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The country has moved to the Left and is dragging your beloved Republican party with it. Conservatism is dead...Your party keeps moving to the left try try to keep getting votes and is now where the Democrats were 40 years ago....Keep living in your bass ackwards ways and you will never see a Republican in the White House again. I am a Liberal Democrat and believe me when I tell you, the Democrats have moved closer to the center trying to gain more votes too. Barack Obama is no Liberal, if he were, we would have gotten the "single payer" with healthcare reform and the Patriot Act and Bush tax cuts would have been overturned in his first day in office. So deal with it and learn to roll with the changes. You're getting ready to see the biggest landslide election since Raygun/Mondale in 1984. http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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you are correct the country has been moving more and more to the left, and look what it has gotten us. liberal policies enacted by both parties since the 60's have been dragging this country down.
the only reason we didn't end up with single payer health was because the left couldn't get enough of its own to sign on to it. it was the dems who had all the votes to do it if they would have stuck together, but the bill had to be changed to get enough of them to sign on.
and you are correct, obama is no liberal. he is a socialist, plain and simple.
now you know it is nothing personal pat, i just have to point out the misgivings in your statement.
obama was hired to fix the problems. not only has he not done that, he has made them worse.
now if you were hired to fix some aircraft and you not only didn't fix it, but you made it worse and then you continued to blame the last guy who did the work that you were hired to correct, how long would you be around? especially if you ran up your employers credit card at twice the rate as the last guy.
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Facts vs. Emotion in Campaign SeasonIt’s interesting to watch how both campaigns are beginning to work. And as usual, the old battle lines are being drawn. Democrats are playing to lies, half truths, and emotion and Republicans are more or less playing to facts and patriotism.
Let’s take a look at what I mean by taking a look at 4 ads that came out this weekend. Obama and his team came out with this ad hitting Romney for closing a steel plant in
It starts with a former steelworker saying that his company GST Steel, which is kind of odd because if you had a great reputation for quality I don’t think the company would ever have been in a position where Bain Capital could have bought it out. But there I am using logic, silly me all that matters is that picture of the old guy putting on the hard hat. I should really feel sorry for him. Then we have David Foster, Lead Negotiator for workers at GST Steel, saying that it was Romney’s fault. Okay let’s deal with that point piece by piece. First GST Steel closed in 2001 two years after Romney left Bain. Second, the reason GST Steel was closed was because Bain kept trying to make the plant work but as the union refused to compromise on ANYTHING there was no way to make the company profitable. Also let’s not forget that Bain offered to buy employees out and offered to give them new jobs, albeit non-union jobs at the profitable steel company…more on that later. So in reality it was the union’s refusal to negotiate that killed GST…hmm who was the chief union guy?…oh, that would be the “Lead Negotiator for workers at GST Steel” David Foster. So Foster’s claim that Romney was to blame comes off a little hollow as it was really Foster’s inability to put the well being of employees ahead of the well being of the union. “They closed it down without any concern for the families or the community”…after you know, years of trying to make it profitable. And they “made as much money off it as they could”! Dear God! What monsters! They actually tried to make a profit. Sick, sick people.
They terminated health and life insurance…strangely that’s what happens when you go out of business.
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A lot of the 47% work! You don't seem to understand what it means Leon, and I don't think you care if you do or not
And conservative sites are said to be the only ones who "spin" comments. Go figure!
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you are correct the country has been moving more and more to the left, and look what it has gotten us. liberal policies enacted by both parties since the 60's have been dragging this country down.
the only reason we didn't end up with single payer health was because the left couldn't get enough of its own to sign on to it. it was the dems who had all the votes to do it if they would have stuck together, but the bill had to be changed to get enough of them to sign on.
and you are correct, obama is no liberal. he is a socialist, plain and simple.
now you know it is nothing personal pat, i just have to point out the misgivings in your statement.
obama was hired to fix the problems. not only has he not done that, he has made them worse.
now if you were hired to fix some aircraft and you not only didn't fix it, but you made it worse and then you continued to blame the last guy who did the work that you were hired to correct, how long would you be around? especially if you ran up your employers credit card at twice the rate as the last guy.
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If you bring me a POS aircraft for me to repair that is corroded to hell and falling apart, then come back in an unreasonable time and wonder why it's not completed, I'm going to laugh at you. People keep saying that things are worse, but I don't believe it. This country is in much better shape today than it was 4 years ago. Is it as good as I would like it to be? No....But I said before the 2008 election that it would take at least 10 years to get us back to where we were. your boy dug one hell of a hole while fighting 2 wars* on borrowed money and it takes a lot of dirt to fill it back in, which takes a lot of time, especially when the House of Representatives is fighting over who gets the shovel. The Republicans had their 8 years and jacked everything up, no worries, as history has shown, the Democrats will once again fix their screw ups.
