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People like you should be bounced off this group. You contribute little if anything. You do make me laugh with your crap.

Seriously?  If any of the top teams with HL decide to "rest" during National, it will be clear HL is trying to divide and monopolize winged sprint car racing. And not in the interest of fans. 

Bingo. That would be the smoking gun right there because at that point, we'd all know that they're paying the teams big money to sit. Nationals week is a huge money week. Winnings aside, everyone sells the living hell out of shirts. No way in hell anyone who races for a living in a touring series will sit that one out unless they're injured or someone is subsidizing their losses. If anyone absolutely needed time off for whatever reason, they're  going to do it prior to the Nationals or afterwards. 

Seriously?  If any of the top teams with HL decide to "rest" during National, it will be clear HL is trying to divide and monopolize winged sprint car racing. And not in the interest of fans. 

Eliason raced 73 times last year against lesser competition and only won twice.

Schatz raced 79 times against the very best and won 5 times and won over three times the money. 

Enough said, Schatz is clearly better than Eliason.

OMG. (that's short for Oh my God)

Seriously?  If any of the top teams with HL decide to "rest" during National, it will be clear HL is trying to divide and monopolize winged sprint car racing. And not in the interest of fans. 

I am not convinced the main underlying factor is anything the Outlaws did or didn’t do. None of this could have happened without Flo. This is simply about Flo getting more views (money). They are using Brad and Kyle as the front of the business as they wouldn’t be able to pull this off without a streaming platform.

I work in global trade for a major manufacturing company. In the world of trade, there are scenarios where foreign manufacturers will sell under market price in the US to gain market share. Their goal is to undermine and ultimately harm the US market so they can take it over. There are tools used to mitigate that by US Customs and the Commerce department. Flo is doing the same thing but instead of undercutting the market, they are saturating it with money. This is not a long term solution.

It takes a lot of money to hire all these people, guarantee tow money, have these inflated purses, etc. The drivers love the money but before we get on the HL love boat, we should be asking where is this money coming from and how will it be sustained. What happens when Flo’s views flatten or don’t increase at the level they expect?

We’re all arguing about who’s better and this and that. HL and Flo do not want a peaceful co-existence with the Outlaws. They want to destroy the Outlaws just like they did the All Stars. Why? Money and power. They want market share. I know, this is America and that’s how business works. I respect that but I don’t like how HL have conducted their business so far. As a customer, I will remember that and choose how to spend my money with them. Quite frankly, I do not trust Brad Sweet based on his comments. He has an agenda. Brad Sweet wouldn’t be where he is today without the Outlaws and for his to turn around and try to destroy them shows his character. He’s a great driver and has accomplished things that few have, but that doesn’t make him right in the approach he is taking now.

HL is like a new girlfriend. Everyone is all excited about what she will do. It will make us blush. But, eventually, the new girlfriend turns in an old girlfriend and we’re back to the same problems.

The Lucas Oil Late Models are in bed with Flo. In 2023 they had one of those goofy chase for the championship deals. The driver who won way more races and had a big lead, lost the championship in the final race to a gimmick. You know dang well that HL/Flo will have goofy gimmicks along the way. They are a streaming company and that is what you do to get views.

The World of Outlaws have their identity. They, for now, have the majority of the best drivers, the best races, the best tracks, the highest paying races, etc. HL needs to find their identity. How will they be different from the Outlaws? 410 sprint car racing’s product is the feature event. Everything else is just time filler. What could HL do that is so different? It will have to be, to a degree, through gimmicks.

A key selling point of HL is a shorter schedule but for similar money. Yet, I suspect many of the HL drivers will supplement their season with Outlaw races with undermines the argument that the teams actually want to race less. HL will keep adding to their schedule in the future. Why? Because the more HL races, the more money the top of the pyramid makes.

Drivers and teams need to make money to survive. But so do tracks, series, and the fans need value. This obsession with money is understandable but not sustainable. I said it before but the real missed opportunity isn’t how much we can inflate the purse but how we can reduce the cost to race. The Outlaws and the racers themselves are at fault for not addressing this problem. We cannot make 410 racing cheap but we cannot actually think having $75K engines is going to last, do we? Eventually, the local teams will dry up and there will be no feeder system. The HL thing really lines the pockets of the wealthy but isn’t fixing the true problem of our sport. The Outlaws have a similar problem. It’s not just HL.

