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So in a nutshell, if a driver or team comes to PA to run with the locals he is considered posse? The rest of the country calls it cherry pickin.

Not entering the whole "posse is the best" debate. If you're a sprint car fan you can't help but enjoy the racing at an event like the Nationals, no matter who won or didn't win. Props to Jeff on his win.

However, for those gushing and gloating about another posse win at Knoxville, keep in mind it is a premiliminary night win. A win is a win and certainly to be congratulated when it's against the top competitors in the world. But, you know the goal for each those drivers is to win on Saturday night.

Ask Paul McMahon if he would trade his first place position in the points for the win last night and 8th place in the points. Not likely. Or, conversely, ask Jeff if he would trade his win for being first in the points. I'll guess he would.

Again, this is not to take away from his accomplishment at all. Just a reminder that these guys are all after the prize that's bigger than a preliminary night win.

john, if you are having trouble dealing with some valid reasons why someone claimed as posse had a good night how are you going to deal with all the BS reasons when those claimed as posse don't. both jeff and the 1z car have always been good runners. i did not see much of the main as i was getting something to eat and being bummed cause we did not have a very good night. but i heard jeff was fast and from what i saw he was right with tats. i think that last yellow changed the race, but like i said jeff was fast. so congrats to the posse fans. i would much rather deal with you celebrating a win than trying to BS your way out of a loss.

John, I have noticed from your posts on here that you take every opportunity you can to discredit the teams and racers that run PA weekly. But for pretty much forever, Posse has been a term representing teams or drivers that raced the PA tracks weekly. Seems like most your posts are designed just to cause an argument. Hosehead himself made a rare post that Shepard considers himself Posse and you are still looking argue about it.

The Zemco team is based in Tower City, Pa., and runs Pennsylvania tracks weekly The team is even leading the points at Williams Grove. Can't get much more Posse than that. Zemco has ALWAYS been Williams Grove regulars ever since the team switched from dirt Modifieds to Sprint Cars in 1987 -- with Tom Mayberry, then Bobby Weaver, Billy Pauch, Kevin Gobrecht, Sean Michael and Mark Smith.

It actually wouldn't kill people who rip the drivers and teams that race PA weekly to admit that some of those guys are pretty good.

Aw gee folks - why not let the Keystone Corps(e) relish in their qualifying race win last night - they need it to nurse their bruised egos from back when the WoO WoOped 'em back on their home turf.

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team wright one, hope your weekend turns around! jac has been a favorite of mine since the 80s when he tried to eat a brake caliper at the grove ,the showed up at port and wanted to race! man was he a bad lookin dude that night. dont get sucked into this pissin match with mspn and some cooler toting fans, your above that. i cant help myself sometimes and chime in, which i shouldnt. good luck .

TWO - Just going back to our last discussion with the Posse members over what constitutes a driver being from that state be it PA, CA or IA. In the previous post the driver had to be from there, not the car. In this post to claim someone it is the other way around.

If you don't have to be from there to be from there. Then I am from Indiana and an Indiana fan. We have more national event wins in 410s with and without wings than anyone else anywhere any time. Indiana drivers have won nearly half of all WOO races run. And a ton more non woo races.

Of course I am sure the rules will change tonight and I will have to move back to CA.

Not BS'n my way out of a loss. Cali guys run tonight. Oh wait, new rules, Jac is Cali. Okay, he didn't really lose because the others cheated. I am pretty sure Shep had some MoJo potion or hex/vex going his way. Hey Tatnell is in a Cali car so he counts too. Damn last night sucked for CA!

Yes we are proud of any of our WEEKLY local drivers winning a race outside of the state lines.  Especially in Knoxville.  A certain northerner comes onto all the message boards and spouts off about how they need to learn to get off the porch.  Although he claims to like Jeff, I think MSPN is PMS 'N.  Just imagine if the G-Man were still alive and in the second Zemco car.  Would the rest of you say he's Posse and Shep isn't?  Hmmmm......

I totally missed that TK scored a top 10. Way to go TK.

john, my post was not meant to be offencive towards you. mearly to prepare you for the enevitible run of BS that will accompany a night of lesser results from the posse. let them claim whoever they want within reason. better yet let them list now the drivers that are here that they claim so there are no surprises. it can be a double edged sword. the more they claim the better their chance at victory or the more of their guys get beat. i have no problem accepting a posse victory with grace. it is up to them how they might accept a posse defeat. and john, ask them how many posse cars were in the top 10 in the main or in points or might have done well if for not "favoitism" because that will be their fallback if needed. rest assured that god forbid the posse has a bad night here cause there will be a heck of a run on backup light bulbs in pa.lol.

You crack me up buddy. I know you were not pointed at me. Merely using an assist.

So how bought it Cubic. List em now!

Sorry Clay, but Shep Dog and Hodnett along with Stevie Smith are Outlaws in my books and always will be. They learned their trade on the road for the most part and had virtually all of their success out there as well, 'cept for maybe Greg. We all know he went to PA and started to win on a much greater basis than the road but I think most know why.

As for Drank, not sure where I said you were anti-Jeff (don't reread my posts though, soooo) but I know I said that BRR and Cubic pounded on him because I KNOW I remember that happening. I haven't been on the Grove board since May when they got tired of the truth and the morons followed every post with the usual vulgarities, kinda ruiined things and apparently I had to go, lol. I miss the fifteen guaranteed laugh minutes every day though but life is still good.

Looks like an interesting night with qualifying kinda spaced out, things will probably be back to normal come Saturday night though, they usually are. Take It Easy....