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 My union refused to negotiate. I refused to take a non-union job. It’s all Romney’s fault.
I love the “Those guys are all rich” complaint. Not only is Obama still playing to the most base and uneducated class warfare, but it shows how dumb some people are. You can have millions. Hell you might even have billions…but that money doesn’t last to just give out, if you’re not making a profit, then that money won’t last forever. The implication from that line is that Romney and all the other Bain executives should have gone bankrupt to keep funding a plant that wasn’t making money.
“We view Mitt Romney as a job destroyer” and I view you as someone who doesn’t do math very well. Why? Well, 750 employees (you have to love how they claim he destroyed thousands…the typical Democratic propensity for lack of accuracy in numbers ) lost their jobs because of what Bain did…now last time I checked 750 was less than 6,000…8 times less if my math is correct. Also fun fact, the GST Steel plant was reopened in 2004 with somewhat fewer workers…thus proving Mitt Romney’s point that sometimes you need to let industries go bankrupt so things can be reset, reorganized, and redone and come back stronger than ever…it’s a term in capitalism known as creative destruction. Although from the Obama ad you would never know the plant reopened. And also what’s with all the pictures of houses collapsing like it’s a post-Apocalyptic landscape?
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The Republican party has moved so far to the right, Reagan would have to run as a Democrat today. Romney imposed almost the exact same health care plan in the state he governed, Massachusetts, does that make him a socialist too?.
The Republican party with there obstructionist tactics has been our biggest roadblock to our recovery. They vote down anything that might make this president look good, and and it's been their playbook to our detriment from day one regardless of who it hurts. . It’s probably useful to remind Republicans like John McCain (a “nay” on the jobs bill) that wounded, jobless and homeless veterans aren’t a fact of nature. They’re a product of the wars that Congress members voted for [and] the war debt they piled on... Republicans Block Military Jobs Bill - Business Insider
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ALL politics aside Kyle could be a real terror in formula 1 more so than the Minot Outlaw would ever be ,not that this will really get the firestorm started ,I don't think Mr. big winner has ever fully recovered from his tangle with the 21 car a few years back,that Minot driver was really shook after that ride I would be too, but I think it still plays on his mind when he comes to the cow palace,ever notice how looks to the outside as he goes past the backstretch bridge,watch him you'll see hes gun shy back there.
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Posted By: Hawker on September 30 2012 at 09:43:42 AM
If you bring me a POS aircraft for me to repair that is corroded to hell and falling apart, then come back in an unreasonable time and wonder why it's not completed, I'm going to laugh at you. People keep saying that things are worse, but I don't believe it. This country is in much better shape today than it was 4 years ago. Is it as good as I would like it to be? No....But I said before the 2008 election that it would take at least 10 years to get us back to where we were. your boy dug one hell of a hole while fighting 2 wars* on borrowed money and it takes a lot of dirt to fill it back in, which takes a lot of time, especially when the House of Representatives is fighting over who gets the shovel. The Republicans had their 8 years and jacked everything up, no worries, as history has shown, the Democrats will once again fix their screw ups.
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How much has that little conflict in Afganhistan cost? and how about the other wars that we have been in the last 4 yrs cost? All of that cost has to be borrowed, we have had no budget in 3 yrs. Republican or Democrat we have no business in the middle east no matter what the cost in dollars or lives.
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Hawker
How much has that little conflict in Afganhistan cost? and how about the other wars that we have been in the last 4 yrs cost? All of that cost has to be borrowed, we have had no budget in 3 yrs. Republican or Democrat we have no business in the middle east no matter what the cost in dollars or lives.
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Where were you when we went into Iraq Grady? Why weren't you protesting against it then, I was.
Obama overthrew Libya with a bunch of scrubs,a low budget and few dead Americans...it was awesome and a work in progress.
It seems that most Republican, and I don't give a hoot if you are one or not, don't seem to know their own history. Why else would Romney bad mouth the 47% in such a way if he did? Only a damned fool insults 47% of the population, even at a private fundraiser.
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In 1980, Ronald Reagan won the Republican nomination. He beat a future President, George H.W. Bush, two future Senate majority leaders, Howard Baker and Bob Dole, and two lesser-known congressmen.