This smoke and mirror show is distracting us fans from the real issues. Both series have a strong line up. I would argue the Outlaws have more experience (even though it is a smaller group) but I think you could argue HL has a better up and coming lineup with experience mixed in. It will be interesting to see how many actually make it to the end of the season for HL.

That’s all I have for now. Fire away.

Nope you are wrong.  They are equal.

There's only one on here who doesn't get that and his name is Petey.

I am not convinced the main underlying factor is anything the Outlaws did or didn’t do. None of this could have happened without Flo. This is simply about Flo getting more views (money). They are using Brad and Kyle as the front of the business as they wouldn’t be able to pull this off without a streaming platform.

I work in global trade for a major manufacturing company. In the world of trade, there are scenarios where foreign manufacturers will sell under market price in the US to gain market share. Their goal is to undermine and ultimately harm the US market so they can take it over. There are tools used to mitigate that by US Customs and the Commerce department. Flo is doing the same thing but instead of undercutting the market, they are saturating it with money. This is not a long term solution.

It takes a lot of money to hire all these people, guarantee tow money, have these inflated purses, etc. The drivers love the money but before we get on the HL love boat, we should be asking where is this money coming from and how will it be sustained. What happens when Flo’s views flatten or don’t increase at the level they expect?

We’re all arguing about who’s better and this and that. HL and Flo do not want a peaceful co-existence with the Outlaws. They want to destroy the Outlaws just like they did the All Stars. Why? Money and power. They want market share. I know, this is America and that’s how business works. I respect that but I don’t like how HL have conducted their business so far. As a customer, I will remember that and choose how to spend my money with them. Quite frankly, I do not trust Brad Sweet based on his comments. He has an agenda. Brad Sweet wouldn’t be where he is today without the Outlaws and for his to turn around and try to destroy them shows his character. He’s a great driver and has accomplished things that few have, but that doesn’t make him right in the approach he is taking now.

HL is like a new girlfriend. Everyone is all excited about what she will do. It will make us blush. But, eventually, the new girlfriend turns in an old girlfriend and we’re back to the same problems.

The Lucas Oil Late Models are in bed with Flo. In 2023 they had one of those goofy chase for the championship deals. The driver who won way more races and had a big lead, lost the championship in the final race to a gimmick. You know dang well that HL/Flo will have goofy gimmicks along the way. They are a streaming company and that is what you do to get views.

The World of Outlaws have their identity. They, for now, have the majority of the best drivers, the best races, the best tracks, the highest paying races, etc. HL needs to find their identity. How will they be different from the Outlaws? 410 sprint car racing’s product is the feature event. Everything else is just time filler. What could HL do that is so different? It will have to be, to a degree, through gimmicks.

A key selling point of HL is a shorter schedule but for similar money. Yet, I suspect many of the HL drivers will supplement their season with Outlaw races with undermines the argument that the teams actually want to race less. HL will keep adding to their schedule in the future. Why? Because the more HL races, the more money the top of the pyramid makes.

Drivers and teams need to make money to survive. But so do tracks, series, and the fans need value. This obsession with money is understandable but not sustainable. I said it before but the real missed opportunity isn’t how much we can inflate the purse but how we can reduce the cost to race. The Outlaws and the racers themselves are at fault for not addressing this problem. We cannot make 410 racing cheap but we cannot actually think having $75K engines is going to last, do we? Eventually, the local teams will dry up and there will be no feeder system. The HL thing really lines the pockets of the wealthy but isn’t fixing the true problem of our sport. The Outlaws have a similar problem. It’s not just HL.

This smoke and mirror show is distracting us fans from the real issues. Both series have a strong line up. I would argue the Outlaws have more experience (even though it is a smaller group) but I think you could argue HL has a better up and coming lineup with experience mixed in. It will be interesting to see how many actually make it to the end of the season for HL.

That’s all I have for now. Fire away.

Nope you are wrong.  They are equal.

Probably the thing that makes Eliason stand out, if anything, is that he loves the Port Royal track prep!

I am not convinced the main underlying factor is anything the Outlaws did or didn’t do. None of this could have happened without Flo. This is simply about Flo getting more views (money). They are using Brad and Kyle as the front of the business as they wouldn’t be able to pull this off without a streaming platform.

