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March 30, 2015 at
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Posted By: sprintman11 on March 30 2015 at 08:06:43 PM
I thought Kraig Kinser was running a J&J??
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He did out at Cocopah in January but every picture I've seen of the 11K since the WoO season started, he's been in a Triple-X. I hope it's a positive move and he ends up having a good season. I've always liked him for some reason. Hopefully he can find his stride and get back where his NASCAR stint.
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Outlaws got lucky at Chico. Schatz started on the pole and Tanner Thorson still almost beat him from 13th. Thorson was the fastest car.
The Outlaws did do better than expected at Antioch though.
Placerville is a Wed show. Don't know if all the locals can run midweek or not. Locals should have the upper hand there if they can all make it.
Calistoga is a nascar money motor track. Outlaws get beat there with the budgets they have with sticky tires, and they might as well hang it up.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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April 03, 2015 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 02 2015 at 10:41:24 PM
Outlaws got lucky at Chico. Schatz started on the pole and Tanner Thorson still almost beat him from 13th. Thorson was the fastest car.
The Outlaws did do better than expected at Antioch though.
Placerville is a Wed show. Don't know if all the locals can run midweek or not. Locals should have the upper hand there if they can all make it.
Calistoga is a nascar money motor track. Outlaws get beat there with the budgets they have with sticky tires, and they might as well hang it up.
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Outlaws aren't that bad.....Cali drivers are just that good.
Those "sticky" tires are harder this year than a year or so ago.
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April 03, 2015 at
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Posted By: jackhammer on April 03 2015 at 12:08:38 AM
Outlaws aren't that bad.....Cali drivers are just that good.
Those "sticky" tires are harder this year than a year or so ago.
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http://www.hoosiertire.com/pdfs/pb105_16_15_H_R15DirtSprintTire.pdf
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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April 03, 2015 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 02 2015 at 10:41:24 PM
Outlaws got lucky at Chico. Schatz started on the pole and Tanner Thorson still almost beat him from 13th. Thorson was the fastest car.
The Outlaws did do better than expected at Antioch though.
Placerville is a Wed show. Don't know if all the locals can run midweek or not. Locals should have the upper hand there if they can all make it.
Calistoga is a nascar money motor track. Outlaws get beat there with the budgets they have with sticky tires, and they might as well hang it up.
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Got lucky? COme on Cubes, shouldn't you be invoking the "Outlaws cheat" excuse by now?
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April 03, 2015 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 03 2015 at 09:03:13 AM
Got lucky? COme on Cubes, shouldn't you be invoking the "Outlaws cheat" excuse by now?
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Haven't really used the Outlaws cheat excuse too much.
Other than Gravel blatantly spinning out Stevie Smith for $50,000.
They don't need to cheat. They just change the rules to suit their own budgets instead, like this soft tire deal.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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April 03, 2015 at
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i would like to chime in here if i may. it seems your link is a responce trying to substanciate that the HR 15 tire is a softer tire than has been run in the past just because it claims to be a " slightly softer" H compound tire. while it may be just slightly softer for a lack of a better word than a regular "H" compound, it is not softer than the tires run in the past.
the compounds in the past have been as low as a 12. that is softer than a 15 as well as a HR15.
the tires run this year are harder than the goodyears were.
the only thing that has gotten softer is your head. and i don't mean the one on your shoulders.
to indy and beyond!!
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Earlier this year I saw an explanation of how the HR 15 tire is different but now I cannot find anything except what Hoosier has posted and that does not tell us much. Somebody please help me out here. I am thinking that it was posted back in January when the new tire was announced. Thanks.
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April 04, 2015 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on April 03 2015 at 01:48:33 PM
i would like to chime in here if i may. it seems your link is a responce trying to substanciate that the HR 15 tire is a softer tire than has been run in the past just because it claims to be a " slightly softer" H compound tire. while it may be just slightly softer for a lack of a better word than a regular "H" compound, it is not softer than the tires run in the past.
the compounds in the past have been as low as a 12. that is softer than a 15 as well as a HR15.
the tires run this year are harder than the goodyears were.
the only thing that has gotten softer is your head. and i don't mean the one on your shoulders.
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This year's Hoosiers are softer than last year's just like the press release says. Every year the Outlaws fight for softer tires. This year they finally got it.
Hoosiers are stuck harder than the Goodyears because they have a softer sidewall and construction, not the compound.