This year Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination. He beat a radio host, a disgraced former House speaker, a defeated Senate candidate, a former appointee of the Obama administration, a tongue-tied Texas governor, a religious zealot who happens to serve in the House of Representatives, and a cranky libertarian doctor. Where did all the talent go?
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Where were you when we went into Iraq Grady? Why weren't you protesting against it then, I was.
Obama overthrew Libya with a bunch of scrubs,a low budget and few dead Americans...it was awesome and a work in progress.
It seems that most Republican, and I don't give a hoot if you are one or not, don't seem to know their own history. Why else would Romney bad mouth the 47% in such a way if he did? Only a damned fool insults 47% of the population, even at a private fundraiser.
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You are right I did not protest the war in Iraq, it might be hard for you to understand but I have changed my mind about that war and all the bs going on over there. We do not need to give up the lives and bodies of our service men and women for those people, and we should get out today.
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ALL politics aside Kyle could be a real terror in formula 1 more so than the Minot Outlaw would ever be ,not that this will really get the firestorm started ,I don't think Mr. big winner has ever fully recovered from his tangle with the 21 car a few years back,that Minot driver was really shook after that ride I would be too, but I think it still plays on his mind when he comes to the cow palace,ever notice how looks to the outside as he goes past the backstretch bridge,watch him you'll see hes gun shy back there.
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I feel that he, Stewart and Gordon are/were the USA's best shot in a long time to have a legitimate shot in F1....But the wrong paths were chosen. Our next best bet is Steve Lewis' son, Michael. He's had some good runs in Formula 3.
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Kenny
You are right I did not protest the war in Iraq, it might be hard for you to understand but I have changed my mind about that war and all the bs going on over there. We do not need to give up the lives and bodies of our service men and women for those people, and we should get out today.
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with changing one's mind, I respect the hell out of that. but unfortunately, the majority of Republicans view that as a flip flop. I go to Afghanistan 5 or 6 times a year, my job depends on defense spending, I disagreed with Iraq from day one, however I supported the operations (i refuse to call any of this a war) in Afghanistan. But, and remind you, my job is dependent on turmoil in the world, after Bin Laden was killed, we should have started an immediate withdrawl. I can tell you first hand that everyone has their calendars set for the end of 2014 for us to be out of Afghanistan, but you need to read into that a bit deeper. Mark my words, we aren't going anywhere...
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with changing one's mind, I respect the hell out of that. but unfortunately, the majority of Republicans view that as a flip flop. I go to Afghanistan 5 or 6 times a year, my job depends on defense spending, I disagreed with Iraq from day one, however I supported the operations (i refuse to call any of this a war) in Afghanistan. But, and remind you, my job is dependent on turmoil in the world, after Bin Laden was killed, we should have started an immediate withdrawl. I can tell you first hand that everyone has their calendars set for the end of 2014 for us to be out of Afghanistan, but you need to read into that a bit deeper. Mark my words, we aren't going anywhere...
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We sure aren't, and anyone who pays attention to our history would know we weren't going anywhere after the end of that so called war...Would it be safe to say that we're Imperialist Hawker? And Hawker, I'm sure you know damn well what Ike had to say about the Industrial military complex that you're a part of, and you are also well aware of the long term harm we've done to the civilians in the middle east, but yet you, and being aware of all that choose to be a profiteer, why?
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex," Ike said that night. "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
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I think they both suck but when ones talkes about kicking over 100,000 plus military members which i am a part of then i have a problem. I know a bunch of poeple who got put out and went right to the unemployment line cause they could find a job that was worth a shit. Familys and people lifes where ruined because of that. you try 14 years at a job then get told you no longer have a job but heres a couple 10,000$ for your troubles
but hey IRAN wants to blow up military bases oversea's at least there won't be anyone there to get hurt.
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I think they both suck but when ones talkes about kicking over 100,000 plus military members which i am a part of then i have a problem. I know a bunch of poeple who got put out and went right to the unemployment line cause they could find a job that was worth a shit. Familys and people lifes where ruined because of that. you try 14 years at a job then get told you no longer have a job but heres a couple 10,000$ for your troubles
but hey IRAN wants to blow up military bases oversea's at least there won't be anyone there to get hurt.
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I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying we should keep the war going so people will have work?
That's another thing Romney wasn't thinking of when he was bad mouthing the 47%, a lot of our enlisted men came from that %, and when they get out their right back in it.
