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Hey another quick question. I saw that Neitzel got to start shot gun on the field for the main. Did he get to use an "All Star provisional" or something?
Real race cars don't have fenders...
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Posted By: Backspacer on July 21 2013 at 09:51:46 AM
Bascically, the race was over after qualifying. With the All-Star format, the top 6 in qualifying who make it to the A-main directly from the heat are the 6 cars in the dash. Five All-Star guys and Moughan qualify in the top six, finish in the top 5 of their heats, and fill the dash. Meanwhile, IRA guys sweep the heat races and do not get a single car in the dash. If I were one of the locals and didn't finish in the top 6 in qualiying, I'd park it for the night and let the All Stars run their show with their 6 cars. I realize that all the locals have to do is qualify better, but like with the WoO, at least you can make up for qualifing poorly by racing hard in your heat race. If this were an IRA or WoO show, the IRA would've had at least 4 cars in the dash (or redraw).
It's great to have good cars like Blaney, Haud, Schaffer, Cap, Holtgraver, etc at the show, but if the All Stars are gonna bring 6 cars to the track and the IRA brings 30+ cars, the race should be held under IRA rules. It's obvious that the All Stars needs to have the IRA way more than the IRA needs the All Stars to put on a show at Wilmot. It's also obvious that there's plenty of people willing to pay $25 to see 5 or 6 extra cars added to an IRA program. So...
Maybe what the IRA should do for their Wilmot shows (or wherever) is charge $25 for admission, increase the purse to $4,000-to-win for that particular race, and then see who shows up to run with them. At least the show would be under their rules and the deck won't be stacked against their drivers after qualifying is over. The Richert Memorial at Cedar Lake is a perfect example of that. It costs more than the average IRA show for admission, but it's $5000-to-win, and they always get a bunch of good cars above and beyond what the IRA brings to the track.
After 2 years in a row of watching the IRA cars get stuck starting behind the All Star guys because of the All Star format, I think it's okay to tell their series to find a different place to go. The All Stars do a good job of protecting their guys, so the IRA should do the same for their guys by not co-sanctioning an event that their drivers get handicapped in. Rant over.
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the IRA is a joke and you think they should charge $25? They charge $20 now which is aweful. one of the reasons I don't go is because of the price you pay for a terrible ffield of cars and drivers. Only reason I went to Oshkosh was because the owner gave me free tickets. The IRA should charge about $12 to see that garbage.
If these IRA "stars" can't qualify better at their home track, screw em. This was an AllStar show with IRA in support. And no f'n way will there ever be 4 IRA guys in a WoO dash. Great idea! Kill the series even earlier.
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Posted By: Sir Dick Danger!!! on July 21 2013 at 10:31:03 AM
the IRA is a joke and you think they should charge $25? They charge $20 now which is aweful. one of the reasons I don't go is because of the price you pay for a terrible ffield of cars and drivers. Only reason I went to Oshkosh was because the owner gave me free tickets. The IRA should charge about $12 to see that garbage.
If these IRA "stars" can't qualify better at their home track, screw em. This was an AllStar show with IRA in support. And no f'n way will there ever be 4 IRA guys in a WoO dash. Great idea! Kill the series even earlier.
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There is that annoying insect buzzing noise again.......
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Posted By: Stealth87 on July 21 2013 at 09:55:43 AM
Hey another quick question. I saw that Neitzel got to start shot gun on the field for the main. Did he get to use an "All Star provisional" or something?
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I asked Joe Roe after the show and he didn't even know that happened. I questioned it at the time also, it was easy to see as when they were doing the four abreast, there was one car by itself, Neitzel....
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Posted By: maddog53 on July 21 2013 at 10:59:04 AM
I asked Joe Roe after the show and he didn't even know that happened. I questioned it at the time also, it was easy to see as when they were doing the four abreast, there was one car by itself, Neitzel....
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Right from Neitzel's facebook page ..
Makes sense to me.
In the B-Main, the 22 spun as Neitzel passed him, but kept going. The All-Star rules say No yellow for a 360. IRA rules are different. The 22 was put back in front of Scotty and he finished 5th. Officials came and told Neitzel that they would put both him and the 22 in the A and start 25 cars.
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July 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: wingdance on July 21 2013 at 11:11:44 AM
Right from Neitzel's facebook page ..
Makes sense to me.
In the B-Main, the 22 spun as Neitzel passed him, but kept going. The All-Star rules say No yellow for a 360. IRA rules are different. The 22 was put back in front of Scotty and he finished 5th. Officials came and told Neitzel that they would put both him and the 22 in the A and start 25 cars.
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Got it, thanks. That situation showed a definate flaw in having two sanctioning bodies combined. All Stars say no yellow, but it was instantly thrown, so that explanation makes sense out of it all.