WIth the Goodyears we were starting to see people detune their motors and 410 racing was finally starting to head in the right direction for the first time in 15 years.
This year people will start knocking on track records again and engine bills will continue to run car owners out of the sport.
Screw around long enough and they will bring more substantial engine rules instead and I don't want to see that. It wasn't necessary for the late models. They just did away with the big barge boards and went to little tires. Clowns like you are what necessitate 360 racing instead.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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April 04, 2015 at
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ahhhh yes, bring back the sixties and run whatcha' brung...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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April 04, 2015 at
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They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
Dewease thinks the problem is easily solved. "The late models went through this years ago," Dewease said. "They had a big right rear and had all these wedges to put in the car, and it was too easy to go fast. We have the same problem. They went to a narrow tire and unhooked the cars and now, they have to race."
"That's what we need to do. The tires have gotten so good, that we need to go to a smaller tire." - Lance Dewease
It was an eye-opener to some when they compared the right rear tire of a late model to that of a sprint car (at the World Finals).
The right rear tire of the late model is considerably smaller in circumference and width. The late model also weighs twice as much as a sprint car, but yet, uses half the tire.
At one time the late models had wedge bodies and plexiglas wings and sideboards all over them and they also used a big soft floppy right rear tire. When they finally outlawed the wedge bodies and went to the harder and smaller tire, the racing arguably got a whole lot better. Those who have been advocating for smaller and harder tires for sprint cars say that something could be learned from the late models.
I've had an ongoing argument/debate with a couple of drivers who want to solely blame the racetrack when, on occasion, the racing isn't what we hope it would be. If it weren't for the late model race, where they were passing, I'm sure those guys would still say it was the fault of the racetrack and that it "was too fast" and not slick enough for the sprint cars. But the argument goes right out the window when the late models were able to pass and put on a good race on the same racetrack. - Brad Doty
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 04 2015 at 12:11:00 PM
"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
Dewease thinks the problem is easily solved. "The late models went through this years ago," Dewease said. "They had a big right rear and had all these wedges to put in the car, and it was too easy to go fast. We have the same problem. They went to a narrow tire and unhooked the cars and now, they have to race."
"That's what we need to do. The tires have gotten so good, that we need to go to a smaller tire." - Lance Dewease
It was an eye-opener to some when they compared the right rear tire of a late model to that of a sprint car (at the World Finals).
The right rear tire of the late model is considerably smaller in circumference and width. The late model also weighs twice as much as a sprint car, but yet, uses half the tire.
At one time the late models had wedge bodies and plexiglas wings and sideboards all over them and they also used a big soft floppy right rear tire. When they finally outlawed the wedge bodies and went to the harder and smaller tire, the racing arguably got a whole lot better. Those who have been advocating for smaller and harder tires for sprint cars say that something could be learned from the late models.
I've had an ongoing argument/debate with a couple of drivers who want to solely blame the racetrack when, on occasion, the racing isn't what we hope it would be. If it weren't for the late model race, where they were passing, I'm sure those guys would still say it was the fault of the racetrack and that it "was too fast" and not slick enough for the sprint cars. But the argument goes right out the window when the late models were able to pass and put on a good race on the same racetrack. - Brad Doty
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Then why don't you just go watch late models and stop bitching about sprint car racing.
I see great racing at Knoxville every Saturday night with these tires. That is due to outstanding track prep. When the same cars & tires put on a great show on some tracks and a poor one on others what is he difference. Track prep. Late model tires on a sprint car will still put on a crappy show on a crappy track!
The slower cars go the more they will run side by side. The 4 cylinder class around here runs 2 & 3 wide constantly during their races. Of course they are going about 45 mph. Is that great racing? Not to me.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 04 2015 at 11:23:46 AM
This year's Hoosiers are softer than last year's just like the press release says. Every year the Outlaws fight for softer tires. This year they finally got it.
Hoosiers are stuck harder than the Goodyears because they have a softer sidewall and construction, not the compound.
WIth the Goodyears we were starting to see people detune their motors and 410 racing was finally starting to head in the right direction for the first time in 15 years.
This year people will start knocking on track records again and engine bills will continue to run car owners out of the sport.
Screw around long enough and they will bring more substantial engine rules instead and I don't want to see that. It wasn't necessary for the late models. They just did away with the big barge boards and went to little tires. Clowns like you are what necessitate 360 racing instead.