PS Cubic, a truckload of kleenex is headed your way, State troopers have been posted near most of the bridges you live near also, hang in there.....

I think you have that backwards. Shepard and Smith learned how to drive and honed their skills against tough weekly competition in PA. They then took what they learned on the road. I'm not sure that it matters whether you consider them outlaws or PA guys.

No Broom, glad I was there for night one. Back in NJ now (I have a video gig at Wall Township Speedway on Saturday Nights). Hoped for 3 nights of Iowa racing, got one. Due to weather took 11 hours to get home. Most expensive one night of racing ever, yet totally worth it.

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team wright-one.....you are a black-eye to Jac & the #35 team, please change your name!

MSPN...the truth??? After all of your years on the road, you've definately developed tunnel vision & obviously you only tend to spout your version of the truth. You probably got a "N" for "Needs Improvement" back in school, when it came to getting along well with others. I sit with those fine folks in the stands on a weekly basis & we all get along. We all like different drivers & we all have different opinions......but we have fun & get along just fine at the end of every night. Truth is that you like to preach & you expect everyone to just agree with you............sorry, life doesn't work that way. Truth is that you can't just come to Pa & enjoy a great night of racing with a lot of great people, you have to get argumentative & ruin it. Truth is that you took your crystal "ball" full of BS & went home. Truth is now you've brought out more of your child-like ways resorting to calling these fine folks a bunch of "morons". I truly can't understand why any "moron" would want to put someone like you on the air during a sprint car broadcast? The only thing more disgusting are the people who believe all of your banter.

So how does it feel to have a whole sprint car community hating your guts? Life is too short to be out here making enemies...

Hope you're enjoying life on the porch! And I still can't believe you weren't allowed to go to the Kings Royal.......dude, you're whipped!! lol

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smitty - consider the source and his bull shit sermon routine...look at how he took off running at Eldora when he saw us.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Well......not every time......I drug him to the bar so he could buy me a shot!

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full heat inversions are great for fans. talk about promoting passing...........it does it. heavy race track tend to have a say in that. Guess you don't follow to much outside your little shell............otherwise you would know that Natalie Sather - although freakin gorgeous - should never be in a Knoxville Nationals 410 feature ---I dont care what night it is. Track must have been heavier than when we were up there for the 360's. Speaking of which - yes we attend the 360 nationals over the 410's. Why? Because whereas you're so worried about big names, 410's, or PA Posse.........we just go for the good racing. We find it a plus to avoid the large crowds as well. Pleanty of room........kick back and relax for 4 days. We started that tradition with the 360 Nationals back in 2000 when it was till being held on Fathers Day Weekend in June..........so for my and father it was a perfect fit to what we were wanting to do. Now it's in August and hell yeah we'd love to se all 10 nights......but due to a lack of money and vacation time thats a bit difficult. And out of tradition the 360 race will always come first for us - if you get the drift.

No I don't care where Shepard is from........was just happy to see an "underdog" win it. next time cut and paste the sentence before as well..........then you'll see you shouldn;t have quoted it at all.

and if you have the time - go through all the posts for about the last year - I don't have enough time to post on every PA racing thread. Some of em I do because they're interesting.......some are funny.......and then some are just loaded with ethnocentrical bullshit. It's usually the latter........You people still don't understand the concept that the extremely high quality of racing in central PA in no way puts any of you fans on some pedestal. But yet ya'll still act like it. For the longest time I didn;t even post to ANY of the PA threads........but now I see something idiotic.......I'll replace with something just a tad bit less idiotic on my part. thats me being honest. But don't talk about never seeing races wherever. Ya'll are stuck in your little shell of high and mighty up there and could care less what goes on outside of it unless there are some Posse drivers there. I'm STILL trying to learn as much as I can about ALL forms of Dirt track racing (not just sprints) and all the tracks that run them. It's a bit of a hobby of mine because between vacations, family reunions, or whatever the reasons are for trips away from home (oklahoma)..........you never know when there might be a good race nearby. I even like tuning into the 305 series in Kansas and Texas. 305's down here will probably be the next coming thing. I like lookin at points, results, pics, and videos, or racing in the northwest......Ohio, Indiana (really like tri-state stuff), Iowa, the Dakotas, Rocky Mountain racing intrigues me as well. I love it all man. and would like to experience as much of it as I possibly can in my life.

The great racing up there allows you to be narrow-minded..........we don't have it that good in Oklahoma. So I literally study as much as I can about races EVERYWHERE. But if thats what all that good racing in PA does to ya'lls brains............I think I'll pass. I'm a fan of NATIONWIDE sprint car racing.

AND BTW Wright-One...........you don't make that team look bad dude. You crack some funny jokes at those blokes and they can't take em and come back with somethin equally as funny. Not your fault man. Keep crackin at em and good luck to to the Wright One team when you race.........ummmm well of course tonight but also............O think it's the Dakotas. If so........then good luck to ya'll there.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I should personally make a trip up to the Grove a couple times a month to piss on the track..........then maybe I could be Posse as well............

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I think that proves a point there slinky.

When drivers that race up in that area don't do very well ya'll act like they are outsiders. Then a couple of years later they get a big win and they're "promoted" to being Posse again. Not that that applies to Shepard......think he;s always been pretty good. But if the dude set there and said he ain;t Posse after a win in PA then why are ya;ll sayin he is??????? I think if he wanted to be known as Posse he woulda said so.

ever occur to you he might be racing there weekly for points because maybe he doesn;t have the funds to travel long distances. Big difference between not having the funds and not having the balls........

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would