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OK, if you have inside info, can you tell us what they plan to do with the Allstars once they own them?

Keep it regional? Go national? Dissolve it? & why?

The new SSR 23 shop is build in the infield of the track. Rumor is that it will just be used as a test track. 

We can't they just all get along?  Do you think the world of sprint car racing will be better if any of them go away?  Racers can only race at one event a day, it is simple physics. Making it easier for travel for all of them is smart. I understand why the drivers and teams chase the big money events, can't all of you? The racers running the local regular track series don't all desire to move up in the world of sprint car racing although given the chance many would like to run an event to see how they compare.

Larson's bread and butter is NASCAR so events on the weekends rule him out.  Personally I like traveling shows on weekdays. Leaves the local shows able to run their events and stay in business.

My hope is that if everything on here is true the All Star officials make a deal to keep the name at least. There has to be a regional series for the weekend warrior racers to compete in. If they want to take on the Woo great good luck with that but don't eliminate a name that's been around a long time for the guys who can't afford to travel all over the country.

That last paragraph I think has A LOT to do with why we even had a High Limit series in the first place. 

Agreed on all accounts. The money people who just can't leave well enough alone are ruining great tradtions in many sports. HL was good thing this year but buying the all-stars makes no sense. Is every all-star race gonna pay 23G or better now? I don't see that happening.

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Streaming is the reason things are changing . . . . . . I doubt it.  Racers and Owners will eventually do what is best for them financially. Local series racers will venture out when they can afford to and/or opportunity is close by. Not just anyone is allowed to run with the top traveling series. The day may come when all cars may not qualify to run for the event.  NASCAR used to have to limit the number of cars in an event.  They still do sort of.

Based upon what SPCjay has said in the past I would trust his posts and sources. Over the years on here you learn who has reliable info and who doesn't, who belittles people, and who provides useful content to the forum. 

Keep It Real

It's getting real now... Gonna see a big divide because WRG is threatening to pull shows from any track who also schedules the new high limit series (previously known as all-stars) for next year. Ohio speed week AND PA speed week both are in jeopardy...can you imagine port/WG having to decide if they want high limit or woo?  What if a track chooses outlaws over HL but outlaws are reduced to cars like the 6 and 20G because then big teams all jumped ship.

from the turnout at Lernerville at the HL race i think they can be succesful. WG dumped Lernerville because of the Late Model 100 race. The turn out for the HL race was far better than the last 5 yrs of outlaw races there...i was there for all of them.

The talent that was at that race was a good as any outlaw race.

The preverbeal damn is about to bust . Brad Sweet , FLO and good ol fashion greed. are about to singlehandedly nuke sprint car racing east of the mississippi . Who would have thought a few years ago that FLO would do this ? So many staple races of the sprint car calender could be in jeporady of not even existing / getting neutured if these boundaries are drawn between WRG and HL. Brad Doty Classic , Attica Spring Nationals , Lou Blaney Memorial , Dean Knittle Memorial , Jim Ford Classic , Tuscarora 50 , Rick Ferkle Classic , Bob Wiekert Memorial , Jason Johnson Classic etc . Makes my heart hurt knowing whats about to go down. This will turn ugly. People will want the "good ol days" back. 

The best racetracks are in the middle of nowhere

Pa. Speedweek is unsanctioned and won't be affected. Most Pa. tracks are quite capable of running a big show without offials from any sanctioning body screwing it up. The Grove will choose WOO. Port will have leverage to get better dates if the Outlaws want to stay there. I am pretty sure Port's shows are among the most veiwed on Flo giving them leverage there also. The All Stars ran fewer Pa. shows this past season. And don't we hear about half the the teams leaving the WOO every year. There may be some disruptions in areas that don't have many 410's. 

Seems to me there is a way of doing this

When HL/All-Stars are running in the East, WoO could be in Midwest - vice versa

When HL/All-Stars are running in the Midwest, WoO is out East

And then just make the top 10+ major of the events open shows

                 First you would have to convince Woo that they should share their toys. That has never happened before and would not fit fit their business model nor would it for any other business.

I think the reason for this is pretty simple:  There is not enough money and well-funded teams to spread 2 national touring series across the US, especially if they decide to share venues for "national" events.  Won't work.  And everyone that is smiling ear to ear right now about this needs their heads examined.  This will not be good for our sport if national exposure and further growth outside of our grassroots fans is what is desired. 

If we want to keep sprint car racing to ourselves, have regional battles year in and year out, no national travelling series, and end streaming, this formula should work perfect.............

The WoO have survived feast, famine, the late disco era, no wings/ wings, Sammy wearing a cowboy hat, Steve Kinser domination, Steve Kinser with a perm,  The United Sprint association, the 80's hair band era, Steve Kinser leaving for Nascar, Steve Kinser returning from Nascar, the grunge era, Ted Johnson with 1 lung, TNN trying to turn it into WWF, tragedy, triumph, Sid Blanford, repossession of assets, The National Sprint Tour, poor economies, poor track conditions, power outages, power trips, bad formats, bad rules, bad officials, bad blood, bad behavior, unruly fans, upheavals & unrest.

 This will be just another bump in the road. (probably)

Are tracks unable to schedule both now? 

If I'm a promotor / track owner, I don't want any sanctioning body telling what other races I can and can't have at my track.

Keep It Real

If you compare September shows maybe, but the Don Martin race sanctioned by the WoO was almost a sell out year after year. 

Few tracks have that leverage. The WoO pays a lot of promoter bills throughout the year with their races. 

If SLS stays loyal, and Eldora, Knoxville, Husets and the Grove stay loyal, the WoO has a big advantag, but we'll see. 

I believe Knoxville has traditionally did what they thought was best for them and racing in general.  Off the top of my head they've had at least (3) separate sanctioning bodies run through the track this past year, WOO, USAC, and ASCOC excluding the flat trackers. 

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