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Posted By: Backspacer on July 21 2013 at 09:51:46 AM
Bascically, the race was over after qualifying. With the All-Star format, the top 6 in qualifying who make it to the A-main directly from the heat are the 6 cars in the dash. Five All-Star guys and Moughan qualify in the top six, finish in the top 5 of their heats, and fill the dash. Meanwhile, IRA guys sweep the heat races and do not get a single car in the dash. If I were one of the locals and didn't finish in the top 6 in qualiying, I'd park it for the night and let the All Stars run their show with their 6 cars. I realize that all the locals have to do is qualify better, but like with the WoO, at least you can make up for qualifing poorly by racing hard in your heat race. If this were an IRA or WoO show, the IRA would've had at least 4 cars in the dash (or redraw).
It's great to have good cars like Blaney, Haud, Schaffer, Cap, Holtgraver, etc at the show, but if the All Stars are gonna bring 6 cars to the track and the IRA brings 30+ cars, the race should be held under IRA rules. It's obvious that the All Stars needs to have the IRA way more than the IRA needs the All Stars to put on a show at Wilmot. It's also obvious that there's plenty of people willing to pay $25 to see 5 or 6 extra cars added to an IRA program. So...
Maybe what the IRA should do for their Wilmot shows (or wherever) is charge $25 for admission, increase the purse to $4,000-to-win for that particular race, and then see who shows up to run with them. At least the show would be under their rules and the deck won't be stacked against their drivers after qualifying is over. The Richert Memorial at Cedar Lake is a perfect example of that. It costs more than the average IRA show for admission, but it's $5000-to-win, and they always get a bunch of good cars above and beyond what the IRA brings to the track.
After 2 years in a row of watching the IRA cars get stuck starting behind the All Star guys because of the All Star format, I think it's okay to tell their series to find a different place to go. The All Stars do a good job of protecting their guys, so the IRA should do the same for their guys by not co-sanctioning an event that their drivers get handicapped in. Rant over.
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good point. I didn't fully understand the method they use for the dash lineup, now I do. you're absolutely right, how can you not have heat race winners in the dash?!
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Posted By: Stealth87 on July 21 2013 at 08:42:58 AM
The IRA updates had an 83 in 2nd and an 83s in 8th. Assumed Sexton was 2nd and Schaffer in 8th. Thanks for the clarification! Sounds like a great show. Disappointed I couldn't make it. What happened to Haud?
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actually it was the opposite. Schaeffer in 2nd. Haud, Blaney, & Schaeffer were battling for the lead through lapped traffic in the middle portion of the race, Haud spun in to the infield on the frontstretch & didn't make it back out. seemed like something may have broke.
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Posted By: maddog53 on July 21 2013 at 07:40:16 AM
It was great weather, track was in superb shape. It rubbered up a little but with the heat we have had, all in all a great job on the racing surface. A little bermy in 1 and 2 but they took care of that with the grader before the A. Blaney took the A with Shaffer, Holtgraver and Balog rounding out the top 4. Kertscher did a slide job on himself and took himself out while running a very good 4th. Don't know what happened there. I would have liked to see what he had the rest of the way, but.....41 cars qualified. Great night.
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it WAS a great night. I was so bummed when Kertscher spun. he was the only IRA guy (at that point) that had a shot at the win IMO. towards the end of the A main Balog had a busted front wing that kept him from really being able to gas it coming out of the turns, otherwise I'm sure he would have been able to challenge Blaney & Schaeffer. the track was in the best shape I've ever seen it, obviously they had been watering it in the days prior. bringing out the blade was a great idea, that place definitely gets lumpy as the night wears on.
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Not beating anyone up hear the heats invert 6 not 4 like the outlaws so that being said all the cars that started in the front row of the heats races would have been the third row of the heats at a outlaw race so would they made the dash then . After looking at heat results it looks like the dash would have been damn near what it was if you use the outlaw format just saying
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Posted By: Sir Dick Danger!!! on July 21 2013 at 10:31:03 AM
the IRA is a joke and you think they should charge $25? They charge $20 now which is aweful. one of the reasons I don't go is because of the price you pay for a terrible ffield of cars and drivers. Only reason I went to Oshkosh was because the owner gave me free tickets. The IRA should charge about $12 to see that garbage.
If these IRA "stars" can't qualify better at their home track, screw em. This was an AllStar show with IRA in support. And no f'n way will there ever be 4 IRA guys in a WoO dash. Great idea! Kill the series even earlier.
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well said sir danger there are no stars in the ira just one that cheats to make him look good i also do not go to ira shows but love to watch real drivers like the ones that race with the allstars wouldnt pay 5 bucks to see the horrible series steve sinclaire runs the balog traction control series i mean the ira also balog ran caleb helms off the track towards the end of the feture hes so good he has to run people off the track to pass them but all u balog fags keep cheering for someone who cheats and still dont have the stones to travel i was flipping balog the bird after the race if u seen it thats who i am i aint no pussy i say it how it is
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Posted By: Sir Dick Danger!!! on July 21 2013 at 10:31:03 AM
the IRA is a joke and you think they should charge $25? They charge $20 now which is aweful. one of the reasons I don't go is because of the price you pay for a terrible ffield of cars and drivers. Only reason I went to Oshkosh was because the owner gave me free tickets. The IRA should charge about $12 to see that garbage.
