymore bang for the buck who pays out the difference??
Interesting to say the least, but far more egotistical thoughts between 2 people who must figure they need to control what is already a product than is rather difficult to remain the biggest game in town as it stands now!!!
Good Luck
PS Glad I live in Central Pa where the promotors understand u cannot cut each others throat to survive!!
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As my previous posts stated, I didn't get it. After reading thru this post and the thoughts of Mr. Klootwyk (a car owner), I am starting to see the light.
At the end of the day I am a huge fan and even if the NSL has some flaws, it is better than no NSL at all. See ya at the track in 2016.
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