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Kenny
You are right I did not protest the war in Iraq, it might be hard for you to understand but I have changed my mind about that war and all the bs going on over there. We do not need to give up the lives and bodies of our service men and women for those people, and we should get out today.
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Sorry Grady, but knowing what you've said in the past, I think you've swayed the other way simply so you could now bad mouth Obama.
What about Viet Nam Grady? We're you for it then, but now know it was a mistake, or no? It was my patriotic duty to stand up against both wars, and I did.
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Sorry Grady, but knowing what you've said in the past, I think you've swayed the other way simply so you could now bad mouth Obama.
What about Viet Nam Grady? We're you for it then, but now know it was a mistake, or no? It was my patriotic duty to stand up against both wars, and I did.
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Sorry, Kenny
There is nothing I can say that is as bad as Obama's record is.
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Job loss, bankruptcies, and outsourcing: Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital
Mitt Romney claims his experience as a corporate buyout specialist is the reason Americans should elect him: “I know how business works. I know why jobs come and why they go.” But in reality, Romney Economics meant buying out companies, loading them with debt, and sending several into bankruptcy—all while Romney and his partners made millions. Here’s what you need to know about Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital:
Job loss: Thousands of middle-class workers were laid off by companies that Romney’s firm invested in and controlled. Click here to read the story of Dade Behring, a medical supplies company that Bain loaded with debt. It went into bankruptcy and nearly 3,000 workers lost their jobs—but Romney and his partners made more than $250 million in profit. And it was the same story with American Pad and Paper, which lost 1,500 jobs while Bain made $100 million.
Bankruptcies: Under Romney, “Bain structured deals so that it was difficult for the firm and its executives to ever really lose,” even if companies took on more and more debt and eventually went bankrupt. Romney and his investors made $400 million from four companies that went bankrupt after taking on debt “to repay Bain investors or to carry out a Bain-led acquisition strategy.” Click here to read the story of one company, GST Steel, that was forced to go bankrupt and lay off 750 workers while Romney and his investors collected $12 million in profits. Stage Stores saw a similar fate, to the tune of 5,794 jobs lost amid $170 million in Bain profits.
Outsourcing: Bain Capital invested heavily in firms that “grew into some of the largest outsourcing and offshoring companies in the world,” making millions off companies that were “pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories” in countries including China and India. Take a look at this map to see where in the world Romney has outsourced and offshored.
Mitt Romney’s experience at Bain Capital was never about creating jobs; it was about making profits for wealthy investors. Those aren’t the values we need in the White House.
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If you bring me a POS aircraft for me to repair that is corroded to hell and falling apart, then come back in an unreasonable time and wonder why it's not completed, I'm going to laugh at you. People keep saying that things are worse, but I don't believe it. This country is in much better shape today than it was 4 years ago. Is it as good as I would like it to be? No....But I said before the 2008 election that it would take at least 10 years to get us back to where we were. your boy dug one hell of a hole while fighting 2 wars* on borrowed money and it takes a lot of dirt to fill it back in, which takes a lot of time, especially when the House of Representatives is fighting over who gets the shovel. The Republicans had their 8 years and jacked everything up, no worries, as history has shown, the Democrats will once again fix their screw ups.
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pat i see you have fallen into the blame and make excuses pattern. that is not something i would expect from someone with your skills. from what i know, you are a very smart, talented and capable person who does their job and does it in a timely and skillful manner.
well lets get something straight. obama is the one who said he could fix the plane. he is the one who said he had examined the damage and gave us a time table in which he could fix the damage. he also gave us the parameters that he could keep the damage contained to and how much money he could end up saving us when the repairs were executed.
obama hasn't met any of HIS promised production benchmarks or costs.
now, if the plane was damaged so badly that there was no way the repairs could be executed in the time and cost frame that HE specified, why did he tell us he could fix it in an improbable time frame and cost structure?
and if he didn't see how bad the plane was damaged, then he was incompetent and should have never been hired for the job.
remember obama said he had a "rigorously researched" stimulus plan that if implemented would keep unemployment under 8%. well unemployment shot up to 10.6%. actual estimated unemployment at this time has been said to be close 20%
obama told us he could fix the problems in 3-4 years or this would be a one term proposition. well he set the time frame and he hasn't met it.
obama also told us he would cut the deficit in half in his first term. he has raised it by a third. has has added the same amount in less than 4 years as bush did in 8 years.
obama hasn't met the minimum benchmarks HE set. in any other venue, including your line of work, he would be let go, and you would be in agreement.
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