If these IRA "stars" can't qualify better at their home track, screw em. This was an AllStar show with IRA in support. And no f'n way will there ever be 4 IRA guys in a WoO dash. Great idea! Kill the series even earlier.
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well said sir danger there are no stars in the ira just one that cheats to make him look good i also do not go to ira shows but love to watch real drivers like the ones that race with the allstars wouldnt pay 5 bucks to see the horrible series steve sinclaire runs the balog traction control series i mean the ira also balog ran caleb helms off the track towards the end of the feture hes so good he has to run people off the track to pass them but all u balog fags keep cheering for someone who cheats and still dont have the stones to travel i was flipping balog the bird after the race if u seen it thats who i am i aint no pussy i say it how it is
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Posted By: sprintflyer on July 21 2013 at 07:10:02 PM
well said sir danger there are no stars in the ira just one that cheats to make him look good i also do not go to ira shows but love to watch real drivers like the ones that race with the allstars wouldnt pay 5 bucks to see the horrible series steve sinclaire runs the balog traction control series i mean the ira also balog ran caleb helms off the track towards the end of the feture hes so good he has to run people off the track to pass them but all u balog fags keep cheering for someone who cheats and still dont have the stones to travel i was flipping balog the bird after the race if u seen it thats who i am i aint no pussy i say it how it is
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Can someone translate this to english please?
"They'll learn."
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Posted By: larryitis on July 21 2013 at 11:51:37 AM
actually it was the opposite. Schaeffer in 2nd. Haud, Blaney, & Schaeffer were battling for the lead through lapped traffic in the middle portion of the race, Haud spun in to the infield on the frontstretch & didn't make it back out. seemed like something may have broke.
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Haud changed a front end after the race. The left front got pushed back and the torsion arm dropped off. Infield tire maybe?
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Posted By: butch s on July 21 2013 at 03:09:43 PM
Not beating anyone up hear the heats invert 6 not 4 like the outlaws so that being said all the cars that started in the front row of the heats races would have been the third row of the heats at a outlaw race so would they made the dash then . After looking at heat results it looks like the dash would have been damn near what it was if you use the outlaw format just saying
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...except for the All-Star dash has 6 cars, and the WoO dash and IRA redraw both involve 10 cars. Do a 10 car dash or redraw and who knows where everyone would've started? I do know for sure that there would've been at least 4 locals in the mix in a 10 car dash because the All Stars only had 6 cars there to begin with. The problem with the All Star formula is there is no incentive for any car to do any more than to just get into a transfer spot. At least with a 10 car dash with 6 fastest cars and 4 heat winners, you'll have guys racing hard not only to transfer, but to win also.
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Posted By: SmokinJoe on July 21 2013 at 07:50:00 PM
Haud changed a front end after the race. The left front got pushed back and the torsion arm dropped off. Infield tire maybe?
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yes haud caught the tire in turn 4 to bad he was making it very intersting but all in all good race need this race somewhere else tho but at least they seem to have figured out track prep thats a plus
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Posted By: sprintflyer on July 21 2013 at 07:10:02 PM
well said sir danger there are no stars in the ira just one that cheats to make him look good i also do not go to ira shows but love to watch real drivers like the ones that race with the allstars wouldnt pay 5 bucks to see the horrible series steve sinclaire runs the balog traction control series i mean the ira also balog ran caleb helms off the track towards the end of the feture hes so good he has to run people off the track to pass them but all u balog fags keep cheering for someone who cheats and still dont have the stones to travel i was flipping balog the bird after the race if u seen it thats who i am i aint no pussy i say it how it is
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Sprintflyer. Sounds like you need an Anger Management class. You must be out of breath running off like that. Maybe a little upset summer vacation is over and grade school starts soon? When you were flipping the bird I thought you were making a pass at someone. You may not go to IRA races (like you claim) but you sure do follow it don't you?
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Posted By: Backspacer on July 21 2013 at 07:23:49 PM
Can someone translate this to english please?
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That is as good as it is gonna get. It is an annoying buzz like a mosquito. They are all related to each other, one more ignorant than the other.. I keep saying that it makes for comical reading, that someone so ignorant is still alive and can take of themselves. Wait, they live in their Mom's basement so I take that back.... It's funny how the dope says he can't stand the IRA and won't pay 25 bucks, but then the dumbass says he was there and was flipping off Balog after the race. Brains? I think not. And Sprintflyer, you are a pussy.....
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Posted By: SmokinJoe on July 21 2013 at 07:50:00 PM
Haud changed a front end after the race. The left front got pushed back and the torsion arm dropped off. Infield tire maybe?
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Possible Joe, but from what I saw and remember, he was coming out of 4 and just turned hard left, I don't think he was close to the tire. That's what I remember seeing.
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backspacer the deal is if it was changed to that then people would find something wrong with it and bitch about it to there is no perfect way to do a race format no matter what it is people will bitch instead of enjoying a good night of racing. speedweek in ohio alot of times you have someone 9th or 10th quick in the dash not the fastest 6. you still got to make it out of the heat race and sometimes thats not easy ask blaney shaffer henry holtgraver helms they will tell you that
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