I work in global trade for a major manufacturing company. In the world of trade, there are scenarios where foreign manufacturers will sell under market price in the US to gain market share. Their goal is to undermine and ultimately harm the US market so they can take it over. There are tools used to mitigate that by US Customs and the Commerce department. Flo is doing the same thing but instead of undercutting the market, they are saturating it with money. This is not a long term solution.

It takes a lot of money to hire all these people, guarantee tow money, have these inflated purses, etc. The drivers love the money but before we get on the HL love boat, we should be asking where is this money coming from and how will it be sustained. What happens when Flo’s views flatten or don’t increase at the level they expect?

We’re all arguing about who’s better and this and that. HL and Flo do not want a peaceful co-existence with the Outlaws. They want to destroy the Outlaws just like they did the All Stars. Why? Money and power. They want market share. I know, this is America and that’s how business works. I respect that but I don’t like how HL have conducted their business so far. As a customer, I will remember that and choose how to spend my money with them. Quite frankly, I do not trust Brad Sweet based on his comments. He has an agenda. Brad Sweet wouldn’t be where he is today without the Outlaws and for his to turn around and try to destroy them shows his character. He’s a great driver and has accomplished things that few have, but that doesn’t make him right in the approach he is taking now.

HL is like a new girlfriend. Everyone is all excited about what she will do. It will make us blush. But, eventually, the new girlfriend turns in an old girlfriend and we’re back to the same problems.

The Lucas Oil Late Models are in bed with Flo. In 2023 they had one of those goofy chase for the championship deals. The driver who won way more races and had a big lead, lost the championship in the final race to a gimmick. You know dang well that HL/Flo will have goofy gimmicks along the way. They are a streaming company and that is what you do to get views.

The World of Outlaws have their identity. They, for now, have the majority of the best drivers, the best races, the best tracks, the highest paying races, etc. HL needs to find their identity. How will they be different from the Outlaws? 410 sprint car racing’s product is the feature event. Everything else is just time filler. What could HL do that is so different? It will have to be, to a degree, through gimmicks.

A key selling point of HL is a shorter schedule but for similar money. Yet, I suspect many of the HL drivers will supplement their season with Outlaw races with undermines the argument that the teams actually want to race less. HL will keep adding to their schedule in the future. Why? Because the more HL races, the more money the top of the pyramid makes.

Drivers and teams need to make money to survive. But so do tracks, series, and the fans need value. This obsession with money is understandable but not sustainable. I said it before but the real missed opportunity isn’t how much we can inflate the purse but how we can reduce the cost to race. The Outlaws and the racers themselves are at fault for not addressing this problem. We cannot make 410 racing cheap but we cannot actually think having $75K engines is going to last, do we? Eventually, the local teams will dry up and there will be no feeder system. The HL thing really lines the pockets of the wealthy but isn’t fixing the true problem of our sport. The Outlaws have a similar problem. It’s not just HL.

This smoke and mirror show is distracting us fans from the real issues. Both series have a strong line up. I would argue the Outlaws have more experience (even though it is a smaller group) but I think you could argue HL has a better up and coming lineup with experience mixed in. It will be interesting to see how many actually make it to the end of the season for HL.

That’s all I have for now. Fire away.

Saying someone who has zero WoO wins in his last 125 WoO races (more than 5 years) is on the same level as the guy who won the King's Royal 5 months ago (without Ricky) and the Knoxville Nationals 16 months ago (without Ricky) and has 14 WoO wins in just the past 2 years means you  are acting ignorant, (if you keep arguing that doofus take), or you are proving you are ignorant (if you actually believe that doofus take). 

Easiest measuring stick is head to head.       They were at the same race 37 times last year.

Schatz outran Eliason 27 of the 37.  That's not equal, that's HUGE advantage Schatz.   

Final Score Schatz 27-10.... game over. 

Nope you are wrong.  They are equal.

Saying someone who has zero WoO wins in his last 125 WoO races (more than 5 years) is on the same level as the guy who won the King's Royal 5 months ago (without Ricky) and the Knoxville Nationals 16 months ago (without Ricky) and has 14 WoO wins in just the past 2 years means you  are acting ignorant, (if you keep arguing that doofus take), or you are proving you are ignorant (if you actually believe that doofus take). 

Easiest measuring stick is head to head.       They were at the same race 37 times last year.

Schatz outran Eliason 27 of the 37.  That's not equal, that's HUGE advantage Schatz.   

Final Score Schatz 27-10.... game over.