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There is no press release that says this years tire is softer than last years. The 15 compound is harder than the 12 they ran last year.
The HR isnt so much softer as it is just a compound that works better on dusty tracks. Just like when they ran the D series compound and had an RD version. you can try to wiggle out of your BS by trying to change the subject to tire constuction but that doesnt chenge the fact that the tires are harder.
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on April 04 2015 at 04:37:11 PM
There is no press release that says this years tire is softer than last years. The 15 compound is harder than the 12 they ran last year.
The HR isnt so much softer as it is just a compound that works better on dusty tracks. Just like when they ran the D series compound and had an RD version. you can try to wiggle out of your BS by trying to change the subject to tire constuction but that doesnt chenge the fact that the tires are harder.
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They had to run a straight H15 last year Sherlock. The Outlaws went to a softer R tire this year just like the Hoosier press release says.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Yes, the outlaws really suck. Seven drivers within 50 points. It is so hard to decide whose bandwagon to jump on. 
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 04 2015 at 11:46:03 PM
They had to run a straight H15 last year Sherlock. The Outlaws went to a softer R tire this year just like the Hoosier press release says.
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it was just recently that they were running a 12 compound. if i was slightly off on the time frame it is irrelevant.
you keep throwing around the term "soft" like there is a great difference in the compound between an HR15 and and H15. there isn't. the difference in hardness is minimal. even the press release you tout uses the term "slightly softer H compound". it is still a 15 compound but just a little different make up that allows the tire to work better on dusty tracks.
the HR15 is still a harder compound than the goodyears that were run just a few years ago as well as the 12 compound hoosiers that were run in the recent past.
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on April 05 2015 at 03:36:37 PM
it was just recently that they were running a 12 compound. if i was slightly off on the time frame it is irrelevant.
you keep throwing around the term "soft" like there is a great difference in the compound between an HR15 and and H15. there isn't. the difference in hardness is minimal. even the press release you tout uses the term "slightly softer H compound". it is still a 15 compound but just a little different make up that allows the tire to work better on dusty tracks.
the HR15 is still a harder compound than the goodyears that were run just a few years ago as well as the 12 compound hoosiers that were run in the recent past.
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The Goodyears were specially designed and constructed with a stiff sidewall to unhook them. The 15 Hoosiers that replaced them were stuck harder and were immediately faster on a stop watch. The R 15 Hoosiers this year are faster yet. Hoosier can unhook them to the point that people have to detune their motors if mandated. 25 years ago outlaw late models ran sprint car tires. Now they run hard 11" tires.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 05 2015 at 06:44:33 PM
The Goodyears were specially designed and constructed with a stiff sidewall to unhook them. The 15 Hoosiers that replaced them were stuck harder and were immediately faster on a stop watch. The R 15 Hoosiers this year are faster yet. Hoosier can unhook them to the point that people have to detune their motors if mandated. 25 years ago outlaw late models ran sprint car tires. Now they run hard 11" tires.
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like i said the hoosiers are a harder compound.
you can ping pong your argument back and forth all you want between compound and constuction, it doesn't change that.
if you are going to argue softness based on a sidewall then the HR is no softer than the H because they use the same constuction.
there is one big difference between the hoosier and the goodyears, the goodyears failed because of the non ability to properly handle the sidewall flexing that is needed in a sprint car tire. especially the LR.
also the softer compound on the stiff sidewall tends to grate the rubber off the tire more as the sidewall is not deforming as much. that is why the goodyears wore the rubber off the tire more.
to indy and beyond!!
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on April 04 2015 at 04:37:11 PM
There is no press release that says this years tire is softer than last years. The 15 compound is harder than the 12 they ran last year.
The HR isnt so much softer as it is just a compound that works better on dusty tracks. Just like when they ran the D series compound and had an RD version. you can try to wiggle out of your BS by trying to change the subject to tire constuction but that doesnt chenge the fact that the tires are harder.
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The fact still remains you didn't even know that they have been running a 15 compound Hoosier for a couple of years. So your credibility is zilch. They have been running a track record 15 compound Hoosier. Rahmer, Lincoln, 2013... Wolfe, Port Royal, 2014... that was already way faster than the Goodyears before it, and now this year they are going to a softer and faster R15. Track record tires equate to car owners continuing to leave the sport. It is as simple as that. No one likes it but it really is as simple as that.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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